Wow... it’s painful reading your dribble. We finally have a team that has the potential to be fun to watch. I’ve sat through a lot of games at the BJC hoping to have a team that I could get excited about. I think we just may have such a team. I’m growing tired of your constant belly aching about previous years. So far, this team has been fun to watch. Instead of laying a complete egg against Yale, they found a way to rally for a W. Most other years that would not have happened. If you want to continue to wallow in your misery... go for it!!! Time may prove me wrong but I think this team has the potential to be really good... hopefully a top 25 team that not only makes the tourney... but also makes a nice tourney run. Until I see something else, I am going to stay positive and ignore your constant complaining. In the past I have been critical of Chambers game management... but he has definitely brought in better players. I give him a lot of credit for the definite upgrade that I have witnessed. I hope that we continue to improve... even if we do I’m sure you will find something to complain about.
PSU MBB got 10 votes in the new top 25.
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Wow... it’s painful reading your dribble. We finally have a team that has the potential to be fun to watch. I’ve sat through a lot of games at the BJC hoping to have a team that I could get excited about. I think we just may have such a team. I’m growing tired of your constant belly aching about previous years. So far, this team has been fun to watch. Instead of laying a complete egg against Yale, they found a way to rally for a W. Most other years that would not have happened. If you want to continue to wallow in your misery... go for it!!! Time may prove me wrong but I think this team has the potential to be really good... hopefully a top 25 team that not only makes the tourney... but also makes a nice tourney run. Until I see something else, I am going to stay positive and ignore your constant complaining. In the past I have been critical of Chambers game management... but he has definitely brought in better players. I give him a lot of credit for the definite upgrade that I have witnessed. I hope that we continue to improve... even if we do I’m sure you will find something to complain about.
There is something very different about the way this year has started. I think we have a leigt team
We had serious recruits considering us in the past too...Lavell Blanchard, Trey Burke, Matt Carroll, Gerry McNamara, etc.
The difference is that we’re consistently hitting the same areas in recruiting now, especially in Philly. We got great players in the past from Houston, Albany, Ohio, NC, etc. But there was no consistency in our recruiting ground. Things look a lot more sustainable today if we keep a consistent presence in Phillly and the DMV.
Agree completely on all points.
Also, note that Blanchard, Carroll and McNamara were all considering us under Dunn. The contract situation after the Sweet 16 was an absolute farce and Tim Curley was to blame. We fell off the radar for McNamara after that. Some think he would have strongly considered us. Others do not.
With DeChellis, Burke was the only really, really major one and Ed got his commitment before he was on the radar of others. Once he got more attention he promptly decommitted. Personally, I think that Ed was totally worthless for our program.
The recruiting territory is the biggest thing for me. Although Dunn was sort of good at finding B1G-level players, he was too arrogant to recruit PA and was pretty much afraid to fail in Phila. We never built the recruiting base we needed even though he had every opportunity.
Ed's recruiting strategy was just ****ing bizarre, beginning with the Euro experiment of 2004. Nothing else can really be said about it.
Might want to read all of my posts before you get on your high horse. The reason I was talking about the past is because I was having a discussion with another poster about the past....had nothing to do with this year’s team. I also stated in two other posts that this year’s team will make the tournament....hardly bellyaching, but you keep trying.
I didn't make the rules. You f#@knuts who have been trying to control what people write on this board did. I'm just here to hold you accountable to your own rules. If being undefeated and making a lot of money to coach makes one immune from critique, then it makes one immune from critique. The sport doesn't matter
JUST.BE.CONSISTENT
FTR, I don't care if you critique Chambers. I just want you and others to STFU when someone notes that the FB team doesn't look that sharp against inferior competition, fails to make halftime adjustments, and in-game coaching seems suspect at best.
**sigh** This isn't hard
Feel free to tell them you disagree and why.
Just don't tell them they can't have an opinion or that there is no place for thinking the FB team isn't CFP caliber, or that a $5M coach should be a better in-game coach.
Just stop the fascist nonsense!
Please show me where I’ve ever told someone they’re not allowed to have an opinion. Everyone can have an opinion, but I will point out to them when I think they’re wrong....how is that me not allowing someone to have an opinion? Just like your post here...you’re wrong...the FB team has been in the CFP hunt every year since 2016...that makes them CFP caliber. And franklin is just fine as a in game coach, but if he’s going to be judged that undefeated seasons are the only thing that makes him a good in game coach, then he will never live up to your standards.
We also ended last season going 7-4, I think some of the excitement is because it seemed the team turned the corner (too late, but none the less, they did improve significantly) and some of that momentum has continued early this season. There's some confidence in the team we have not seen before.
The next few games are going to tell us a lot about this team.
I know it sounds ridiculous, but it seems like some people have a hard time rooting for both our football and basketball programs. It’s as if any positive with the basketball team, somehow detracts from our football team.
I know it's the exception, and not the rule, but I sense that a few people feel that if you somewhat like the basketball team, or show some interest in basketball, or say something positive about PSU men’s basketball; then you’re somehow going against our football program at Penn State.
Has anyone else ever felt this? Or is this something that I’ve only felt?
I know it's the exception, and not the rule, but I sense that a few people feel that if you somewhat like the basketball team, or show some interest in basketball, or say something positive about PSU men’s basketball; then you’re somehow going against our football program at Penn State.
Has anyone else ever felt this? Or is this something that I’ve only felt?
You really think that decent recruits are choosing where to play BASKETBALL based on the success of the FOOTBALL team??
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I do. In a broad sense, a great football program helps people’s perception of the school. Do you think anyone is thinking about football, when they enroll at Alabama?
Sorry to tell you, but I really do not think that is how it works -- especially when the two seasons overlap.
Do I think that a regular student enrolling at Bama is thinking about football? Of course. Do I think that a good hoops recruit is swayed by a decent football team, rather than basketball facilities, philosophy/strategy, or coach/team culture? Not a chance
There is no debating that you and others spent weeks mocking and demeaning anyone that suggested PSU FB had significant holes by stating that being 7-0 and making a lot of money to coach meant any critique was absurd.
It's fine if you think Franklin is a good in-game coach. From my vantage point, there is significant room for improvement, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I. Let's just not suggest that beating Idaho and buffalo, winning ugly against Pitt and Iowa, and escaping Michigan means everything is great when the toughest games are yet to come. As far as standards go, mine aren't that high(not sure where you cherry-picked being undefeated as the benchmark), but when someone is making over $5M a year, I don't think it's too much to ask to manage the game and NOT get out-schemed and out-adjusted at halftime. Call me crazy.
Finally, I don't think you understand the word caliber.
Making the playoffs makes you "playoff caliber"
Nobody looks at the NFL teams who missed the playoffs and refers to them as playoff caliber.
If being "in the hunt" makes you playoff caliber, then Pat Chambers has had several "NCAA Tournament Caliber" teams. I'm sure you would correctly disagree with that.
When you’re a great athlete, you have many offers to consider. All things being equal, why not choose the one with the better football program? Do you believe that basketball players aren’t football fans? You make the point that regular students think about football. I’m having a hard time distinguishing between the personalities of the general populace and the athletes.
If you are a serious basketball recruit why would you care about anything besides your fit in the basketball program?
I hate us too. We need joe Lunardi to hate us, as he has us in as a nine seed
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There’s a difference between having an opinion and thinking you know more than the coach. My problem is with people who think they’re smarter than franklin....I guess their drywalling job better prepared them to coach a D-1 college team than an actual coach who earned his way there.
He doesn’t get out schemed and out adjusted...that’s just you looking at the games they’ve lost...they’ve won way more than they lost, what happened to the scheming and adjusting in those games?
And your take on playoff teams is just ludicrous, but I think you can figure that out. When the NFL or NCAA basketball only has four teams that make the playoff, then you can compare those with college football.
"All things being equal" is the point of disagreement. All things are never equal between two different schools. Heck, even if there was this crazy universe in which schools had the exact same facilities, setting, etc. the relationships with the coach and players would stil vary. Relationships matter so much more than a sports program that you are not even participating in when being recruited.
No, the Penn State football program is not building the basketball program in any way. Do the two teams support each other? Absolutely, but a top-flight recruit with multiple P5 offers is not factoring a school's football program into their decision.
If the FB program has no influence then why do coaches of the other teams bring so many recruits to white out games. It all works together to help build an atmosphere that recruits like. Do the one and done recruits care, of course not, but they aren't coming here anyway.
