Do you really not understand the issue? Do you lack the info you need? Or, are you just very, very thick?
PSU Sr. daughter just got word from 1 prof that f2f classes
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It has nothing to do with lawyers. It has to do with containing the spread so that those at high risk do not die and so that our health system does not get overloaded.
Seriously, how thick are some of you people? How many time does it have to be explained, and in how many ways?
How is anybody supposed to believe that some of you were ever college material? It is embarrassing. Get embarrassed.
I absolutely disagree with you since you do not know the content and delivery of my courses. In the end I am sure that if push comes to shove... I ‘ll figure out something... but it is not as simple as you seem to make it. When you consider all of the courses that will need the help of technical help to either stream or video lectures and manage exams, etc... it’s just not going to be easy...
If it were for a few courses but just think of how many different classes will need help.... definitely going to tax university resources....
I’m not an IT guy but it could be a bandwidth issue. Think about having every single class during a semester on line. That’s a bunch of content.
And how many times do you alarmists need to hype this out of proportion? How many rolls of toilet paper have you stockpiled in your bunker and how many layers is your tinfoil hat? This is no worse than the flu that has already killed thousands yet you seem to support quarantining millions of people. What do you think college kids with no classes to go to will do? Think they might be a little more social than normal and potentially increase the spread of the disease? You question how folks could be college material, maybe you should look in the mirror and wonder how you made it this far in life with such pathetic critical thinking skills.
I am using zoom to hold my classes once my U goes all online, which will probably be in next few days. Zoom is pretty good.
I have heard the decision is made and communication will be later tonite or tomorrow morning. ~ OSU (2 weeks no f2f and reevaluate at that point)
So pass on your credentials Doc. I’ve seen varying opinions from various experts but none are saying this is just like the flu. For starters there is no tamaflu or antibiotic. There is no vaccine. This isn’t going away tomorrow or even next week or month. I’m all for more information on the topic, but that means listening to multiple sources of information. So far those that said it would get here and spread have been pretty accurate. Hopefully it is all just a big overreaction, that would be great.
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Refer to the post from PSUinMich that I recommended be pinned in the other thread that you responded to genius.
Oh you mean the same GD thread where you were to GD lazy to even listen another opinion by someone who is also an expert on infectious diseases. You clearly didn’t click on it as you responded within minutes so you don’t even know what was said. Seems like you’re an expert in your own mind already there genius. You have it all figured out already. Again did you write that letter PSUinMICH posted? Or did you read that and simply decide that was it? I’m all for more information, you don’t want any.... good for you.
And how are you any different? Refusing to listen to experts on “the other side”? Gonna quote Barry here and call hypocrisy.
I at least read the post my PSUinMICH. You didn’t bother to even listen to what the Doc said which was weighted and balanced had you listened. So I heard both out and both make great points. You just assume sh!t with just one piece of information, good job.
Jump onboard with Barry, it king of confirms what I was starting to think. I’ll keep an open mind on this as there is plenty more to learn.
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PSU does use Zoom. The dept. that runs the study abroad programs routinely hold meetings with parents via Zoom.
And you’re demonstrating the irrational and frantic thought patterns that will lead to poorer outcomes throughout this scenario.
I prefer the theory put out by experts to not panic, to not hoard, to behave responsibly and take common sense measures to lessen your risk of getting sick. The idea that mass quarantining folks and sending people home will have any real impact on reducing the numbers of infections is laughable. In the real world those that have been quarantined have broken the rules and infected others, and then you’ve got the cruise ship fiasco where quarantining caused more infections. And as the topic of this thread is college kids, well as I said those that are allowed to stay on campus are sure as heck going to be more social and spread more disease in their down time, and those that are forced to go home are potential vectors of the disease due to traveling home, again potentially increasing the number of infected.
Maybe if our gov’t had an actual plan and had pushed more testing as opposed to the mixed and flubbed response there would be a better response but at this point it is what it is. Some people are going to get sick, the vast vast VAST majority will have mild symptoms and in order to lessen the likelihood that the medical facilities don’t get overwhelmed we have to calm the panic/alarmist nature of the coverage so that your average American idiot doesn’t go to the ER if they get a tickle in their throat.
The flip side is to do as you’re doing and raising the threat level, inciting panic and a doom gloom scenario which only serves to create more fear which then leads to the hoarding and run on medical facilities that could worsen the death rate.
How can you call something the flip side when you didn’t even listen to it? I posted a link to an interview and you somehow formed an opinion on it without even listening. That kind of tells me all I need to know. I cannot have a real discussion with you there. Later.
It’s great that your in good shape for a 62 year old. I’m more concerned about the 70 year old who has other health problems. You know, the grandparents of the students you are referring to who will be spreading the virus. They will get sick but they may not survive. You have any relatives like that or does everyone in your family work out and have good genetics? What about your friends, neighbors, colleagues? Are any of them at risk of exposure from an infected student who will get “sick and be better off after”? Or do those people deserve to die because they don’t do daily pushups like you.
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Well, I see I have failed to awaken you from your stupor. That's on me.....I guess.
Nevertheless, I also see that you really.....really.....have no grasp of what is going on.
Um, except
1. There is no vaccine
2. Thus far the evidence says it is more transmissible (one infected person with COVID-19 will pass it on to more individuals than a person with flu will)
3. Thus far the evidence says it has a higher mortality rate -- an order of magnitude higher, or more
So yeah, it's worse. We won't have #1 for a while yet, and until we have a better handle on #2 and #3, I am in definitely in favor of society taking precautions to slow the spread of this thing -- to protect the vulnerable population (elderly and immunocompromised) and to keep the healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If that means we reduce our gatherings in arenas, concert halls, and yes, classrooms for a while, so be it.
I'm reminded of the furor over the Y2K Bug in some respects. Y2K was sensationalized by the media (and yes, COVID-19 is definitely being sensationalized too.) There were predictions of mass chaos and a meltdown of society when all our computerized infrastructure would fail. We had hoarders and preppers doing their thing back then too. But with Y2K we clearly knew what the fix was, in advance, and organizations and IT professionals spent years making the changes needed so that in the end, we had an incredibly soft landing with virtually no impact.
With COVID-19, we don't have a fix -- we don't even know the true parameters of what we're dealing with yet. And the impacts are already here. And those impacts are human lives being lost -- not a website crashing or credit card transactions failing.
Yes, it might be that this is being overblown and the spread of the virus will stabilize. I hope so! But it's a spectrum of possible outcomes, ranging from that to millions of lives lost. Given those stakes, how are some of us not on board with collectively taking a pause to let science and medicine try to get ahead of this thing?
Actually good advice coming from the government would be for those who are elderly or have serious underlying health issues, those are the ones who should self-quarantine and avoid contact with people for the next month.
It seems that cancelling classes is a half measure because the students will be home with nothing to do and will socialize with friends. Parents will still be going to work, people will still be going to the grocery store, movies etc. Plenty of opportunity to spread the virus will still exist.
My daughter's school system just cancelled all out of state field trips. I would like the explanation why in state field trips are safer. Seems it is a measure to say we are doing something that is actually not doing anything to stop the spread of the virus.
If Penn State cancels classes, obviously all students will hole up in isolation. No chance they will gather together or with others.
Agreed, and I think they are advising such vulnerable people to limit their contact with others. It cannot be complete though since many of them depend on caregivers to show up.
Also agreed... but will the students staying home socialize with 300-400 friends at a time, a la attending a lecture in the Forum building? No one is saying to shut down society completely and quarantine everyone... it's just not possible. But to me, cutting back on mass petri dish gatherings for a while makes sense.
So the healthiest portion of our population can’t congregate but we can jam 20,000 people together to watch hockey and basketball.
Looking at State College demographics - a move to delay students’ return from Spring Break makes a lot of sense.
State College has about 100,000 residents that fall into 3 population groups - students, faculty/staff and LOTS of elderly retirees. And there are 300 hospital beds in the county.
If the virus moves quickly through the town because multiple unknowing carriers returned from break - it will overwhelm Mt Nittany and deeply jeopardize the retiree population. Of course, those carriers will be elsewhere but wherever it is, it is likely lower population density than State College.
State College has about 100,000 residents that fall into 3 population groups - students, faculty/staff and LOTS of elderly retirees. And there are 300 hospital beds in the county.
If the virus moves quickly through the town because multiple unknowing carriers returned from break - it will overwhelm Mt Nittany and deeply jeopardize the retiree population. Of course, those carriers will be elsewhere but wherever it is, it is likely lower population density than State College.
They won't be doing it on campus.If Penn State cancels classes, obviously all students will hole up in isolation. No chance they will gather together or with others.
Penn State is just trying to protect itself. It’s all they can control. Protect yourself from OUTRAGE.
and potential lawsuits (even the frivolous) by saying, “We did our part.”Interesting. I've heard it will be today as well ... but that it'll be online till end of semester. Harvard, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, West Chester, St. John's are all already doing the same.
P.S. Expect the B/W game to be gone if that's the case.
I'm convinced that the vast, vast majority of people who have never taught at the collegiate level have absolutely no idea how much work profs put in, or how difficult/challenging it can be to manage dozens and dozens of young people in multiple classes. It's not as easy as standing there talking for 50 minutes. The worst are parents of college kids who think their kids' teachers are out to get them when, 99.99% of the time, it's the student who messed something up.
Since when has PSU been concerned about wasteful spending or negligence in fiduciary responsibility?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. You can quote me on that. Or Ben Franklin. Either is fine.
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