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Yeah. I'm guessing we see Haines go vs Iowa, tOSU and then a couple of tournaments.

Re: Feldman, well, I'm not as high on him as some people. I think he'll be good but Tan Tom said Orndorff is still beating him in the room. Orndorff is a one-time AA heading into his 7th year in college; he's good but there is wide gulf between him and the top 4 guys. His best loss to Steveson, Kerk, Cass and Parris was 8pts to Kerk (10-2). If they throw Feldman out there against Kerk, Cass or Parris I think it will be ugly.
Once upon a time Cyler Sanderson bullied David Taylor all over the mat. That didn't seem to be much of an indicator of what lay ahead for DT accomplishments. Feldman isn't going to be DT nor Snyder, but a true freshman not yet beating a tough and experienced D1 AA in the room is hardly a sign of recruiter regret.
 
Once upon a time Cyler Sanderson bullied David Taylor all over the mat. That didn't seem to be much of an indicator of what lay ahead for DT accomplishments. Feldman isn't going to be DT nor Snyder, but a true freshman not yet beating a tough and experienced D1 AA in the room is hardly a sign of recruiter regret.
Agreed there is a period of adjustment but Feldman was considered a pretty college ready wrestler. Especially physically, he isn't going to get much bigger (certainly doesn't have the frame to get to 240 or anything) He beat the Hofstra Heavy 10-3 (2x NQ) at Clarion last year which indicated he might be pretty college ready. He was also physically manhandling very good high school kids.

I candidly thought he would be able to beat Orndorff by now. Not a huge deal but he doesn't have the trajectory of DT and/or Snyder (and that's okay, you said that yourself)
 
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Agreed there is a period of adjustment but Feldman was considered a pretty college ready wrestler. Especially physically, he isn't going to get much bigger (certainly doesn't have the frame to get to 240 or anything) He beat the Hofstra Heavy 10-3 (2x AA) at Clarion last year which indicated he might be pretty college ready. He was also physically manhandling very good high school kids.

I candidly thought he would be able to beat Orndorff by now. Not a huge deal but he doesn't have the trajectory of DT and/or Snyder (and that's okay, you said that yourself)
Feldman's good, but a little overrated. The current heavyweight class is not as good as it was a few years ago. I think Feldman benefitted from Jimmy Mullen being way overrated so it made his domination of Mullen look better than it was. I don't think he's as good a prospect as any of the Gable (duh), Kerk, Cass, Parris, Schultz group.

I still think he can win a title or 2 because none of his peers are that good either. I just think he won't be in contention until the above group clears out. Kueter is the guy in this class I could see making a big jump because of the freak athleticism, but football could easily hamper his development too.
 
A little surprised Cornell is only 8th, when Yianni & Vito alone are a lock for 32-36 points per these rankings.
 
A little surprised Cornell is only 8th, when Yianni & Vito alone are a lock for 32-36 points per these rankings.
The rest of their team is projected to score less than 10 points combined according to these rankings. Loew is the only other guy who scores more than a point or two.
 
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Once upon a time Cyler Sanderson bullied David Taylor all over the mat. That didn't seem to be much of an indicator of what lay ahead for DT accomplishments. Feldman isn't going to be DT nor Snyder, but a true freshman not yet beating a tough and experienced D1 AA in the room is hardly a sign of recruiter regret.
2 months after that, DT was majoring Cyler in the room.
 
Are you saying what i think you are saying?

Throw out Kerk's injury year, where he got the medical ok littlerally the final day, and then entered Bigs with hardly any conditioning. The trajectory is quite clear. In that 3-way medley, Kerk 'has the largest margin of victory' going forward.
Going forward, yes, I agree, but we're talking historically.
 
Are you saying what i think you are saying?

Throw out Kerk's injury year, where he got the medical ok littlerally the final day, and then entered Bigs with hardly any conditioning. The trajectory is quite clear. In that 3-way medley, Kerk 'has the largest margin of victory' going forward.

And word was Parris was banged up last year. Kerk’s our guy, but the trajectory is anything but “clear”.
 
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Feldman's good, but a little overrated. The current heavyweight class is not as good as it was a few years ago. I think Feldman benefitted from Jimmy Mullen being way overrated so it made his domination of Mullen look better than it was. I don't think he's as good a prospect as any of the Gable (duh), Kerk, Cass, Parris, Schultz group.

I still think he can win a title or 2 because none of his peers are that good either. I just think he won't be in contention until the above group clears out. Kueter is the guy in this class I could see making a big jump because of the freak athleticism, but football could easily hamper his development too.
Overrated by who? Kueter, that dude sure can leg lace a running back.
 
I have to agree with my padawan here. TNT aren't in the same zip code as Zeke when it comes to Duckville.

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165 is such an incredibly deep weight class, Facundo has his work cut out for him. There may be a few talented guys missing the podium.
 
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Feldman's good, but a little overrated. The current heavyweight class is not as good as it was a few years ago. I think Feldman benefitted from Jimmy Mullen being way overrated so it made his domination of Mullen look better than it was. I don't think he's as good a prospect as any of the Gable (duh), Kerk, Cass, Parris, Schultz group.

I still think he can win a title or 2 because none of his peers are that good either. I just think he won't be in contention until the above group clears out. Kueter is the guy in this class I could see making a big jump because of the freak athleticism, but football could easily hamper his development too.
Not as good as it was a few years ago??

Do you realize how many World TITLES/ medals we have in the Hwy class this year??

Show me this class you think compares to this one cuz I cant remember one coming CLOSE.
 
Not as good as it was a few years ago??

Do you realize how many World TITLES/ medals we have in the Hwy class this year??

Show me this class you think compares to this one cuz I cant remember one coming CLOSE.
Pretty sure he is talking the high school class and freshmen class that Feldman is apart of. The top guys are Feldman, Mullen, and Hopke which are good but probably not as good as Kerk, Gable, Cass, Schultz and Parris. Those 5 have a ton of world titles
 
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Not as good as it was a few years ago??

Do you realize how many World TITLES/ medals we have in the Hwy class this year??

Show me this class you think compares to this one cuz I cant remember one coming CLOSE.
He’s comparing recent HS classes vs the classes that produced Kerk and Schultz, for example.
 
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165 is such an incredibly deep weight class, Facundo has his work cut out for him. There may be a few talented guys missing the podium.
So deep! Definitely the toughest weight this year. I think O’Toole is the favorite but I could see Carr, Griffith, Hamiti, and Karchla all winning it as well. I see Facundo as an AA but probably 6-8th. Crazy weight class that will be super fun to watch
 
Feldman's good, but a little overrated. The current heavyweight class is not as good as it was a few years ago. I think Feldman benefitted from Jimmy Mullen being way overrated so it made his domination of Mullen look better than it was. I don't think he's as good a prospect as any of the Gable (duh), Kerk, Cass, Parris, Schultz group.

I still think he can win a title or 2 because none of his peers are that good either. I just think he won't be in contention until the above group clears out. Kueter is the guy in this class I could see making a big jump because of the freak athleticism, but football could easily hamper his development too.
I think it's fair that the next batch of HWTs isn't as good as the current batch, individually and as a group.

Not sure how Mullen became "way overrated" given he's a silver medalist abroad and (except Feldman) dominant at home. I don't think he's Kerk, but do think he's capable of being an NCAA finalist given where HWT will be in a few years.

IMO the hype machine veered out of control when Feldman beat one decent wrestler and a couple stiffs at that Open last year. None were remotely Orndorff, let alone Kerk or Cass or Parris. But suddenly he was the next Snyder. Feldman is very good, but come on.
 
I think it's fair that the next batch of HWTs isn't as good as the current batch, individually and as a group.

Not sure how Mullen became "way overrated" given he's a silver medalist abroad and (except Feldman) dominant at home. I don't think he's Kerk, but do think he's capable of being an NCAA finalist given where HWT will be in a few years.

IMO the hype machine veered out of control when Feldman beat one decent wrestler and a couple stiffs at that Open last year. None were remotely Orndorff, let alone Kerk or Cass or Parris. But suddenly he was the next Snyder. Feldman is very good, but come on.
I completely agree. I think that if Kueter focuses on wrestling he will end up better than Feldman but that is unlikely. I also feel that Carroll has a great chance and maybe I’m a homer but if Mullen or Hopke end up at PSU I think they end up better than Feldman as well.
 
As far as heavyweight goes it appears Fricchione is Cael's pick. Hopefully the kid is a Cassar do over.
 
Not as good as it was a few years ago??

Do you realize how many World TITLES/ medals we have in the Hwy class this year??

Show me this class you think compares to this one cuz I cant remember one coming CLOSE.
talking about the current high school crop compared to the elite college guys we have now.
 
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As far as heavyweight goes it appears Fricchione is Cael's pick. Hopefully the kid is a Cassar do over.
i would be pretty surprised if cael was satisfied with that. that screams "dream school" walk on. don't think he was a top target for penn state. nothing stopping him from developing, but i think he'll have some higher touted competition.
 
Has Kerk been healthy at any time? I’ll call that even.
On one hand, that seems to be a fair point. On the other, is it realistic to ever expect a healthy Kerk? I love the guy (boxes all checked for guts, athleticism, class, etc.) . . . but if I’m being objective, I kind of have to expect some physical ailment will always be in play for him. And it did seem like something was off with Parris last season, so I can buy into him narrowing the apparent gap if he comes back 90-100% right.

That said, I’m still a Kerk chearleader. Man, that dude is frickin’ talented.
 
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