Portal needs next year

[Psugo823]

1. Wide Receiver, think another Tinsley maybe even a bit better if possible.
2. Linebacker, need a compliment to 11 with 23 possibly leaving.
3. Offensive Line. Maybe another like Nourzad?
4. Defensive Line interior, would love to see a pickup similar to 54 from last year.
5. Running back. Can we do better than Lovett?

 

[Texas Lion]

1. Wide Receiver, think another Tinsley maybe even a bit better if possible.
2. Linebacker, need a compliment to 11 with 23 possibly leaving.
3. Offensive Line. Maybe another like Nourzad?
4. Defensive Line interior, would love to see a pickup similar to 54 from last year.
5. Running back. Can we do better than Lovett?

1. Big time need, someone that can run by the DB and win 50-50 balls. Think of Justin Shorter and Juwan Johnson and if they were actually good.
2. Need to start playing LB's at the position they fit, not what we need. Hopefully Jacobs comes back.
3. Hard to portal for depth, people seem to want to be the man if they leave. Our top 5 has the chance to be very good. Not sure a portal can come in and replace them.
4. Yes, a Tangelo look alike would be great.
5. This is where it is gonna be tough. What older, upperclass RB would want to come join the team and sit behind the two freshman. I think I'd rather take a chance here at a high school kid that might be able to develop.

 

[ND Heaven68]

But keep in mind, many of the portal players are there because - for the most part - they couldn't get on the field or cut it at their previous schools. If you look at the top teams - Georgia, OSU, Alabama - they might take one, maybe two a year and those are the portal players that everyone is after.

In fact, I read that Georgia didn't take any portal players the last couple of years - relying on their recruiting and development. And the way PSU recruits, why would they look at players that couldn't cut it at other schools?

 

[Texas Lion]

But keep in mind, many of the portal players are there because - for the most part - they couldn't get on the field or cut it at their previous schools. If you look at the top teams - Georgia, OSU, Alabama - they might take one, maybe two a year and those are the portal players that everyone is after.

In fact, I read that Georgia didn't take any portal players the last couple of years - relying on their recruiting and development. And the way PSU recruits, why would they look at players that couldn't cut it at other schools?

pretty much have to find a WR that is #2 at his school and thinks they can be a 1 elsewhere. I agree with most of what you said but believe that Penn State has done a good job at finding needs and not just opening up the doors like a Michigan State.

 

[ND Heaven68]

pretty much have to find a WR that is #2 at his school and thinks they can be a 1 elsewhere. I agree with most of what you said but believe that Penn State has done a good job at finding needs and not just opening up the doors like a Michigan State.

Yeah, that MSU portal situation was beyond ridiculous. How did that work out for the $95 million man ?

 

[Online Persona]

1. Wide Receiver, think another Tinsley maybe even a bit better if possible.
2. Linebacker, need a compliment to 11 with 23 possibly leaving.
3. Offensive Line. Maybe another like Nourzad?
4. Defensive Line interior, would love to see a pickup similar to 54 from last year.
5. Running back. Can we do better than Lovett?

1. Absolutely but I do think Washington returns and at least one young WR currently on the roster steps up. The portal WR is still needed.

2. Jacobs will go undrafted if he leaves early. Why do people keep bringing this up? In the most thorough draft evals I have seen, he isn't in the top 500 draft eligible players which means he wouldn't get selected in round 14 of a fictional draft.

Hopefully Jacobs learns from brooks who just left early last year, went undrafted, then got cut before the season even started.

3. I think an experienced OT may be helpful even if Fashanu surprises us and comes back.

4. DT would be amazing but it is rare to find the quality we need in the portal. Maybe one of ATMs 5 star NIL buys defects? Maybe a starter from a team firing their coach? Probably won't happen at this position IMO.

5. I'd be fine with Lovett as insurance. But I'm also fine with adding another inbound freshman RB.

 

[Online Persona]

Yeah, that MSU portal situation was beyond ridiculous. How did that work out for the $95 million man ?

Good enough to get paid. It was a flash in the pan. But the guy is set for life now.

 

[WIP2001]

pretty much have to find a WR that is #2 at his school and thinks they can be a 1 elsewhere. I agree with most of what you said but believe that Penn State has done a good job at finding needs and not just opening up the doors like a Michigan State.

That’s one of many reasons a potential WR1 might transfer
- NIL$
- tired of playing in a crap offense (Charlie Jones) or having had a bad experience (Chop)
- NIL$
- moving from G5 to P5
- NIL$
- wanting to be close to hime
- NIL$

 

[Psugo823]

But keep in mind, many of the portal players are there because - for the most part - they couldn't get on the field or cut it at their previous schools. If you look at the top teams - Georgia, OSU, Alabama - they might take one, maybe two a year and those are the portal players that everyone is after.

In fact, I read that Georgia didn't take any portal players the last couple of years - relying on their recruiting and development. And the way PSU recruits, why would they look at players that couldn't cut it at other schools?

This is simply untrue. Not all portal players are in the portal because they "couldn't cut it"..Ask USC about the portal wide receiver they got from pitt. He most definitely could "cut it."

 

[Psugo823]

Yeah, that MSU portal situation was beyond ridiculous. How did that work out for the $95 million man ?

I posted 5 needs/wants. Not 20. Get real.

 

[ND Heaven68]

This is simply untrue. Not all portal players are in the portal because they "couldn't cut it"..Ask USC about the portal wide receiver they got from pitt. He most definitely could "cut it."

I didn't say "all" - I said many which is true. Yes, there are a few gems but most of the major football powers gobble them up (like Lincoln Riley and USC). The most sure fire way to build a powerful roster is still through recruiting and player development

 

[lazydave841]

The biggest question is "how many starter types test the portal for NIL and championship chances?"

Addison was probably the best known entity from last year. He's probably worth 1-2 wins for USC this year. Imagine if he went to Bama, UGA, hell, Penn State what impact he would have had.

If it's similar players to years past, you gotta fill need based on quality willing to come and #s available. If it becomes wide open, watch out. One crop leaves for winter which opens up another for summer.

 

[GregInPitt]

1. Wide Receiver, think another Tinsley maybe even a bit better if possible.
2. Linebacker, need a compliment to 11 with 23 possibly leaving.
3. Offensive Line. Maybe another like Nourzad?
4. Defensive Line interior, would love to see a pickup similar to 54 from last year.
5. Running back. Can we do better than Lovett?

1. See below
2. With the young lb’s on the PSU roster making progress and Rojas and Robinson coming in I’d be surprised to see a lb from the portal.
3. Can always use OL help, but if those that can return do so, along with the 2 top interior recruits, the only real need would be for an OT which are hard to find.
4. DT will be a position of strength next season with or without a transfer.
5. Coming to PSU with #10 and #13 ahead of them I doubt PSU can attract a RB better than Lovett. But hopefully Seider can find a backup that wants a PSU degree, wants to enjoy games with 107k, and possibly find a State College wife.

With so many players that could contribute having to decide to go or try and stay, and a 20+ player incoming class, it will be an interesting December and January, and into Spring, as the roster shakes out….

that might be able to develop.

pretty much have to find a WR that is #2 at his school and thinks they can be a 1 elsewhere. I agree with most of what you said but believe that Penn State has done a good job at finding needs and not just opening up the doors like a Michigan State.

I just rewatched the Maryland game. What about #1 and #2 WR’s both from Maryland? Jarret and Copeland? They both look better than anyone on the PSU roster, have decent size, have no one to throw it to them, probably were recruited by PSU out of high school, and might like playing for a team that would have a chance to win the B10 (and doesn’t have to get pounded by psu yearly).

 

[GregInPitt]

This is simply untrue. Not all portal players are in the portal because they "couldn't cut it"..Ask USC about the portal wide receiver they got from pitt. He most definitely could "cut it."

Chop also “cuts it” pretty well at PSU. When he’s 10 lbs of muscle bigger next year he’ll be cutting it even better…..

 

[lazydave841]

WR’s both from Maryland? Jarret

Best I remember, we were in a final 3 (or 5) for Jarrett with Maryland and OSU. He would be a great snag, but couldn't he also declare for NFL?

 

[Texas Lion]

1. See below
2. With the young lb’s on the PSU roster making progress and Rojas and Robinson coming in I’d be surprised to see a lb from the portal.
3. Can always use OL help, but if those that can return do so, along with the 2 top interior recruits, the only real need would be for an OT which are hard to find.
4. DT will be a position of strength next season with or without a transfer.
5. Coming to PSU with #10 and #13 ahead of them I doubt PSU can attract a RB better than Lovett. But hopefully Seider can find a backup that wants a PSU degree, wants to enjoy games with 107k, and possibly find a State College wife.

With so many players that could contribute having to decide to go or try and stay, and a 20+ player incoming class, it will be an interesting December and January, and into Spring, as the roster shakes out….



I just rewatched the Maryland game. What about #1 and #2 WR’s both from Maryland? Jarret and Copeland? They both look better than anyone on the PSU roster, have decent size, have no one to throw it to them, probably were recruited by PSU out of high school, and might like playing for a team that would have a chance to win the B10 (and doesn’t have to get pounded by psu yearly).

Jarrett would be an incredible portal pick up. I would just have to think that someone sees Allar and wants a part of it.

 

[Online Persona]

1. See below
2. With the young lb’s on the PSU roster making progress and Rojas and Robinson coming in I’d be surprised to see a lb from the portal.
3. Can always use OL help, but if those that can return do so, along with the 2 top interior recruits, the only real need would be for an OT which are hard to find.
4. DT will be a position of strength next season with or without a transfer.
5. Coming to PSU with #10 and #13 ahead of them I doubt PSU can attract a RB better than Lovett. But hopefully Seider can find a backup that wants a PSU degree, wants to enjoy games with 107k, and possibly find a State College wife.

With so many players that could contribute having to decide to go or try and stay, and a 20+ player incoming class, it will be an interesting December and January, and into Spring, as the roster shakes out….



I just rewatched the Maryland game. What about #1 and #2 WR’s both from Maryland? Jarret and Copeland? They both look better than anyone on the PSU roster, have decent size, have no one to throw it to them, probably were recruited by PSU out of high school, and might like playing for a team that would have a chance to win the B10 (and doesn’t have to get pounded by psu yearly).

Interesting thought on Jarret in particular. Here's the thing, would his interest be peaked with Allar throwing to him? That might be something that sways receivers.

2 other in conference options that would be nice:

Keon Coleman Soph Michigan St 6-4 210

Trey Palmer Jr Nebraska 6-1 190

2 out of conference that would be nice:

Malachi Corley Soph WKU 5-11 210 (1052 yards receiving so far)

Ali Jennings Jr Old Dominion 6-2 196 (959 yards receiving so far)

Edit: Hearing that PSU may be interested in WVU WR Prather, Soph, 6-4 211 (487 yards) assuming their staff turns over. I'd kick the tires on WR Ford-Wheaton, Jr, 6-3 224 (653 yards) as well. WVU has a 6'5" soph DT Martin with 4 sacks as well

 

[GregInPitt]

Jarrett would be an incredible portal pick up. I would just have to think that someone sees Allar and wants a part of it.

Don’t know if the NFL is in his plans after this season, but if he does consider transferring one would believe that Chop would hound him pretty hard about PSU.

 

[LMTLION]

1. Wide Receiver, think another Tinsley maybe even a bit better if possible.
2. Linebacker, need a compliment to 11 with 23 possibly leaving.
3. Offensive Line. Maybe another like Nourzad?
4. Defensive Line interior, would love to see a pickup similar to 54 from last year.
5. Running back. Can we do better than Lovett?

We desperately need a tall receiver who does well with 50-50 jump balls. If we can legitimately stretch the field, Singleton and Allen will both be over 7 ypc next year and this will be a 1994 level offense. I am cautiously optimistic about the oline. I agree that we need a plug in the middle of the d-line. I am curious why the need for an rb. Is Lee done? Is Holzworth not a legit #3? He looked ok vs md late in the game.

 

[lazydave841]

We desperately need a tall receiver who does well with 50-50 jump balls. If we can legitimately stretch the field, Singleton and Allen will both be over 7 ypc next year and this will be a 1994 level offense. I am cautiously optimistic about the oline. I agree that we need a plug in the middle of the d-line. I am curious why the need for an rb. Is Lee done? Is Holzworth not a legit #3? He looked ok vs md late in the game.

RB depth. Lee is unknown, but a real possibility he portals out. Smith and Holzworth are fine for walk on, but if the bug rears it's head, is that who you want in the back field? Montgomery likely won't be 100% and probably sees the Hamler recovery path. Staff still trying to get another RB in the class of '23.

 

[tlbakernc]

Think WR is at the top of the list. OL is a close second. We seem to have goo young depth everywhere else.

 

[PSU210]

1. Wide Receiver, think another Tinsley maybe even a bit better if possible.
2. Linebacker, need a compliment to 11 with 23 possibly leaving.
3. Offensive Line. Maybe another like Nourzad?
4. Defensive Line interior, would love to see a pickup similar to 54 from last year.
5. Running back. Can we do better than Lovett?

In terms of the DL interior, we may be as deep as we ever have been if we can keep everyone.
I would imagine Beamon and Izzard to start, Ellies and Durant and then van den Berg with Artis.
Pretty good depth there. van den Berg has gotten PT as a freshman and Artis, while a project, is huge.

 

[PSU Soupy]

We need another thumper in the middle of the D line and a WR1.

Jacobs had to be staying, Parker probably now staying.

 

[KC-KS-Lion]

Good enough to get paid. It was a flash in the pan. But the guy is set for life now.

In college football, like most big businesses, if you do it once, others think you can do it again...in most any environment. MSU can be a challenging environment, especially year after year.

 

[Texas Lion]

Would really love an “unfinished business” tweet with a pic of parker, Jacobs, and olu.

 

[Psugo823]

Would really love an “unfinished business” tweet with a pic of parker, Jacobs, and olu.

This is what I'm looking for also: A break in this current trend of all these guys leaving early, and a commitment to achieving a Big Ten Championship.

 

[PSU20]

This is simply untrue. Not all portal players are in the portal because they "couldn't cut it"..Ask USC about the portal wide receiver they got from pitt. He most definitely could "cut it."

Agree....Think Juan Johnson who bolted for Oregon and now in the NFL. Same for the DB that left for Texas Tech and drafted in the NFL. And, to some extent Justin Shorter who just had 8 catches last week with Florida.

 

[bourbon n blues]

RB depth. Lee is unknown, but a real possibility he portals out. Smith and Holzworth are fine for walk on, but if the bug rears it's head, is that who you want in the back field? Montgomery likely won't be 100% and probably sees the Hamler recovery path. Staff still trying to get another RB in the class of '23.

Yeah, 1994 isn't something we are going to see again anytime soon. I think every offensive starter was drafted along with a few backups.

 

[Texas Lion]

This is what I'm looking for also: A break in this current trend of all these guys leaving early, and a commitment to achieving a Big Ten Championship.

Just once the break we need to make it happen.....2020 we lost Journey and Micah in a matter of weeks. 2021 there was word the whole season about all the opt outs which turned true. Just once I want all the star to align.

 

[Online Persona]

Agree....Think Juan Johnson who bolted for Oregon and now in the NFL. Same for the DB that left for Texas Tech and drafted in the NFL. And, to some extent Justin Shorter who just had 8 catches last week with Florida.

And then there are the Joe Burrow Heisman winner #1 NFL picks and Jameson Williams 1st team AA #12 NFL draft picks riding the pine at Ohio St who just need a team to give them an opportunity.

 

[Psugo823]

Just once the break we need to make it happen.....2020 we lost Journey and Micah in a matter of weeks. 2021 there was word the whole season about all the opt outs which turned true. Just once I want all the star to align.

You don't need 1994 to happen again in order to make the cfp. You need to put a team on the field that doesn't have a weakness. Each PSU team has had a weakness so far, even 2016. We ARE getting closer though and if only we could keep everyone other than JPJ, we will have a shot...but as long as everyone else who can leave, does. ...see that's the problem

 

[GregInPitt]

You don't need 1994 to happen again in order to make the cfp. You need to put a team on the field that doesn't have a weakness. Each PSU team has had a weakness so far, even 2016. We ARE getting closer though and if only we could keep everyone other than JPJ, we will have a shot...but as long as everyone else who can leave, does. ...see that's the problem

In the current environment of 3 and out together with the portal, bringing in impact players is even more important. If the 2023 class had the impact players that the 2022 had the team could withstand a couple players bolting. But right now that doesn’t seem to be the case, but who of us really know.

But that’s the recipe the playoff teams have going.

 

[KC-KS-Lion]

And then there are the Joe Burrow Heisman winner #1 NFL picks and Jameson Williams 1st team AA #12 NFL draft picks riding the pine at Ohio St who just need a team to give them an opportunity.

Football, at the college and even pro level, is a lot about getting the practice/game reps, fitting into a system, and getting good coaching, at least one or more of these.

 

[blair10]

1. Wide Receiver, think another Tinsley maybe even a bit better if possible.
2. Linebacker, need a compliment to 11 with 23 possibly leaving.
3. Offensive Line. Maybe another like Nourzad?
4. Defensive Line interior, would love to see a pickup similar to 54 from last year.
5. Running back. Can we do better than Lovett?

PSU needs “difference makers”. Tinsley and Nourzad are just o.k and do not improve our chances to beat OSU and Michigan. Lovett was a bust.

PSU needs more players like Arnold Ebiketie who was a “difference maker” and the best Portal player PSU has selected so far.

The intent of using the Portal is to get players who will improve the team, not stabilize the current situation by getting average players.

 

[Online Persona]

PSU needs “difference makers”. Tinsley and Nourzad are just o.k and do not improve our chances to beat OSU and Michigan. Lovett was a bust.

PSU needs more players like Arnold Ebiketie who was a “difference maker” and the best Portal player PSU has selected so far.

The intent of using the Portal is to get players who will improve the team, not stabilize the current situation by getting average players.

We would not be as good without Tinsley and Nourzad even if they aren't all Americans.

 

[blair10]

We would not be as good without Tinsley and Nourzad even if they aren't all Americans.

Look, I am not minimizing the contributions of Tinsley and Nourzad. I am just saying we need a higher level talent to have a chance of beating OSU and Michigan. Ebiketie is an example of a higher level talent. PSU needs more players on the Ebiketie level.

 

[NoBareFeet]

**** the transfer portal

 

[Psugo823]

Look, I am not minimizing the contributions of Tinsley and Nourzad. I am just saying we need a higher level talent to have a chance of beating OSU and Michigan. Ebiketie is an example of a higher level talent. PSU needs more players on the Ebiketie level.

You use the portal to get better. We did that this year. We did not do that last year. Regardless of how well Ebiketie played, we were not significantly better. This year the players we brought in made us better. Wins and losses is how "better" is defined.

If we can just BRING BACK all of our guys next year outside of obviously JPJ, AND get better in the portal, then we have a chance to jump levels.

 

[Wallace Breen]

First things first, we need a quarterback. Allar is obviously the future but we need a backup and CV will likely portal leaving Pribula. check that, we need two QBs in case the kid from Iowa decommits. We can't go into the season with Pribula as the backup.

Second, we need a running back given the likelihood of Lee hitting the portal and I am just operating under the assumption that some team out there will lure Singleton or Allen with a NIL deal.

Third, we need receivers, plural. Given that we went to a two tight end set despite both MY and Franklin's stated and demonstrated dislike for 12 personnel and strong preference for 11, it is safe to say that everyone beyond 5 and 3 are not getting it done, and 3 is likely gone.

Defensive linemen. We are good to go at the 7/9 technique but need 1s, 3s and 5s.

Offensive linemen. We need more players suited to the gap scheme we run. Rutgers did a pretty good job of exposing the backups.

 

[lazydave841]

PSU needs more players like Arnold Ebiketie who was a “difference maker” and the best Portal player PSU has selected so far.

Nobody knew AK was going to become a pass rushing force and turn into a 2nd rd pick. The broad consensus was "why are we taking a former 2* DE from Temple with poor stats?"

He's actually a great example of mining the portal and further developing him.

Even a guy like Jameson Williams had to cause some pull back. OSU, WR U, and he can't get on the field? Until Bama took him, many were very skeptical of him.

The best LT prospect from last year, the Frazier kid, ended up playing G at LSU (who started 2 true freshman at the T spots I believe).

This year will be interesting. How many legit starters test the waters for NIL, championship aspirations?