Ramos to UNC
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Except Asheville - that place practically invented the bearded dude who lives in his truck (though the typical bearded dude there probably kayaks, climbs or brews beer - he doesn't wrestle)
Best moonshine I've ever tasted came right from those same hills. And coincidentally enough, it was produced by bearded dudes...
Best tasting compared with what turpentine? JK!!
I've had plenty and it never tasted good......that I can remember.
However a couple of us get together every couple months to make "apple pie" or fruit of the month "pie" . This is great stuff and very potent to unsuspecting tailgate guests.
Had a NC watermelon farmer bring some of pappys finest up to the auction 2 summers ago. He cut an opening in the melon dumped the clear in and let it sit. We took it home and made the melon into a fruit salad for a picnic. Let's just say several of wee ones snuck into the frig helped themselves went to the trampoline and proceeded to vomit all over. Man did we laugh.
Maybe Ramos will become a bearded dude that makes watermelon moonshine and coaches from the bed of his pick up truck.
I can think of another watermelon farmer who made some people vomit this year.
Personally, I would not of hired Ramos after how he left Iowa. I foresee a short stay in Chapel Hill.
Sometimes familiarity breeds contempt, and new surroundings are in order. Tony is a grown man with grownup ideas about his future. It is really no different than one of us wanting to leave our current employer because we feel under appreciated. His just played out in full view.
Bringing Ramos on as a "Volunteer Assistant Coach" seems pretty low risk to me. It isn't like he's "locked in" on a multi-year six figure contract or anything. He's probably making next to nothing (sadly).
Actually I think this a great hire. I think most of the ACC wants badly to be relevant overall but also are driven to be top dogs within their conference. This is a signal in my opinion of this. The continue arms race so to speak. I also like this hire just because it is not in the midwest. More east or west coast wrestling is good for the sport.
Its also a signal to me, that the Ramos vs Brands thing will remain media fodder. Ramos at UNC, Zadick, St. John and Dresser at Vatech.
Not the first time Iowa was being hunted by its former wrestlers (credit to their system really), but the fact the hunt continues with new names and angles is interesting...... to me anyway.
Completely neutral here...at this point there's no reason to believe this is anything but a good hire. Time will tell if this is the case or not...
Coleman Scott disagrees. And since Scott's job was available due to the prior coach's public outbursts, fair to say Ramos' public outbursts were not ignored.
Coleman Scott is a hell of a wrestler however he is green when it comes to running a program. Talk to anyone that owns a business (such as myself) or someone responsible for hiring for a company and the vast majority would consider a employment prospect that left their last organization like Ramos did a serious red flag.
In my organization, we would hire him as quickly as our HR dept would allow. Which is to say much slower than Scott did, and we would lean hard on HR to get out of the way before one of our competitors snatched him up. And, in this analogy, we're much closer to being Iowa than UNC.
I think this taek is pretty small-minded, Tig. I mean, I get it, but imo it puts faaaarrr too much weight on Ramos' PR flub.
Red Flag is tired and way overused.
Ramos is a young man still learning how to blend his straight-talk mentality with public-speaking judiciousness. There's a dozen ways he could have handled the exit better, but assigning a meaning of danger or potential future problems to that incident is super short-sighted. Especially when stood up next to all the upsides of having Tony Ramos in and around your program. By all accounts, he's amazing with kids. And his work ethic will never be questioned. Working relationships and public speaking are teachable skills.
+1 jto. I'd like to see the behavior of anyone posting here after the disappointment Tony faced. The cauliflower blog did a good job, in my opinion, putting it into words...it's disappointment few can relate to.
I agree.
Some red flags are red flags that cannot be explained away. For example, a candidate is late to an interview. You'll always wonder whether the taxi really got lost. Did the candidate really allow enough time for unforeseen delays? Is the candidate genetically "unlucky", and nothing is ever his fault?
Other red flags are only red flags until you understand and believe an explanation. In this case, Ramos has a world view that is sincerely okay with McDonough but is sincerely not okay with Dennis, given Ramos's specific relationship (from ~youth) with the Brands. In this case, a new employer might come to understand Ramos enough to decide that the few things that can set Ramos off are the only things and can be prevented/controlled (e.g., by expectation setting) and "we can live with that".
For example, and I'm just making up one of many possibilities, an employer might hire a "difficult" candidate by concluding: this guy is a straight shooter, but he doesn't make the same assumptions as other people. I think if I just treat him as if he's autistic, and ask him all the time to see how he sees *every*thing that comes up, then we will never have a problem that festers because this guy will always tell me what he really thinks; I'd rather have his type than a schemer ...
"treat him as if he's autistic" lol. Yea, I guess that's one way to go about it.
Seriously guys, seems like a lot of people are willing to give Ramos a free pass here just because he was a good wrestler yet I'm somehow the "small minded" one. I think the combination of what he got mad about and how he handled it would be a legitimate concern for many people. Feel free to continue to disagree but stop acting like the other view point is so out of touch because I assure you it's not.
Seriously guys, seems like a lot of people are willing to give Ramos a free pass here just because he was a good wrestler yet I'm somehow the "small minded" one. I think the combination of what he got mad about and how he handled it would be a legitimate concern for many people. Feel free to continue to disagree but stop acting like the other view point is so out of touch because I assure you it's not.
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Fair enough on disagreeing, but please don't mis-characterize my takery. Re-framing my saying "I think this taek is pretty small-minded, Tig" as my saying that YOU are small-minded is dirty internet pool. Let's stick to disagreeing with or attacking ideas or points of views (taeks), and not cross over into attacking people. I wouldn't do that. I respect you and chose my words carefully, disagreeing with your point of view; I'd never call you, yourself, small-minded or any other name, really. I don't believe that about you and it's not how I play internet.
Other thing I didn't say and which is also an unfair re-framing of my taek: "willing to give Ramos a free pass just because he's a good wrestler." I specifically cited additional reasons why I don't weight the incident as heavily as you (good with kids, good attitude). I wouldn't call my acknowledging his PR flub as a free pass, but at least that's not a totally unfair characterization of what I said.
I'll accept your "stop acting like the other point of view is so out of touch" as a fair characterization of my disagreement. Those aren't the words I would or did use to describe your point of view about it, but with poetic internet license, it's at least above-board.
But hey, we disagree, no big deal. I always dig reading your taeks, regardless of agreement. We've been discussing wrestling together for a long time, and will continue to again later.
Beers to your weekend, brother. Peace.
I believe it is a lucky young lightweight who has Scott and Ramos available on a daily basis. Tony is a very personable guy. I wish him only the very best. I tend to see his emotional outpouring as a blip on the screen rather than a pattern.
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