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PSU/tOSU at noon on FOX

Going back to the 90s and early 2000s is ridiculous.. You need to look at the last 20 or so years.

I don't disagree with what you are saying. Of course we should be able to beat them at anytime.

You are missing the point a bit here. The White Out is a one of a kind spectacular event and can help Penn State while somewhat hurting the opponent. It would be nice if we could fully leverage this spectacle which is a night game. Noon games just don't generate the same frenetic, crazy fan excitement. No all day build up. So the night game gives Penn State a bigger home field advantage. Do we need a WO to win? No. Would it help our chances a bit? Yes. If we lose do we have an excuse that it wasnt'a night game WO? No.
All I heard two years ago was how, if the game was a white out at night, we would have beaten Ohio State.
 
If you need until 7pm to get to the game and make a difference as a fan, then I am sorry but you are a pu$$y. Sick and tired of this fan base crying and bitching about noon start times. Michigan somehow made it to the stadium last year at home against Ohio State at noon and beat Ohio State. If you are who you say you are, you show up on time and you win the damn game.

No more excuses.
No one is saying the game needs to be played at night to win…they’re saying they prefer to have the game at night…you know, like most normal people.
 
Here is what you do not see. The networks bow down to only 1 thing - $$$. Every Saturday the best national games have to be placed in the most profitable time slots. The networks don't give a shi* about fan demands, only money.
Yeah, a noon game would be a bigger draw than a night game…right.
 
Yeah, a noon game would be a bigger draw than a night game…right.
Well it’s more than pure rating’s numbers of a single game. It’s about bragging rights all week. Creating the illusion of THE network for the next games. Using that opening game to advertise and do tie-ins to later games.

It’s the entire package, not just a game.
 
Yeah, a noon game would be a bigger draw than a night game…right.

FOX's noon games have been the highest timeslot for college football in recent years.

People can have preferences for whatever they want, but the implication that "people don't watch" at noon is downright silly. In fact, it's Saturday nights that suffer the most because people actually... go out and don't watch TV (to the same degree).

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FOX's noon games have been the highest timeslot for college football in recent years.

People can have preferences for whatever they want, but the implication that "people don't watch" at noon is downright silly. In fact, it's Saturday nights that suffer the most because people actually... go out and don't watch TV (to the same degree).

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This is interesting and the person who thought up the whole Fox Big Noon platform should get a huge promotion. What an opportunity they found. Sucks for us and no night WO vs OSU but business is business.
 
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This is interesting and the person who thought up the whole Fox Big Noon platform should get a huge promotion. What an opportunity they found. Sucks for us and no night WO vs OSU but business is business.
If we are still undefeated, the fans will show up, will be loud and the players on both teams will be motivated. Plus, we won’t have to wait all day for the game.
 
FOX's noon games have been the highest timeslot for college football in recent years.

People can have preferences for whatever they want, but the implication that "people don't watch" at noon is downright silly. In fact, it's Saturday nights that suffer the most because people actually... go out and don't watch TV (to the same degree).

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That only has meaning if you could take those noon games and put them on at night to see what the draw would have been…which you can’t do.
 
That only has meaning if you could take those noon games and put them on at night to see what the draw would have been…which you can’t do.

Well, since ESPN has overall a better selection of games (controlling all the SEC games plus ACC and most of the Big 12) and typically puts their top games at night or at 3:30, we have plenty of opportunities to evaluate how games do in each timeslot.

But more importantly, the point that "people don't want to watch games at noon" is just poppycock. Ratings wouldn't be what they are for Fox Noon games if the timeslot was a big discouragement.
 
That only has meaning if you could take those noon games and put them on at night to see what the draw would have been…which you can’t do.
This argument doesn't even make sense because you can't prove your version is true.
Ratings will always be higher for day games on Saturday...thats when they're also most likely to younger fans who go out on Saturday nights.
 
If you need until 7pm to get to the game and make a difference as a fan, then I am sorry but you are a pu$$y. Sick and tired of this fan base crying and bitching about noon start times. Michigan somehow made it to the stadium last year at home against Ohio State at noon and beat Ohio State. If you are who you say you are, you show up on time and you win the damn game.

No more excuses.
Well $500+/night for 2 night minimum hotel rooms doesn't help, and there are only so many of them anyway. So in order to enter the stadium one hour before kickoff (Gate B was horrible for UCLA), that means leaving the house no later than 8:00am for anyone with a 2 hour drive (IF traffic flows normally), and not getting home before 7:00pm-8:00pm. And God bless anyone who lives 3-5 hours away!

Later start times help with the flow of traffic and stadium entry.
 
Well $500+/night for 2 night minimum hotel rooms doesn't help, and there are only so many of them anyway. So in order to enter the stadium one hour before kickoff (Gate B was horrible for UCLA), that means leaving the house no later than 8:00am for anyone with a 2 hour drive (IF traffic flows normally), and not getting home before 7:00pm-8:00pm. And God bless anyone who lives 3-5 hours away!

Later start times help with the flow of traffic and stadium entry.

This logic seems odd to me. A night time game that ends at 11 PM is a far worse traffic issue for fans than a noon game. The parking lots are, well, parking lots with no movement of the cars for a long time after the game ends. And you are then talking about driving back home into the wee hours of the night.

If I were going up on game day, I'd like 3:30 the most but would absolutely prefer a 12:00 PM game to one at 7:30 PM.

I drove up and back same day for the Bowling Green game this year (I live ~3 hours away) and had no problems.
 
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This logic seems odd to me. A night time game that ends at 11 PM is a far worse traffic issue for fans than a noon game. The parking lots are, well, parking lots with no movement of the cars for a long time after the game ends. And you are then talking about driving back home into the wee hours of the night.

If I were going up on game day, I'd like 3:30 the most but would absolutely prefer a 12:00 PM game to one at 7:30 PM.

I drove up and back same day for the Bowling Green game this year (I live ~3 hours away) and had no problems.
Yeah, very few people want to drive 2+ plus home at 11pm or midnight--most would rather get up and drive early to get there
There's no right or wrong on preference but the biggest Big Ten games are usually going to be at noon. It's best for both networks as the SEC has the prime time spot and they're best aren't H2H
Oregon-Ohio State was prime time though so maybe we'll have some late night road starts
 
This logic seems odd to me. A night time game that ends at 11 PM is a far worse traffic issue for fans than a noon game. The parking lots are, well, parking lots with no movement of the cars for a long time after the game ends. And you are then talking about driving back home into the wee hours of the night.

If I were going up on game day, I'd like 3:30 the most but would absolutely prefer a 12:00 PM game to one at 7:30 PM.

I drove up and back same day for the Bowling Green game this year (I live ~3 hours away) and had no problems.
Where did I once advocate for a "night game"? I just said that noon sucks.
 
I don't think it matters near as much when it comes to the marquee games (ie PSU vs OSU is going to draw huge ratings regardless of time slot if we both enter the game undefeated / 1 loss) compared to the lesser games that get the benefit of the travel crew at your stadium and a 2 hour preview show that highlights the teams.

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1. Ohio State at Oregon
Channel: NBC
Date/Time: Saturday, Oct. 12 at 7:30 p.m. ET
Viewers: 10.4 million


Oregon’s 32-31 win over Ohio State in the top-three matchup drew the largest primetime audience for a regular season Big Ten conference game since 2008. The game averaged 10.2 million viewers across NBC, Peacock and NBC Sports Digital. NBC Sports’ audience peaked at 13.4 million viewers in the game’s final minutes. Ohio State-Oregon is the most-watched primetime regular-season matchup between Big Ten teams since Oct. 25, 2008 (Penn State-Ohio State, 10.4 million viewers on ABC)."


I know that CBS drew better ratings with the SECs #1 game at 330 than they have with the typical 2nd or 3rd pick Big 10 games in the same slot.

Overall, the brands involved, the stakes, they matter a lot more than a specific time slow (if noon was the best slow, you better believe that ABC would be sticking their best game in it weekly too). However, when it comes to pumping up a week with no marquee games, Fox is doing well in the noon slot.
 
Yeah, a noon game would be a bigger draw than a night game…right.
I did not say it was. I simply said the networks will dictate the times based on what is the best (most profitable) time slot for each game.
 
I think everyone knows why it is at noon $$$ but as fans we would prefer (most I bet) it to be at night. Maybe a slight advantage and yes the record isn’t great but how many of those games were we even favored in? There is also the boost in National exposure when it’s viewed around the country and potential recruits see the atmosphere. Mostly our fans want it that way and there is nothing wrong with that - hell I was at the Nebraska game back in the 80’s when the trucked lights in - one of the most fun games ever - helps we won of course.
 
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Well, since ESPN has overall a better selection of games (controlling all the SEC games plus ACC and most of the Big 12) and typically puts their top games at night or at 3:30, we have plenty of opportunities to evaluate how games do in each timeslot.

But more importantly, the point that "people don't want to watch games at noon" is just poppycock. Ratings wouldn't be what they are for Fox Noon games if the timeslot was a big discouragement.
I never said people won’t watch a noon game….i think most people would rather watch a night game.
 
Based on what? Hell a lot of people don't even stay up late enough to watch it.
Per ESPN historical ratings of CFB games played before 7:30PM were 15% below those played after 7:30PM so stick that in tour pipe and smoke it clown!
 
So you're ignoring last year and this year because...
The game is what matters not the time it's played.
WTF - you said a hell of a lot of people won’t stay up to watch it and I stated the facts say you are wrong end of story.
 
WTF - you said a hell of a lot of people won’t stay up to watch it and I stated the facts say you are wrong end of story.
That's not what you did...you're ignored the entire point that current noon starts are the highest rated because all that ever mattered was who is playing. Its why the Big Ten and SEC have all the power now.

There's no difference in 2024 based on start time. The earlier the better more often than not this year. The past is irrelevant as we don't live in it.
 
That's not what you did...you're ignored the entire point that current noon starts are the highest rated because all that ever mattered was who is playing. Its why the Big Ten and SEC have all the power now.

There's no difference in 2024 based on start time. The earlier the better more often than not this year. The past is irrelevant as we don't live in it.
Congrats you have once again won the dumbest poster award - they should just name it after you at this point.
 
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