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[LMTLION]

I think we should let the courts decide that. On the original it's been said by people on the inside at FSU that they were lied to and never saw the original document. Maybe just maybe that's why the ACC and ESPN are so desperate to settle.

Get the popcorn out!

 

[joeaubie21]

Get the popcorn out!

Then comes the popcorn fart.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Well this is an interesting twist. No so fast my friend:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports...sources-espn-ok-option-televise-acc-sports-36

Sources: ESPN OK's option to televise ACC sports through '36​

I personally don’t care what happens with the ACC, but the timing of this news after the creation of this thread (and ensuing dogpiling) is objectively hilarious.

 

[PSU4U]

FSU and Clemson were hanging their hats on ESPN not extending a new media deal, and now they have extended. I think their lawsuit is going to be completely dead in the water. It’s fun to speculate, and I love these message threads, but I truly think Conference alignment is done for the foreseeable future with a stable ACC. And if you think about it, ESPN is better off paying Clemson and FSU far less in the ACC versus the SEC and keeping other valuable properties away from Fox and the Big Ten while keeping the rest of the ACC at a relative discount. Another interesting tidbit to note is that ESPN values FSU, Clemson, and Miami more than UNC as evidenced by the ND clause.

I don't think that's the case at all.

 

[psu00]

I think we should let the courts decide that. On the original it's been said by people on the inside at FSU that they were lied to and never saw the original document. Maybe just maybe that's why the ACC and ESPN are so desperate to settle.

True. It’s been a while since I read about the ACC details but IIRC, there were 2 issues.

First was if espn didn’t renew the tv contract. That would kil the conference in like 2 years. Done deal for FSU/ Clemson. That has now been renewed and so the focus is on part 2.

That’s the claim that the ACC was deceptive in contract dealing and didn’t give the facts to the individual schools. I forget the exact details but it was about nepotism with the ACC commissioner’s kid at a network and not getting individual schools needed approval for a change to ratify the new contract changes (?). That’s still up in the air last I heard.

 

[joeaubie21]

I personally don’t care what happens with the ACC, but the timing of this news after the creation of this thread (and ensuing dogpiling) is objectively hilarious.

Have you farted in front of families having dinner lately?

 

[psu00]

There’s really competing interests and approaches that get blended in this debate. GA Tech is a good academic school. No president would have objections in that regard. That said, they’re not the typical large land grant, primary university in the state. They’re a relatively small private school. Similar to Tulane, Duke, Vanderbilt, Pitt, Northwestern.

The current conference expansion is all about $$ and that, bluntly, is all about football money which is based on tv ratings/ demand. Even basketball is a far second concern.

So while academics are nice, they aren’t what’s driving this expansion.

I know people want to be more high minded about the academics but that’s irrelevant in the current process. It’s about increasing money to outspend the other conferences in coaching salaries, NIL, facilities, etc. Adding schools like GA Tech, UVA, Duke, Pitt, NC St, BC, Syracuse, just doesn’t make financial sense.

 

[wilbury]

VA wants to go wherever UNC goes but will the SEC actually take them. UNC is still saying little brother NCS has to come along. So those two to the SEC. Supposedly the SEC only wants to take 4 teams tops from the ACC.

Petitti is supposedly only interested in TV ratings at this point and his choices would only be three teams ND, FSU and Miami. But I wouldn't count out GT. I think it's more likely that Miami and GT to the Big. The only way that the Big can land ND is if ND just gets starved out financially after all the dust settles.

A bunch of stuff is going on with the networks. NBC is not happy with getting a shorter end of the stick in broadcasting mostly getting lesser teams in bad time slots. ND is not happy with the ACC and their slice of the financial pie along with scheduling and not happy with their contract with NBC. So, there will be some tough negotiations going on between all three entities there.

ACC is already targeting replacement teams incase realignment happens this year and supposedly ESPN is onboard there.

ESPN is driving the bus for all of this.

This is all a part of what's been widely reported/leaked this week. UNC/NC State a package deal - currently a target of ESPN/SEC. GT hasn't been much of the discussion. The Big Ten wants in Florida - Miami/FSU targets but not until these legal issues get worked out. They're willing to stand pat for now.

The ACC gets stuck backfilling with lesser schools.

 

[Still in State College]

There’s really competing interests and approaches that get blended in this debate. GA Tech is a good academic school. No president would have objections in that regard. That said, they’re not the typical large land grant, primary university in the state. They’re a relatively small private school. Similar to Tulane, Duke, Vanderbilt, Pitt, Northwestern.

The current conference expansion is all about $$ and that, bluntly, is all about football money which is based on tv ratings/ demand. Even basketball is a far second concern.

So while academics are nice, they aren’t what’s driving this expansion.

I know people want to be more high minded about the academics but that’s irrelevant in the current process. It’s about increasing money to outspend the other conferences in coaching salaries, NIL, facilities, etc. Adding schools like GA Tech, UVA, Duke, Pitt, NC St, BC, Syracuse, just doesn’t make financial sense.

I look at a GaTech as a school that doesn't necessarily bring GaTech fans to the TV but a place that brings the B1G Network to Atlanta. You have to look at TV markets. That is why adding a PA school makes no sense because they already have a PA market. Getting into the southeast and Texas are probably the 2 targets now for the B1G.

 

[LandoComando]

I look at a GaTech as a school that doesn't necessarily bring GaTech fans to the TV but a place that brings the B1G Network to Atlanta. You have to look at TV markets. That is why adding a PA school makes no sense because they already have a PA market. Getting into the southeast and Texas are probably the 2 targets now for the B1G.

Markets aren't quite as important now as they once were...I do agree with you about Georgia Tech and getting into the southeast (I dont but Clemson FSU or even Miami) but UNC UVa and GT.
The Texas ship as sailed. Houston nor TCU make sense. A&M isn't happening.

 

[NedFromYork]

Ga Tech (Atlanta) and Miami make some sense. Lots of B1G Alumni in those areas. As CFB becomes more like the NFL, good to have NFL cities. It is about streaming TV markets, recruiting area, brand. Recruiting area is important, see MD and Rutgers. Good programs in good match ups drive ratings, and to be a good program requires good recruits. I really want UNC and UVA, we'll see. I am also warm on Texas Tech now that I looked at them. 40,000 students on campus, plan to attain AAU, in Texas, have an airport. A reduced share for a while, could make some sense.

Also, the conference can't all be juggernauts, some middling programs is good (for Penn State at least).

So in a nut shell, I want UVA, UNC, Ga Tech, Miami, Texas Tech. Also think Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State (or Arizona) make sense. That's 26 I believe. Obviously ND. And I'd take Stanford (San Francisco, Oakland) or Boston College (Boston) if ND required. With reduced shares and taking share away from ACC, B12, etc., it can work.

 

[Parkland Fan]

Ga Tech (Atlanta) and Miami make some sense. Lots of B1G Alumni in those areas. As CFB becomes more like the NFL, good to have NFL cities. It is about streaming TV markets, recruiting area, brand. Recruiting area is important, see MD and Rutgers. Good programs in good match ups drive ratings, and to be a good program requires good recruits. I really want UNC and UVA, we'll see. I am also warm on Texas Tech now that I looked at them. 40,000 students on campus, plan to attain AAU, in Texas, have an airport. A reduced share for a while, could make some sense.

Also, the conference can't all be juggernaut, some middling programs is good (for Penn State at least).

So in a nut shell, I want UVA, UNC, Ga Tech, Miami, Texas Tech. Also think Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State (or Arizona) make sense. That's 26 I believe. Obviously ND. And I'd take Stanford (San Francisco, Oakland) or Boston College (Boston) if ND required. With reduced shares and taking share away from ACC, B12, etc., it can work.

If the Big looks at recruiting, you can't beat getting into Georgia (Tech) and Florida (Miami). Okay, next to Texas.