PSU MBB got 10 votes in the new top 25.
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Wrong, the 9 votes last week was the Coaches Poll. This is the AP Poll and last week we got ZERO votes. Nice try though.
Wait, how does this go....
The MBB team doesn't come with their best stuff, but they find a way to make a huge comeback and win and all you do is complain? You'll never be happy.
5-0
Have you ever coached basketball? What level?
Chambers makes more than you do to coach Basketball.
Therefore, there can be no criticism or hint of negativity toward the staff, strategy, or players.
Please learn the rules* of the board. thank you
*What is unclear, is at what point you're allowed to begin discussing any shortcomings. We know it isn't 1 loss. We know it isn't after failing to make half time adjustments. We know it isn't after 5 years of getting out coached against similarly talented teams. Once the self-appointed speech dictators of the board provide some clarification, I'll be happy to provide an update.
The important point is the counter factual. What coach who we could have been able to hire would have done better? Be realistic. We had no program, no recruiting success, bad facilities, and no playoff history.
This is just so dumb. If Franklin had gone 8 years without making a bowl, I would say he would be wide open to criticism. And I didn’t read any posts in this thread that were critical of Chambers...one stated that they didn’t play well against Yale....I would say Chambers would agree with that.
Well, yeah, but we've only recently become a basketball school.
A lot higher percentage of teams make a bowl game than make the big dance. That is not a good comparison, fwiw
The fact is that Curley’s final two were Chambers and the HC of Duquesne. Chambers has elevated recruiting but failed on the court mostly.
I don’t think Chambers has done a great job. But the recruiting has been a big deal. Some of the high schools where he is landing guys would have basically laughed at us in previous times.
Nothing to do but let this season play out. If he fails to reach the tournament he is surely gone. But Right now he is on the verge of top 25 and on track for a decent seed
Eight years isn't enough time to warrant criticism of Chambers.
TRUST. THE. PROCESS.
5-0
Yes that really sucks, but previous PSU coaches have been only marginally better over similar spans.
So what are we supposed to do now, complain about the fact that he might have finally figured things out? In a week he may be in the top 25. The last time we were in the top 25 before B1G play began was 1995.
Eight years isn't enough time to warrant criticism of Chambers.
TRUST. THE. PROCESS.
I don't set the standard Bob.
As has been made blatantly clear, if you are undefeated - no matter the quality of play nor the opponent - there can be no hint of questioning anything about the coach or program. "What good does it do?"
If you make a lot of money, you cannot be questioned by people who have never coached at a high level.
FTR, I think its fine to raise concerns about Pat just as I think it's fine to raise questions about poor in game coaching on the football team.
Here's what I do find funny however.
If Franklin is a top coach and PSU a top FB program, shouldn't we be able to question the things that continue to prevent PSU from getting over the hump?
Conversely, the MBB team is NOT a top program and never has been. The bar is low. Chambers has recruited better than anyone in at least 25 years and the team looks more athletic and competitive than I can ever remember. They are 5-0, beat Georgetown, and came back from the dead(down 16 late) to win against Yale.
It's early, but the MBB team appears to be performing significantly above historical norms. Not saying it's a terrible thing, but the FB is not. Which of the two teams is more worthy of our ire? The one that is supposed a top team, but fails to win against evenly talented teams, or the one that is performing above historical norms?
If 7-0 makes the FB beyond question, the same people should be doing cartwheels for the MBB being 5-0.
Chambers has recruited better than anyone ever at PSU, and that is why long-time observers defend him.
We know what could be behind the next door.
We are talking about a school that within a five year span passed on Jay Wright to hang onto Jerry Dunn, and rejected Fran Dunphy to select Ed DeChellis. You literally could not make up a more pathetic string of events.
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You’re really going to puff up your chest about our men’s b-ball program? Really?
True, but they were better and the fans wanted to run them out of town. Hopefully we make the tourney this year, then we make it again in a few years. If Chambers is building something sustainable (like I keep reading) then it shouldn’t be another 8 years before we make the tournament again.
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You cannot be this dumb. Franklin has taken the football program higher than it’s been in 30 years...unreasonable expectations cannot be overcome. Chambers hasn’t matched DeChellis. Low expectations still aren’t met. Do you see the difference?
The problem is that Chambers should be coaching us to our 3rd straight NCAA tournament right now. The teams have been talented enough to get there. He has not gotten the job done on the court.
This is very different from our previous coaches, none of whom recruited teams talented enough to reach consecutive NCAA tournaments. The lone exception was the team that Jerry Dunn inherited; he should have made it to the tournament in both 1996 and 1997.
I do not agree that the previous coaches were better. They did very little. I would take Chambers over DeChellis and Dunn. Both were afraid to take on the big recruiting challenges in Phila. and DC
See, this is why people find you unbearably negative. It is a new season, we are off to a great start, and you choose to focus on the past and complain. We are fans, not the AD. Relax and give it a rest.
Yeah, it's kind of bizarre. But it always has been with this program. A subset of our fans literally hate its existence.
I meant to say they had better results, not that they were better. Both DeChellis and Dunn were not good, but since their results were better than Chambers, it’s hard to defend Pat.
I don't really agree that DeChellis did anything significantly better than Pat. The one-and-done NCAA appearance resulted from a final weekend BTT surge and was nothing more than that.
Dunn, yes.
I’m glad they’re 5-0, I hope they go 30-0. I’m not complaining....I’m just not ready to put them in the final four quite yet.
No, you don’t get it. Right now we’re 5-0; I’m not going to feel sorry and angry about past failures. I’m going to feel excited at this team’s potential. If YOU want to be a permanent downer for this season, be my guest. I couldn’t care less.
Well, we have no hope to win a conference championship or make a run at a final four. So our level of success has to be making the tournament...what else is there for a team of this caliber? DeChellis made it (regardless of how he did that)...Chambers has not. If you take over Indiana football your goal is to make a bowl, not win the NC. If one coach makes one bowl in five years and another makes zero in five years, coach number one has more success.
GTFO. NO ONE is saying that. Hell, no one is even putting them in the tourney yet (other than Lunardi and those guys). There is a ton of season left.
Nope, not a permanent downer. I think this could be a really good year. I’ve already told coworkers (who are UK fans) that PSU will make the tournament this year.
The point is that it has been very comparable so far.
Both won the NIT, DeChellis went to one NCAA tournament and lost to Temple in the first game. In the scheme of things it did nothing for our program, and he left the cupboard pretty bare. Slight edge to Ed in results. However, I look at our roster and we have players from Roman Catholic in Phila. and Gonzaga in DC. We have had multiple players from Roman. In the long run this is what will pay dividends for the program and allow us to sustain success. It is undeniable that Dunn and DeChellis had no clue where to even start when it came to recruiting those schools.
I was no fan of Ed's tenure at all. He never should have gotten anywhere near the job.
I'm sure that they would have taken a PSU v Yale ending over their Evansville fiasco (as much as some fans are bashing the program for an extremely close against Yale).
A close win makes the game wholly irrelevant. A close loss would have been really bad. It makes no sense but that is how it works.
I think our name brand improved a lot the last couple years from our footballs success and we've become a cool school again, that can't hurt
Does not hurt. But the biggest thing that has happened since Chambers arrived is that serious recruits actually consider coming here. It was not long ago that this never, ever occurred.
That means something has changed in terms of our reputation in the world of basketball coaches. For that, I would be willing to roll with Chambers if he can get to the tournament this year.
