Many have said, even if a trial and acquittal most of the public will say "it was all on technicalities" at this point there probably aren't 10 people who will have there minds changed either way.
Press Release from PS4RS on ruling in C/S/S case
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You COULD hear a lot in CSS (not as much now, that it's down to the EWC only)
But, even at that, just as one "for instance", the entire deal with the 2nd Mile folks comes under review:
What did C tell them? Who did he talk to? What did THEY do with the info?
That can all be brought in on defending EWC - and that could go deep into many of the things that are currently buried in the Kremlin
Based on past history, WILL those avenues be obstructed? Who knows? But it would take an awfully, blatantly corrupt Bench to do so
Will CSS travel down that route? If they are on trial - they damn well should...... But we will see - IF there ever is a trial
There could be a lot brought out - - - - but there are still a lot of steps to go, to even get to that point
I'm hopeful - - - I'm not optimistic
Especially i might add in the great state of Pennsylvania who it appears has been protecting their own in this case for 5 years.
Don't we know that already. C will say he told JR of Horseplay and that they don't want JS around the facilities. JR will say we never thought he was a ped but if you want we'll tell him to wera swim trunks, and we know they didn't do anything. Now you and i might like some follow on questions like why didn't you follow up since these were your kids and he was your employee etc. etc and JR will just answer TC didn't tell him anything that warranted further follow up.[takes us back to did TC tell JR a watered down story] Sort of like when Dranov said he heard nothing that warranted a call to the police from MM. That didn't seem to affect any jurors opinion about anything.
I would love to see MM taken apart and Dranov taken apart and JR taken apart but I don't see that happening.
I don't know what Al Lord has been doing, but I recall reading several weeks ago, in reports posted here, that the University (read: the OGBOT) notified C/S/S that they would henceforth cease paying their legal bills. Which some thought might be a good strategy on their part, as it would ratchet up the financial pressure on C/S/S to accept a plea deal or otherwise fold their tent. I recall arguing that it would likely have the reverse effect, since it would likely piss them off, and also noting that the OGBOT was taking the substantial risk that C/S/S would ultimately be deemed entitled to the indemnity for their legal fees as officers of PSU acting in good faith, which would mean likely mean a punitive damage against the University for bad faith. The OGBOT taking risks with the University's (i.e., other people's) money. What a surprise.
LOL. Farther north. Bristol.
"As of Jan. 31 [2012], Penn State has spent more than $813,000 on university legal services and defense, according to its website. The university says an additional $338,545 has been spent on the legal defense of Graham Spanier, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz."
When did PSU stop paying Spanier, Curley, and Schultz's attorney's fees?
and yet none of that mattered. Hence the reason not to go to trial if it can be avoided
Oh I definitely agreed...no way the state can produce an biased jury at this point. I wouldn't take my chances on that even if I knew for sure I was innocent.
I'm actually very happy and optimistic by nature. I'm not mad at you. You are simply just not very bright (some would say stupid), and unfortunately there really isn't anything you can do about that.
Is the majority of the world stupid in your eyes for having the same opinion on Paterno's testimony as me?
Thanks for the kind words. I'm not back on a full time basis....just checking in as time permits. I had a birthday not long ago and, as I grow older, my bucket list gets longer. I'm working on some professional and personal goals right now that are taking up a lot of my time, but I do miss this board so I will stop by as often as I can.
I was just kidding w/ the oil change crack Fair. Heh. To make it up to you I created a Farrah shrine for you over on Tom's thread...
Joe should be cleared - in fact he never should have been in this sh!t storm in the first place
Wow - that's quite a statement there Jive.
That really kind of doubles down on "stupid" - it I really don't like using that word but ....just wow!
Those who insist a trial is a good thing are prepared to fight to the last ounce of Curley, Schultz and Spanier's blood. If and when the charges are dropped, I firmly believe that Tim Curley will clear the air. I feel that Graham has been very forthcoming despite the charges and will defend himself and the actions of his administrators vigorously.
I am curious what makes anyone think that the "truth" will come out in a Commonwealth Court? How much truth was revealed in the Sandusky Trial? By the state troopers? The crying janitor? The little boy in the shower known only to God?
This is a group of prosecutors who lied about the date of the incident to deal with a SOL issue. Let's not even turn the page to the ex post facto charges.
I doubt any of the internet heroes would be looking forward to clearing their names at a trial in this state and its Star Chamber Justice.
I am curious what makes anyone think that the "truth" will come out in a Commonwealth Court? How much truth was revealed in the Sandusky Trial? By the state troopers? The crying janitor? The little boy in the shower known only to God?
This is a group of prosecutors who lied about the date of the incident to deal with a SOL issue. Let's not even turn the page to the ex post facto charges.
I doubt any of the internet heroes would be looking forward to clearing their names at a trial in this state and its Star Chamber Justice.
I don't know for certain that they have. I DO know that there were reports posted to that effect on this Board roughly a month or so ago, and they looked pretty credible to me. We had a long thread discussing it, and my earlier post in this thread summarizes a couple of the issues that were discussed.
WRT the $338,545 reportedly spent on legal defense costs for C/S/S, through what date were those legal defense costs computed? That does not seem like a very large amount, given that there are three individuals involved and they each (obviously) have their own counsel.
Not a whole hell of a lot, huh? I'd love to post a poll where posters are put to a life/death - bullet/brain decision that is based on whether AF was actually abused by JS. Yes or No. Of course most would lie anyway.
That was five years ago.
And I would avoid drawing conclusions based on what you read on this board.
Here is my opinion based on working in public schools for 38 years. I am not equipped to, nor do I have access to the evidence (if any exists ) of AF's abuse.
According to my understanding, when AF informed school officials of his alleged abuse at the hands of JS, there was, shall we say, some who were skeptical? I am of the impression that perhaps there was a pattern of less than truthful and questionable behavior.
Now an adolescent certainly can earn a reputation as a "fibber" and still be a victim. Unfortunately, however, even as a high school student, at some point you can be the victim or beneficiary of your credibility.
The majority of the world is uniformed about the intricacies of this case and developed their view in the first few days based on a fictitious Grand Jury Presentment and a media with a 15 minute attention span that could not have cared less about what really happened once Joe Paterno's name was involved.
You on the other hand are stupid.
Agree. My recollection is that it was a news report that was linked here. But I do not recall it firmly enough to merit engaging in debate over it.
There is nothing fictitious about Paterno's testimony unless he committed perjury.
LOL
You back? Must be getting close to that time.......
And as uninformed / disingenuous / and self-serving as ever
Or maybe we can just summarize by saying the "dumb, lying bitch is back"
Ciao
Paterno's vague GJ testimony was read into the record over a month later at the 12/16/11 preliminary hearing. Thanks for proving my point goofus.
You're boring me. Beat it.
You're a university professor, right? And this is how you communicate? Are you proud of yourself for behaving this way? Do you teach your students to communicate in this manner? Do you think that maybe there's something wrong with you?LOL
You back? Must be getting close to that time.......
And as uninformed / disingenuous / and self-serving as ever
Or maybe we can just summarize by saying the "dumb, lying bitch is back"
Ciao
I hope you're tenured because you wouldn't last five minutes in the real world.
I would guess that you're struggling yourself!
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