Ray Blehar....MM caught in lie?

[Connorpozlee]

Or it happened a different night? Say on a Thursday and he waited a day?

That certainly wouldn't look good for the prosecution that he waited an entire day before addressing it.

I can't see Dranov lying about the interaction though. Why put yourself through all this when you add very little anyway?

That’s fine if he waited a day. But if that’s the case, he’s been lying all along about meeting his father that night. If he did meet his father that night, then he is lying to Esbach in the email, which raises the serious question of what else he may be lying about and how far he may be willing to go to protect himself.
Either way, it’s not good for him.

 

[denniskembala]

The Joker throws money away, or in our case "Jokers"

 

[Adlee73]

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Speechless.

Remember several times Joe and the PSU3 struggled to remember whether someone was physically at the meeting or there by phone. Most likely scenario is John McQueary was there by phone.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

But MM is a liar so you can't believe what he said in the e-mail.

You still don't get it, do you? It's not what McQueary said (although that is surely interesting). It's what ESHBACH said.

She basically said in writing that the GJP is a lie.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

What is the significance of this? I'm not getting it.

There isn't much of one to be honest at this point in time, but I'm sure some will carry on as if this is fire from the stone age.

 

[AldenT]

You still don't get it, do you? It's not what McQueary said (although that is surely interesting). It's what ESHBACH said.

She basically said in writing that the GJP is a lie.

Nothing will come of this. Of course it's a huge deal, but nothing will change, no media will pay attention....hell PSU won't even care. It was all a lie and it worked like a charm.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Nothing will come of this. Of course it's a huge deal, but nothing will change, no media will pay attention....hell PSU won't even care. It was all a lie and it worked like a charm.

If she ever runs for office again, and I'm her opponent, I would certainly bring this up. I live in New York, but you can bet your bottom dollar this email will be given to her future opponent somehow.

I can't believe some politician in the future can't make some major political hay with this down the road.

 

[AldenT]

If she ever runs for office again, and I'm her opponent, I would certainly bring this up. I live in New York, but you can bet your bottom dollar this email will be given to her future opponent somehow.

I can't believe some politician in the future can't make some major political hay with this down the road.

So....nothing.

We are in agreement about its substance, about its meaning as yet another piece in this house of cards, but if that's all it means, then it means nothing.

 

[green2623]

At this point I have to wonder about the myths I am coexisting with. We are innocent until proven guilty. We live in a democracy. Everyone in jail is guilty. WTF!

This is upside down and the "good" sheeps are following Alice and Lewis down a rabbit hole.

Does anybody in Pa. belong in jail? Holy shit, just throw them in jail if they offend you, or spank the misdirected children. This culture problem has nothing to do with ethics and morality, and has everything to do with money, power and the 'Ewing' family, in Pennsylvania. Prosecutorial misconduct appears to be the modus operandi in shaping a democracy.

Just ****in' unbelievable. BURN IT DOWN!! Free the innocence!

 

[berkland4]

Yeah. Could be housing. Could be research money. Could be lots of things. Probably not State College level money, either. Or, State College level players. Been saying that latter part all along.

It was a $30M donation from Donald Bellisario to the College of Communications.

 

[MtNittany]

Yeah. I have no doubt that Sandusky was a pedophile...

What clinched that for you? The DNA evidence? The eye-witness accounts? All the porn on his computer?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

What clinched that for you? The DNA evidence? The eye-witness accounts? All the porn on his computer?

For me it was AM flipping for a mere $7 million dollars. Who in their right mind would sell out for chump change like that?????

 

[psualt]

You still don't get it, do you? It's not what McQueary said (although that is surely interesting). It's what ESHBACH said.

She basically said in writing that the GJP is a lie.

Mcq is clearly a liar but your continued posting that Eshbach is referring to the GJP doesn't have to be true just because you keep repeating it. She can just as easily be referring to the media which Mcq mentioned in the email.

 

[rmb297]

Yeah - that's truly "WTF" territory. Honestly - that's disbarment level stuff.

Blehar totally buries the lead there. MM's words in the e-mail are insignificant vs. Eshbach's.

Huh.

Isn't Penn State still appealing the whistleblower case? Seems this would be of use to them

Settled for $9.5 million -- so I've heard.

 

[Bob78]

You still don't get it, do you? It's not what McQueary said (although that is surely interesting). It's what ESHBACH said.

She basically said in writing that the GJP is a lie.

And she testified to that same thing in the McQ hearing (I think). EDIT: It was at JS's PCRA hearing. So she is on record a couple of times acknowledging that she lied in the GJP about 'anal rape'. Now it seems as though she lied about other details as well, based on this email exchange.

The phrase 'anal rape' was the ignition to the entire dumpster fire, and the phrase was fabricated.

As others have pointed out, though the GJP was written by her, no doubt Fina was micromanaging the effort.

That all is kind of big deal, imo. Not sure why some are questioning that. It's the 'ground zero' for the entire mess landing on PSU's doorstep, and on JVP's head. And very few who have paid attention to the entire affair think that has been fair to even a small extent. Those who have paid attention to headlines and soundbites, well, they are following this huge red herring as if it is gospel. That's also a big deal, imo.

 

[psuro]

It bears repeating - Hollywood could not come up with a fantasy script like this one.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

What clinched that for you? The DNA evidence? The eye-witness accounts? All the porn on his computer?

8 victims as adults testifying he did this to them as kids and he had no defense for it. It's normal for 50 year old men to keep getting little boys alone over and over again...sure it is. Hey most men blow rasperries on 12 year old boys stomachs and admit to it. Most men when told to stop showering with kids after being investigated for abuse just keep on doing it. Just keep telling yourself that as the reality is a bit hard to deal with for some.

I guess before the internet no predators ever existed....brilliant analysis there. I love the DNA angle as most kids know to take seaman samples....another brilliant one there. Hey maybe you can post that pic of AF again on the bed as I can't believe it hasn't gotten Jerry out of jail yet...shocking as that must mean Jerry was framed.

 

[Mixolydian]

Mcq is clearly a liar but your continued posting that Eshbach is referring to the GJP doesn't have to be true just because you keep repeating it. She can just as easily be referring to the media which Mcq mentioned in the email.

Ummmmm....the media was basically repeating what was in the GJP. They didn’t have anything else on the date of that email.

 

[psualt]

Ummmmm....the media was basically repeating what was in the GJP. They didn’t have anything else on the date of that email.

I'm not saying she didn't lie. I'm saying this doesn't say she lied. Big difference

 

[LundyPSU]

Eshbach seems to be referring to inaccurate reporting, not the GJP.

Not clear in Mike's email whether is he referring to his dad or JVP being out of town.

 

[Bob78]

I'm not saying she didn't lie. I'm saying this doesn't say she lied. Big difference

This email exchange does indeed make clear that she acknowledges the lies in the GJP. She also testified - under oath - that her written GJP reference to 'anal rape' was a fabrication.
So not sure what else we need to see to confirm that she lied.

And the results from those lies were monumental.

 

[Bob78]

Eshbach seems to be referring to inaccurate reporting, not the GJP.

Not clear in Mike's email whether is he referring to his dad or JVP being out of town.

I disagree, but what is clear is her telling McQ to keep quiet about the inaccuracies .... aka covering it up.

That's a big deal, and it is something no one at PSU even hinted at to him.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Mcq is clearly a liar but your continued posting that Eshbach is referring to the GJP doesn't have to be true just because you keep repeating it. She can just as easily be referring to the media which Mcq mentioned in the email.

HAAA! Where do you think the "media" got their narrative? From outer space???

 

[Mixolydian]

Eshbach seems to be referring to inaccurate reporting, not the GJP.

Not clear in Mike's email whether is he referring to his dad or JVP being out of town.

Maybe. Coupled with MM’s other email specifically regarding the GJP, I am not so sure what the distinction between the GJP and what was being reported prior to 11/10/11 really is.

 

[rmb297]

Mcq is clearly a liar but your continued posting that Eshbach is referring to the GJP doesn't have to be true just because you keep repeating it. She can just as easily be referring to the media which Mcq mentioned in the email.

In Mike's 3:10 PM email to Eshbach, he asked if he could make a statement to clarify the information in the grand jury presentment.

Eshbach's response back to Mike was at 7:53 PM, stating he could not.

 

[LundyPSU]

Maybe. Coupled with MM’s other email specifically regarding the GJP, I am not so sure what the distinction between the GJP and what was being reported prior to 11/10/11 really is.

Mike was getting hammered, so of course the story starts to change. There were plenty of stories about JS being around practice and facilities with kids after the MM incident. That was one of things being reported that Mike was trying to correct. It was also reported that Mike and his dad met with JVP, which was what he was trying to correct, as well.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

8 victims as adults testifying he did this to them as kids and he had no defense for it. It's normal for 50 year old men to keep getting little boys alone over and over again...sure it is. Hey most men blow rasperries on 12 year old boys stomachs and admit to it. Most men when told to stop showering with kids after being investigated for abuse just keep on doing it. Just keep telling yourself that as the reality is a bit hard to deal with for some.

I guess before the internet no predators ever existed....brilliant analysis there. I love the DNA angle as most kids know to take seaman samples....another brilliant one there. Hey maybe you can post that pic of AF again on the bed as I can't believe it hasn't gotten Jerry out of jail yet...shocking as that must mean Jerry was framed.

Ya. And as adults, they went from sending Jerry Father's Day cards, and writing to the Pennsylvania State AG what a good guy he was, to collecting millions and millions of dollars.

 

[pandaczar12]

What clinched that for you? The DNA evidence? The eye-witness accounts? All the porn on his computer?

What clinched it for me was when he was found guilty because he obviously did it. I know he obviously did it because he was found guilty.

The truth is, there isn't enough information for anyone to KNOW if he committed the crimes or not... sure we can have an opinion based on the outcome of a sham trial and a bunch of assumption, but it's crazy the way people post SSDD to defend their opinion.

It bears repeating - Hollywood could not come up with a fantasy script like this one.

Speaking of Hollywood... someone needs to forward this to HBO.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Ya. And as adults, they went from sending Jerry Father's Day cards, and writing to the Pennsylvania State AG what a good guy he was, to collecting millions and millions of dollars.

The thing you don't get is that is not out of the norm for victims of abuse. Some victims have their abuser walk them down the aisle or stay in touch with them. I know it sounds like a great talking point, but just google it and you'll see it is not out of the norm for victims of abuse. I don't understand the psychology of it, most normal people don't, but hey...you really showed me. Let me guess those studies and Doc's were all lying as they were in on this too...that must be it. What a wide net of people who were all out to take down Jerry. What a victim Jerry is....not the kids he molested.

Funny thing how people believe what they want to...myself included as we are all human. Some people are are convinced it wasn't one shooter and the Vegas PD/FBI is lying. Hell there was a PSU fan on the test board stating Sandy Hook didn't happen as it was a conspiracy to bring down the NRA or some BS like that. So I'm not shocked anymore when it comes to online conspiracy theories and that is all this crap is IMO as I do think Jerry loved touching the little boys. Maybe someday the victims all say they lied and he never touched them....but I have by doubts there. I think it's a bit more realistic to believe the man wasn't the saint he tried to portray himself as in order to prey on the weakest kids from the weakest homes.

 

[getmyjive11]

You all need to understand that the key part in all of this is Joe’s testimony which confirmed that Mike told him something of a sexual nature occurred. The GJP didn’t sink Jerry, it was Joe’s testimony verifying Mike’s. You all are getting worked up over something that ultimately doesn’t matter.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

ooh, looks like the checks cleared for the Obfuscation Brigade, here they come marching in to constantly move the goalposts. . .

 

[BUFFALO LION]

The thing you don't get is that is not out of the norm for victims of abuse. Some victims have their abuser walk them down the aisle or stay in touch with them. I know it sounds like a great talking point, but just google it and you'll see it is not out of the norm for victims of abuse. I don't understand the psychology of it, most normal people don't, but hey...you really showed me. Let me guess those studies and Doc's were all lying as they were in on this too...that must be it. What a wide net of people who were all out to take down Jerry. What a victim Jerry is....not the kids he molested.

What would it take for you to write a letter to the Attorney General of your State vouching for a suspected criminal? Especially if you are a Marine?

 

[psuro]

You all need to understand that the key part in all of this is Joe’s testimony which confirmed that Mike told him something of a sexual nature occurred. The GJP didn’t sink Jerry, it was Joe’s testimony verifying Mike’s. You all are getting worked up over something that ultimately doesn’t matter.

You are smoking crack. Joe was a very small pawn in all of this, and when he made his GJP, he didn't know what to call the act that MM fabricated he saw and then told Joe an - admittedly-watered down version of it.

And, if it really WAS Joe's GJP, then why was he vilified by the very people who he just helped?

Sorry, your premise lacks logic.

Edit - you are making the same mistake that the less knowledgeable are making - you assume because Joe was a prominent person in the University (which he was), and that he was the head football coach (which he was), that he is a key role in the entire Sandusky matter (which he is not).

 

[LaJolla Lion]

What would it take for you to write a letter to the Attorney General of your State vouching for a suspected criminal? Especially if you are a Marine?

Did that marine testify at Jerry's trial? 8 of his victims did and they are why he is in jail. Jerry did it...sorry you cannot handle it or don't want to believe it. Hell Charlie Sheen and Jesse Ventura stated 911 didn't happen...so you aren't alone with this stuff.

 

[AldenT]

The thing you don't get is that is not out of the norm for victims of abuse. Some victims have their abuser walk them down the aisle or stay in touch with them. I know it sounds like a great talking point, but just google it and you'll see it is not out of the norm for victims of abuse. I don't understand the psychology of it, most normal people don't, but hey...you really showed me. Let me guess those studies and Doc's were all lying as they were in on this too...that must be it. What a wide net of people who were all out to take down Jerry. What a victim Jerry is....not the kids he molested.

Funny thing how people believe what they want to...myself included as we are all human. Some people are are convinced it wasn't one shooter and the Vegas PD/FBI is lying. Hell there was a PSU fan on the test board stating Sandy Hook didn't happen as it was a conspiracy to bring down the NRA or some BS like that. So I'm not shocked anymore when it comes to online conspiracy theories and that is all this crap is IMO as I do think Jerry loved touching the little boys. Maybe someday the victims all say they lied and he never touched them....but I have by doubts there. I think it's a bit more realistic to believe the man wasn't the saint he tried to portray himself as in order to prey on the weakest kids from the weakest homes.

Jerry can be guilty and be right where he belongs, and the narrative laid out by the prosecutors and dispensed by the media of this being a "PSU football scandal" can still be complete bullshit. It's not an either/or.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Jerry can be guilty and be right where he belongs, and the narrative laid out by the prosecutors and dispensed by the media of this being a "PSU football scandal" can still be complete bullshit. It's not an either/or.

I didn't say otherwise. Who made it about PSU...the horrible leadership at the time that fired Joe via a note and then jumped on a grenade they didn't have to. You do realize you can say JS is guilty as sin and still see where PSU was drug through the mud due to horrible leadership and a national witch hunt driven by the media. Who hired Freeh and let him tell his fantasy without ever even reading it? I know it isn't either or...maybe you should talk to some others who feel if you say Jerry is a sick SOB...that you somehow hate PSU or some other BS they come up with?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Did that marine testify at Jerry's trial? 8 of his victims did and they are why he is in jail. Jerry did it...sorry you cannot handle it or don't want to believe it. Hell Charlie Sheen and Jesse Ventura stated 911 didn't happen...so you aren't alone with this stuff.

Nope. He was paid $7 million dollars to change his story and keep his mouth shut.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Nope. He was paid $7 million dollars to change his story and keep his mouth shut.

Thanks...didn't think so. So basically he had nothing to do with Jerry's trial which is why he is in prison. So in other words it's a BWI talking point that is irrelevant as to why Jerry is actually in prison, but throw in the money and you sound like a great defense lawyer lobbing that hail mary after the game has already ended.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I don’t get how this email turns into a debate about Jerry’s guilt/innocence. It’s like somebody pointing out it’s cloudy and others responding that it’s cold outside. One has nothing to do with the other.
This email is significant because it shows dishonesty on behalf of Esbach. And it calls into question Mike’s story of going to meet his father the night it happened. It seems perfectly possible that Mike’s story about what happened (he has now misremembered the year, and also when he saw his father) is seriously flawed.

 

[AldenT]

I didn't say otherwise. Who made it about PSU...the horrible leadership at the time that fired Joe via a note and then jumped on a grenade they didn't have to. You do realize you can say JS is guilty as sin and still see where PSU was drug through the mud due to horrible leadership and a national witch hunt driven by the media. Who hired Freeh and let him tell his fantasy without ever even reading it? I know it isn't either or...maybe you should talk to some others who feel if you say Jerry is a sick SOB...that you somehow hate PSU or some other BS they come up with?

Yes I agree PSU is culpable; they're the ones who didn't bother to question this email and Mike's obvious lies in the first place. My question is why?

This email isn't about Jerry; it's about the bs narrative. And my larger issue is that it turned into this conversation in the first place. You or I are guilty by association for the crime of supporting our football team. I have to watch my father, who has never hurt a fly, get accosted at an away game and asked if he rapes his grandson. Joe is forever tarnished for the crime of doing exactly what NCAA and legal rules compelled him to. It makes no f**king sense. Why?