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http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...jacksonville-jaguars-nfl/stories/201811200125
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...jacksonville-jaguars-nfl/stories/201811200125
PSU95alum here's your timeout answer from Tomlins
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Thanks for posting. But meh, I don't buy it. Bill Belicheat would make the right call with the clock in that situation. Mike goes by his gut.
Tell me which of those 2 guys you want playing your blackjack hands for you in Vegas? You play the percentages all the time.
How does this even make sense?
Tomlin said he saved one of those timeouts because he didn’t expect the Jaguars to throw the ball on any on those downs. And they didn’t. They ran Leonard Fournette on third-and-5 and the Steelers stopped him for a 1-yard gain.
“I knew they were going to run the ball on third down, so if we stopped them I knew we were going to need a timeout,” Tomlin said Tuesday at his weekly news conference at UPMC Rooney Sports Complex.
Sounds to me like Tomlin might be just as clueless as some of the people on this board.
Not to belabor the point even longer in another thread but there are so many scenarios that can make it the right or wrong thing and FC if these were discussed. We keep saying they had 4 time outs but not really. It's very possible if he used the timeouts before the 2MW that the time of the punt would have crossed over the 2MW and they basically would have lost that stoppage. Also, what if Roethlisberger's TD actually was reviewed and they realized his knee was down just before the ball crossed. You would have had that stupid 10 second runoff that beat the Lions a year or so ago that would have ended the game on the review except for the fact that the Steelers could have used that saved time out to give them one more play to go for it or kick the field goal. That combined with the other "insurance" keeping the TO gave you (giving the Jags less of a run/pass option, allowing the Steelers to keep the field more open on offense) probably makes it worth doing it the way Tomlin did.
I really didn’t think this could get any worse, but you have convinced me otherwise. Or, you are simply trolling me. Either way, well done.
So, he really doesn't understand that he could have used 2 before the 2 minute warning and still had a timeout? His logic is faulty and he didn't manage the clock well. Again, a lot of coaches struggle with this. It isn't just Tomlin but he's excuse doesn't work. Especially if "he didn’t expect the Jaguars to throw the ball on any on those downs" it is beyond idiotic to waste 10 seconds
EXACTLY!!! His reasoning for not calling a TO- that he knew Jax wouldn’t throw it- makes his decision even worse. Unreal.
Football coaches, more often than not, suck at math (and probability for that matter).
It is not beyond idiotic. It is a choice between those ten seconds and the possibility of rushing a field goal until on the field or losing the ten seconds and having the safety net of a timeout. Both are understandable positions.
Ok, stop it. Really. Stop it. That’s enough already. No one is this stupid, so I know your simply trying to troll.
What are you talking about? You have to same number of time outs either way. You have one with ten more seconds if you use the timeouts correctly. Why do you think Tomlin's way gives him an extra time out.
You use 2 timeouts before the 2 minute warning then the clock stops at two minutes and you have 1 timeout left.
You use 2 timeouts after the 2 minute warning the clock stop around 1:50 and you have 1 timeout left.
This isn't complicated.
It’s a choice between having 10 extra seconds and not having 10 extra seconds. Those are the two choices.
Alright, explain the whole scenario to me again if you don’t mind. I dipped my toe into the other thread and may have misunderstood the scenario. I didn’t see the game as I was at a middle school rendition of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Whether he called the 2 timeouts before the two minute warning or the two timeouts after the two minute, he still has the one TO in his pocket at the end of the game. It would have been better for him to call the two TOs before the 2 minute warning because it would have saved 10 extra seconds. Simple.
Jacksonville received the ball with 2:20 (estimating) left in the game. Steelers trailing with 3 timeouts. Jacksonville runs the ball and Tomlin, foolishly, allows the clock to run down to 2 minutes. He then takes two timeouts after the 2 minute warning leaving him one timeout and about 1:50 left in the game. Tomlin should have called a timeout following the first two Jacksonville plays then used to the 2 minute warning after third down leaving him with one timeout and giving him 2:00 left in the game. He cost the Steelers 10 seconds which could have easily cost us the game. It was bad clock management which is status quo for most NFL and college teams.
My favorite is the results-based thinking of “since they won, he made the right decision”.
^^^ Half the posters on the BWI Board ^^^
Totally agree. I personally think he's a great coach, but his use of TO's and challenges are truly horrific.
I’m not trying to be rude here, but do you watch the sport of American football?
The Jags punted with 1:50 left. Does a punt at 1:50 have less hang time than a punt at 2:00? Are we to believe that the laws of physics cease to exist at 1:50 compared to 2:00?
They would punt at 2:00 instead of 1:50. We're talking about when the ball is punted? Are you really not comprehending there's more time left on the clock when the 3rd stoppage is at the 2 minute warning as opposed to taking 2 timeouts after the two minute warning.
You guys are doing an excellent job of demonstrating just how clueless coaches are when it comes to clock management. A 14 year old Madden player understand this better
Either we are getting trolled hard, or I give the average person WAY too much credit when it comes to comprehending the game of football.
If they pick up a first down after the two minute warning you're screwed regardless. Using you scenario, even if Jacksonville picks up a first down on second down after the two minute warning you use three timeouts and they still run the clock following third down. If they pick it up on third down, the game is over. Same scenario regardless of when the timeout are used. It's just bad clock management.
I think it's the math they struggle with not the football. Or maybe they didn't play Madden/NCAA growing up lol
I didn’t play Madden nor NCAA either. But I played and watched football. This isn’t a hard concept to grasp. We are talking about basic addition and subtraction, not trigonometry.
This has been an excercise in futility. It’s hopeless. Those who are unable to comprehend need to turn in their man cards ASAP. We truly are living in an idiocracy.
I don't think it's a hard concept either but I haven't understood for decades why coaches struggled with this. I really do think teams would be smart to hire a "clock management" specialist. Coaches have a lot of things to worry about and that's something they could delegate. Also gives them a scapegoat when things go wrong lol
Got it. I misunderstood the scenario. He didn’t take any timeouts before the warning? That doesn’t make sense.
He’s also not a chef, so he shouldn’t comment if his steak comes out over-cooked...
Someone is way too vested in their favorite football team. I know your type. Your week is ruined if “your team” loses. Your identity is wrapped up in what other men do for a living.
Get over dude. It has nothing to do with being a “Tomlin hater”. I could give you many other reasons why Tomlin isn’t a GREAT coach other than clock mgmt. His teams typically play down to lesser competition and he struggles to win the really big games. Other than that, he’s great!
I don't hate Tomlin. I've said repeatedly its a league wide issue.
I'm not talking Xs & Os. I leave that up to the experts. I don't have any problem with the play calling or anything like that. I have a problem with poor clock management in pretty much every single game I watch.
Right--it doesn't make any sense. Sorry if it wasn't explained well earlier. I think we've said it so much we may be leaving out parts lol
I’m not a coaching guru nor do I know more than Mike Tomlin about football. However, for this one instance, I got it right and Tomlin got it wrong. You haven’t got a clue either way, so you are going to side with your hero Tomlin regardless of his position. You are like his lap dog. No offense though- lap dogs are cute.
It surely isn’t the fault of anybody in here. I just didn’t bother reading the scenario thoroughly enough to begin with.
On a better note, I’ve taken the last month and a half off from drinking and my Thanksgiving break begins now. I’ve accumulated 30+ assorted beer in my fridge and am diving in. Cheers to you and happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving. Try them all in the same night so you have a good comparison.
Lol “ nor do I know more than Tomlin” that would insinuate that you feel you know as much. Actually u don’t know shit. Your a freaking idiot that can’t see that Tomlin got it right. It’s plain to see why you can’t give Tomlin any credit. Now only an idiot couldn’t figure that out.
Your justification for him “getting it right” is what? The fact that they won?
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