Rating of position group specific recruiting under CJF?

[Ranger Dan]

We’ve really done a great job recruiting under CJF, but wondering which position groups have faired beter than others. Without crunching numbers, I think RB and WR have likely led, maybe add DE to that list. LB is fantastic as of late. How would you rate the recruiting of each position group?

 

[danvillenit]

Imo the DB recruiting has been lacking the past four years. I believe Wade is the only top 15 DB recruit we have gotten since maybe Reid. Franklin has gotten some solid performance from less heralded guys in the past and he will need it to continue.

 

[Texas Lion]

you either have to recruit it or develop it and for me the DB have been developed quite well. AO will be a high draft choice, Reid would have been had it not been for the knee....TCF is a solid starter and I have been impressed before he got hurt with D. Johnson.

 

[danvillenit]

you either have to recruit it or develop it and for me the DB have been developed quite well. AO will be a high draft choice, Reid would have been had it not been for the knee....TCF is a solid starter and I have been impressed before he got hurt with D. Johnson.

Reid and Taylor are both 5th year guys. TCF and Sutherland look like they will be decent. The rest of the group who knows.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

We’ve really done a great job recruiting under CJF, but wondering which position groups have faired beter than others. Without crunching numbers, I think RB and WR have likely led, maybe add DE to that list. LB is fantastic as of late. How would you rate the recruiting of each position group?

If you do overall since he has gotten here by group, it's been pretty good. We are right there behind in Bama and UGa in terms of blue chip recruits in 2018 minus a full boat of 25.

QB B+ Trace was great for sure, but there is room here still to get better IMO.
RB A+ Just an insane job here year after year. Barkely, Sanders, Brown, Slade, Ford, Cain!!
OL B- Some really good pickups, but outside of Walker and Fries...OT has been a bit tricky.
TE A Again just some very talented players and the depth and talent in that room right now is pretty good.
WR B+ Part of this is jaded by the drops and performance last year, but there is no doubt he got some talent in last years class. 2 FL kids this year.

DE B+ Some highly talented kids. Matos is the guy ready to explode on the national scene this year.
DT C+ A couple of 4 star guys last year and this year, but it was a position he struggled with in his first 2 years for sure.
LB A- Again he struggled in the first year or two, but man oh man did he make up for it the last 2-3 years. A very athletic young group is there.
CB B+ Just a spot where Joe and the old staff struggled, instant upgrades to athleticism out there.
S B- I think this could be seen as generous, but I like Brisker a lot. Sunderland can be that thumper. Still room to improve here for sure.

Just My Opinion here...some may be higher or lower than my marks.

 

[Ranger Dan]

WR B+ Part of this is jaded by the drops and performance last year,

This is recruiting, not performance or development...

 

[LaJolla Lion]

This is recruiting, not performance or development...

B+ is still fair there I think, maybe an A- just on recruiting. First 2-3 years were ok in terms of ****'s, but not like last year overall.

 

[danvillenit]

LaJolla, I like your ratings except I would go a notch or two lower on the CBs and Safety. They’ve recruited numbers but not elite guys like some other positions. They’ve developed guys like Haley, Campbell, AO, TCF, etc but recruiting outside of Wade has been very average compared to other top programs

 

[Raffycorn]

LaJolla, I like your ratings except I would go a notch or two lower on the CBs and Safety. They’ve recruited numbers but not elite guys like some other positions. They’ve developed guys like Haley, Campbell, AO, TCF, etc but recruiting outside of Wade has been very average compared to other top programs

I don’t know if Castro-Fields fits in that group. He was a genuine four star player.

 

[fkkkjm]

If a kid comes in and plays well...… was he a great athlete the program recruited? Or was he a "meh" who they "developed"?


[I hope you recognize the rhetorical nature of the questions(s)]

Agreed- If we can only use recruiting services ratings to judge the positions groups, then this is a pretty stupid topic. Just look up all of the ratings since Franklin got here and average it out. Not subjective at all then.

 

[BBrown]

We’ve really done a great job recruiting under CJF, but wondering which position groups have faired beter than others. Without crunching numbers, I think RB and WR have likely led, maybe add DE to that list. LB is fantastic as of late. How would you rate the recruiting of each position group?

I think you pretty much nailed it.
I would also add QB's to the list.

 

[BBrown]

Imo the DB recruiting has been lacking the past four years. I believe Wade is the only top 15 DB recruit we have gotten since maybe Reid. Franklin has gotten some solid performance from less heralded guys in the past and he will need it to continue.

TCF has to be in there, he's pretty good.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

LaJolla, I like your ratings except I would go a notch or two lower on the CBs and Safety. They’ve recruited numbers but not elite guys like some other positions. They’ve developed guys like Haley, Campbell, AO, TCF, etc but recruiting outside of Wade has been very average compared to other top programs

I think you're a bit off there to be honest when you compare it to where PSU came from in DB recruiting.

2019 4 stars Rudolph and Ellis consensus 4 stars. Rudolph could end up at safety. Porter and Brisker were 4 star guys on 247 composite. Then you still have Wilson who had great offers and Hardy.
2018 Gordon and Miner were both 4 star guys...again this is recruiting according to RD.
2017 Donovan Johnson, TCF, and Sunderland were all 4 star guys and Wade a 5 star on this site.

You can compare that to ANY 3 year stretch since 2000 and you won't find that talent at DB. TCF, Wade, DJ, Rudolph, and Wilson all had the offers to back it up. Going back further you still had Reid and Amani O...nevermind Haley who actually did quite well for himself in the league this year. Maybe at safety you can take it down to a C, but overall the DB recruiting now is just way better overall than it has been. There is room to get better, hence no A's there, but I'm more than fine with what they are getting there.

 

[danvillenit]

TCF has to be in there, he's pretty good.

He was a good recruit, but not a top 15. He was the 26th ranked Safety

 

[danvillenit]

I think you're a bit off there to be honest when you compare it to where PSU came from in DB recruiting.

2019 4 stars Rudolph and Ellis consensus 4 stars. Rudolph could end up at safety. Porter and Brisker were 4 star guys on 247 composite. Then you still have Wilson who had great offers and Hardy.
2018 Gordon and Miner were both 4 star guys...again this is recruiting according to RD.
2017 Donovan Johnson, TCF, and Sunderland were all 4 star guys and Wade a 5 star on this site.

You can compare that to ANY 3 year stretch since 2000 and you won't find that talent at DB. TCF, Wade, DJ, Rudolph, and Wilson all had the offers to back it up. Going back further you still had Reid and Amani O...nevermind Haley who actually did quite well for himself in the league this year. Maybe at safety you can take it down to a C, but overall the DB recruiting now is just way better overall than it has been. There is room to get better, hence no A's there, but I'm more than fine with what they are getting there.

I honestly wasn’t comparing to the past 20 years but to current top 10 teams. I think everyone agrees we need to shore up DT and OT. It seems I am in the minority on DBs.

 

[Raffycorn]

He was a good recruit, but not a top 15. He was the 26th ranked Safety

Who considered TCF a safety? 247 had him as the #26 corner, and #236 overall. They had Reid as #18 corner and #156 overall. They were both solid four star recruits, though, which is the more important point.

 

[danvillenit]

Who considered TCF a safety? 247 had him as the #26 corner, and #236 overall. They had Reid as #18 corner and #156 overall. They were both solid four star recruits, though, which is the more important point.

Sorry. CB

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I honestly wasn’t comparing to the past 20 years but to current top 10 teams. I think everyone agrees we need to shore up DT and OT. It seems I am in the minority on DBs.

There is a chance Amani O goes in the first 2 rounds in this draft. Reid is another guy I didn't even mention. I see what you're saying in terms of Bama, tOSU, and LSU who routinely churn out freaks at DB, but we are working to get there. Let's put it like this I fully expect a DB or two to get drafted in they are eligible moving forward. I cannot say that was the case for PSU on an annual basis. I agree there is certain room to grow, but I also think CJF has really upgraded PSU there already.

 

[canuckhal]

I don't know how you dissociate recruiting from performance considering you recruit for performance and you can't say whether he missed or hit until several years down the road. If a lower ranked player is developed into a very good player, it seems to me that Franklin recognized the potential of the kid and he was probably underrated.

Further, how do evaluate whether Franklin did well in recruiting? One way is to look solely at stars, which frankly probably isn't the best measure, especially with all the bitching that Rivals under values PSU recruits. And then which stars, if one site ranks the kid a 3 and another 4.

Another way is to look at need. Has Franklin done a good job managing the number of scholarships by position. If you look at the situation he inherited, particular on the OL, he has done an excellent job, except at DT and LB early on. I would answer the OP using this metric. This class has filled most of the needs, especially in light of all the potential transfers. However, had Franklin known about all the transfers, I'm sure that he would have liked to have signed more recruits in Dec. I guess that is on him for not planning for this reality, so I'll knock him down from a A to an A-.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Agreed- If we can only use recruiting services ratings to judge the positions groups, then this is a pretty stupid topic. Just look up all of the ratings since Franklin got here and average it out. Not subjective at all then.

Except that there isn’t a position group by position group rank or score that is aware of