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Ray's on board: The NCAA's statement claiming "total victory" in the Paterno lawsuit is delusional

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Ray's on board......

The NCAA's statement claiming "total victory" in the Paterno lawsuit is delusional and not supported by the evidence on the public record.


link: http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2017/07/ncaa-statement-ignores-evidence-again.html
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response to the NCAA’s statement, Sue Paterno called the NCAA’s assertions “absurd” and noted that it is the NCAA who is insistent on keeping the full facts of the case from becoming a matter of public record. She challenged the NCAA to make discovery available for public inspection.


History and all of the evidence remain firmly behind Sue Paterno."


Thanks again Ray and the many others or the effort over the last six years.
 
The Paterno family WASTED 5 YEARS suing the wrong entity (they should have sued either PSU or Louis Freeh).

People who waste 5 years generally don't get to write the history books.

Suing the NCAA was a drastic miscalculation and a huge self-inflicted error on the part of the Paterno family.
 
The Paterno family WASTED 5 YEARS suing the wrong entity (they should have sued either PSU or Louis Freeh).

People who waste 5 years generally don't get to write the history books.

Suing the NCAA was a drastic miscalculation and a huge self-inflicted error on the part of the Paterno family.

i do agree with that. The NCAA only had to show that it was PSU and their surrogate, Freeh, that did the damage. The NCAA just went along with the parade.

And, having said that, almost impossible to clear Joe even though nobody knows what Joe did wrong.

Good news is that Joe taught that you don't have to please anyone else. you are only defined by what you do and what you think of yourself and family. Screw everyone else.
 
i do agree with that. The NCAA only had to show that it was PSU and their surrogate, Freeh, that did the damage. The NCAA just went along with the parade.

And, having said that, almost impossible to clear Joe even though nobody knows what Joe did wrong.

Good news is that Joe taught that you don't have to please anyone else. you are only defined by what you do and what you think of yourself and family. Screw everyone else.

there's only one clear problem with that: the NCAA has basically launched a PR campaign to distract people from the fact THEY ACCEPTED the Freeh report at face value (thanks Rodney!) rather than follow their own f**king membership rules and conduct an independent investigation.

but I believe the emails clearly show the NCAA wanted to hammer Penn State from a PR stand point, so they did not want to conduct an independent investigation they knew would find no LOIC.
 
i do agree with that. The NCAA only had to show that it was PSU and their surrogate, Freeh, that did the damage. The NCAA just went along with the parade.

And, having said that, almost impossible to clear Joe even though nobody knows what Joe did wrong.

Good news is that Joe taught that you don't have to please anyone else. you are only defined by what you do and what you think of yourself and family. Screw everyone else.
I like your new sig..the "pride" on the hunt
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What a timely reply. This could have at least been released immediately.
 
there's only one clear problem with that: the NCAA has basically launched a PR campaign to distract people from the fact THEY ACCEPTED the Freeh report at face value (thanks Rodney!) rather than follow their own f**king membership rules and conduct an independent investigation.

but I believe the emails clearly show the NCAA wanted to hammer Penn State from a PR stand point, so they did not want to conduct an independent investigation they knew would find no LOIC.

yep...but the NCAA did a lot of damage to themselves in the PSU mess. I don't know of too many people that defend the NCAA on this. The beneficiaries of that are Miami, Baylor and NC State. The NCAA learned their lesson and simply no longer get involved.

But that doesn't and didn't help the Paterno's or PSU. I was appalled by the NCAA's statement. Why twist the knife? Shows how much they hated PSU for running a program cleaner than the NCAA.
 
The Paterno family WASTED 5 YEARS suing the wrong entity (they should have sued either PSU or Louis Freeh).

People who waste 5 years generally don't get to write the history books.

Suing the NCAA was a drastic miscalculation and a huge self-inflicted error on the part of the Paterno family.
Do you really think that the Paterno family and their counsel didn't understand that the better defendant was Penn State? It is blatantly obvious (but apparently not to you) that Sue simply did not WANT to sue Penn State. The Paterno family took the calculated risk that they could accomplish the same objective (not money or even victory, but rather revealing through civil discovery what occurred behind the scenes between and among Penn State, Freeh, the NCAA, etc.) without suing Penn State itself.
 
The Paterno family WASTED 5 YEARS suing the wrong entity (they should have sued either PSU or Louis Freeh).

People who waste 5 years generally don't get to write the history books.

Suing the NCAA was a drastic miscalculation and a huge self-inflicted error on the part of the Paterno family.

Though I agree with you that suing the NCAA was the wrong tactic...they still did not come through this unscathed.

No matter how you look at it...they were forced to pull back on their draconian like sanctions and I do believe their responses alone ( such as Remy's latest after the Paterno Suit dropped) does not bode well on them and just helps make it that much clearer that the Big Conferences need to create their own organization which watches over what happens within the competitive landscape.

Also...think about it...why was it necessary for the NCAA to make the various comments they have made ?

If you are truly confidant in how you are operating...then do you really need to make such statements?

Again...IMO...they are really feeling the heat..can't wait to see what happens...or does not happen with UNC , Baylor or even MSU now...
 
Do you really think that the Paterno family and their counsel didn't understand that the better defendant was Penn State? It is blatantly obvious (but apparently not to you) that Sue simply did not WANT to sue Penn State. The Paterno family took the calculated risk that they could accomplish the same objective (not money or even victory, but rather revealing through civil discovery what occurred behind the scenes between and among Penn State, Freeh, the NCAA, etc.) without suing Penn State itself.

That's fine.

But many folk (not me, FWIW) believe that PSU told Freeh what to write and basically framed Joe Paterno.

If THAT is the type of entity and the type of people you're dealing with, I think you need to go "all guns blazing" in terms of defending yourself.
 
Do you really think that the Paterno family and their counsel didn't understand that the better defendant was Penn State? It is blatantly obvious (but apparently not to you) that Sue simply did not WANT to sue Penn State. The Paterno family took the calculated risk that they could accomplish the same objective (not money or even victory, but rather revealing through civil discovery what occurred behind the scenes between and among Penn State, Freeh, the NCAA, etc.) without suing Penn State itself.

Be that as it may, this was misplaced loyalty on her part. What did Penn State ever do for the Paterno's? Nothing, but intentionally ruin their good name. If I'm her, I say F#ck Penn State.
 
Unfortunately, no matter how much we might want it to not be so (and as I have stated elsewhere):


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The NCAA's "victory statement" was a disgusting, bile-inducing bit of rhetoric.

That said, if folks are interested in this issue, they probably ought to read the original suit as it was filed in 2013 (or re-read it if they have not done so recently) ........ before deciding how much weight to apply to Slaten's interpretation.

https://www.scribd.com/…/144…/Joe-Paterno-s-family-sues-NCAA



The charges filed against the (incorrect) Defendants were:

Breach of Contract (2 Charges), Disparagement, Interference, Defamation, and Conspiracy.

Certainly, the final outcome did not include defeat of the Defendants - either in fact or in punishment - wrt any of those charges.

Nor were any of the proposed avenues of Relief (punishments against the Defendants) imposed.
It's a massive, bloody shame - IMO


We can argue about WHY that was the outcome.
We can become angered at the PERCIEVED INJUSTICE of the outcome.


But - we cannot wave a magic wand and make it NOT BE the outcome.


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Reviewing the 6 Charges:

The two Breach charges:

Similar language in each charge....essentially:

"The agreement between the NCAA and Penn State contains an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing that requires the NCAA and its officials to refrain from taking unlawful, arbitrary, capricious, or unreasonable actions that have the effect of depriving Plaintiffs of their rights under the agreement.
The NCAA materially breached its contractual obligations and violated the
implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing by,
among other things and in addition to the conduct described above, failing to afford Plaintiffs, as adversely affected individuals, “fairness” when acting in this matter."


Outcome:

AS SOME OF US "MENTIONED" (vociferously) at the time, while the "Corman Victory" was being "celebrated" by our BOT:

- In 180 degree opposition to these charges, the CD 2.0 (The "Corman Victory") mandated and documented that (and was agreed to by UNANIMOUS consent of the PSU BOT):

"...Penn State acknowledges the NCAA's legitimate and good faith interest and concern regarding the Jerry Sandusky matter..." (Compare this statement - UNANIMOUSLY CONFIRMED by the PSU BOT in the "Corman VIctory"....with the bolded portion of the allegations in the "Paterno Suit". Then Laugh or Cry....your choice :) )

Result of Charge? Defeat

The "Corman Victory" did more to defeat the "Paterno Suit" than any other event over the last 4 years.


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Interference Charge:

"As a direct and proximate result of the wrongful, arbitrary, capricious, and
unreasonable actions of Defendants, Plaintiffs have been unable to secure comparable employment opportunities in their chosen field.


As a direct and proximate result of these actions by Defendants, Plaintiffs have suffered economic loss, opportunity loss, reputational damage, emotional distress, and other damages."

Result of Charge? Defeat


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Disparagement Charge:

"The statements in the Consent Decree regarding Joe Paterno’s character and conduct were libel per se, because they imputed dishonest conduct to Joe Paterno.
These statements were widely disseminated by the NCAA, on its website and through numerous press outlets across the country.
Defendants either intended the publication of these statements to cause pecuniary loss or reasonably should have recognized that publication would result in pecuniary loss to the Estate and Family of Joe Paterno.
The Estate and Family of Joe Paterno did in fact suffer pecuniary loss,
reputational harm, and other damages, as a result of the publication of these statements due to the actions of third persons relying on the statements. The commercial interests and value of the Estate and Family of Joe Paterno substantially and materially declined as a direct result of Defendants’ conduct.
Defendants either knew that the statements they made and published were false or acted in reckless disregard of their falsity.
Defendants’ conduct was malicious and outrageous and showed a reckless
disregard for Joe Paterno’s rights."


Result of Charge? Defeat


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Defamation Charge:

"After the issuance of the Consent Decree, the NCAA and its officials, including
Emmert and Dr. Ray, stated that the issues they sought to address in the Consent Decree were “about the whole institution,” and that “the Freeh Report . . . revealed [matters] that suggest really inappropriate behavior at every level of the university.”
These and other statements were entirely unsupported by evidence and made with intentional, reckless, or negligent disregard for their truth.
The statements were published in the Consent Decree, which the NCAA
disseminated to the entire world on its website, or were made in front of large audiences and disseminated through national news media.
These statements concerned the members of the Penn State community. They
were false, defamatory, and irreparably harmed Plaintiffs’ reputations and lowered them in the estimation of the nation. Every recipient of the statements understood their defamatory meaning and understood that the Plaintiffs, individual members of the Penn State community between 1998 and 2011, were the objects of the communication.
The publication of the statements resulted in actual harm to Plaintiffs because it
adversely affected their reputations; caused them emotional distress, mental anguish, and humiliation; and inflicted financial and pecuniary loss on them.
The NCAA had no privilege to publish the false and defamatory statements, or if
it did, it abused that privilege."


Result of Charge? Defeat


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Conspiracy Charge:

"Among other things, Emmert, Dr. Ray, and other unknown NCAA employees, along with the Freeh firm, agreed to:

a. bypass the NCAA’s rules and procedural requirements in conducting the
Penn State investigation;
b. deprive Plaintiffs of their rights, including their rights to notice and an
opportunity to be heard, before imposing unprecedented sanctions; and
c. impose sanctions on Penn State based on an investigation that did not
consider whether Penn State had violated any of the NCAA’s rules.

Emmert, Dr. Ray, and other NCAA employees, along with the Freeh firm, acted with malice. They intended to injure Plaintiffs through their actions or acted in reckless disregard of Plaintiffs’ rights. They had no valid justification for their actions.

Emmert, Dr. Ray, and other NCAA employees, along with the Freeh firm,
performed a series of overt acts in furtherance of this conspiracy, including but not limited to the following:

a. the Executive Committee and Dr. Ray purported to grant Emmert
authority to investigate Penn State and impose sanctions, despite knowing they did not have the power to do so;
b. Emmert, Dr. Ray, and other NCAA employees worked closely and
coordinated with the Freeh firm to help it prepare a report that they knew or should have known included false conclusions that had not been reached by means of an adequate investigation;
c. Emmert advised President Erickson that the NCAA would use the Freeh
Report as a substitute for its own investigation, in reckless disregard of the falsity and inadequacy of that report, and the various NCAA procedural rules violations committed thereby;
d. unknown NCAA employees communicated to Penn State’s counsel that
the “death penalty” was on the table for Penn State, despite knowing that no such penalty could have lawfully been imposed under the NCAA rules;
e. Emmert threatened that if Penn State went to the media, the death penalty
would be certain, thus extorting silence from President Erickson; and
f. Emmert imposed the Consent Decree on Penn State based on the
allegations in the Freeh Report, although doing so was impermissible under the NCAA’s own rules.

As a result of this conspiracy, Plaintiffs suffered actual damages.
Defendants’ conduct in engaging in this civil conspiracy was malicious and
outrageous and showed a reckless disregard for Plaintiffs’ rights."


Result of Charge? Defeat


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Relief Requested by Plaintiffs (penalties desired against the Defendants):

RELIEF REQUESTED:
WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs respectfully request the entry of judgment against each of the Defendants, and the following legal and equitable relief:

(1) A declaratory judgment that the actions of the Defendants were unlawful and constitute a violation of the Plaintiffs’ contractual and legal rights;
(2) A declaratory judgment that the NCAA-imposed Consent Decree was
unauthorized, unlawful, and void ab initio
(3) Issuance of a permanent injunction preventing the NCAA from further enforcing the Consent Decree or the sanctions improperly imposed therein;
(4) An award of compensatory damages for the tortious and improper conduct and breach of contract resulting in the losses and damages described herein;
(5) An award of punitive damages for outrageous, reckless, and intentional
misconduct resulting in the losses and damages described herein;
(6) Costs and disbursements of this action; and
(7) Any other legal or equitable relief as the Court may deem just and proper.

Results? None of those penalties imposed in the Defendants (NCAA et al)

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Alas.
There is a reason that the termination of the Suit is viewed as a thorough ass-kicking against the "right side"..... and a reason why the NCAA can "get away with" their disgusting chest-thumping.
 
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Be that as it may, this was misplaced loyalty on her part. What did Penn State ever do for the Paterno's? Nothing, but intentionally ruin their good name. If I'm her, I say F#ck Penn State.

They say that the best revenge is living well. It gives me great pleasure to see Sue's strength, ability to rise above the fray, and offer wisdom while terrible people affiliated with the university trounced on the love of her life and then did nothing to repair the damage done. She is a wonderful human being.

I wonder if Sue's ultimate revenge, in a sense, will be one more significant donation in the family name to Penn State for education. The university would have to accept such a generous offer, thereby publicly acknowledging the Paternos, and once again would have to emblazon the Paterno name on the product of said gift (e.g., a building or an endowment).
 
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Ray's on board......

The NCAA's statement claiming "total victory" in the Paterno lawsuit is delusional and not supported by the evidence on the public record.


link: http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2017/07/ncaa-statement-ignores-evidence-again.html
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"In response to the NCAA’s statement, Sue Paterno called the NCAA’s assertions “absurd” and noted that it is the NCAA who is insistent on keeping the full facts of the case from becoming a matter of public record. She challenged the NCAA to make discovery available for public inspection.


History and all of the evidence remain firmly behind Sue Paterno."

Thanks again Ray and the many others or the effort over the last six years.

The author sounds delusional. Not only did they drop the lawsuit entirely, they also SLAMMED the door on the truth ever being released.
 
Be that as it may, this was misplaced loyalty on her part. What did Penn State ever do for the Paterno's? Nothing, but intentionally ruin their good name. If I'm her, I say F#ck Penn State.
Completely False Premise anyway.

Not only was it not necessary to sue "Penn State".... it would have been idiotic and misguided to do so.

The proper parties were clear (if the goal was "uncovering truth", or some such other righteous goal).... and those parties would have included the likes Surma, Frazier, Erickson, Garban, Lubert, Dambly, and the PSU BOT - among others.
 
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The author sounds delusional. Not only did they drop the lawsuit entirely, they also SLAMMED the door on the truth ever being released.
no, they didn't. in fact, they came out in support of all of the discovery documents being released. It is the NCAA/PSU/State that want those documents to remain under seal.
 
What the public actually believes, unfortunately, is more important than what the public record states.

The public record shows the Paternos abandoning their suit just a few hours before the NCAA was about to file a brief that detailed the years of discovery.

The Paternos could have dropped their suit anytime over the past 4 years and but they cave just a few hours before that specific brief is filed and became public record. That is the perception because it is reality.

only the few nut job lunatic Paterno loyalist believe the timing was a coincidence and they just happen to decide on that same day nothing more could be gained by the suit. lol

I guess there is still the 5 year old Schultz vs Baldwin civil action still yet to come.......
 
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The public record shows the Paternos abandoning their suit just a few hours before the NCAA was about to file a brief that detailed the years of discovery.

The Paternos could have dropped their suit anytime over the past 4 years and but they cave just a few hours before that specific brief is filed and became public record. That is the perception because it is reality.

only the few nut job lunatic Paterno loyalist believe the timing was a coincidence and they just happen to decide on that same day nothing more could be gained by the suit. lol

I guess there is still the 5 year old Schultz vs Baldwin civil action still yet to come.......
Paterno's would have had those discovery documents months before and would have known their content. As such, would have dropped the suit months ago. why would they wait? At the same time, SuePa said that they have asked for all of the discovery information to be released. Are you saying she is a liar?
 
They say that the best revenge is living well. It gives me great pleasure to see Sue's strength, ability to rise above the fray, and offer wisdom while terrible people affiliated with the university trounced on the love of her life and then did nothing to repair the damage done. She is a wonderful human being.

I wonder if Sue's ultimate revenge, in a sense, will be one more significant donation in the family name to Penn State for education. The university would have to accept such a generous offer, thereby publicly acknowledging Paternos, and once again would have to emblazon the Paterno name on the product of said gift (e.g., a building or an endowment).
Nice thought, Bob. Although, a bit idealistic from my point of view. The way I see it is this was never a symbiotic relationship between Paterno and the leadership of this University. No single person raised the profile of Penn State, both athletically and academically, more than Joe Paterno (Now what that says about the leadership of Penn State and our society in general is for another discussion) This was the classic case of the parasites (BOT, Louis Freeh, MSM) ultimately destroying the host. Again, were it me, I'd do nothing further to enable or in any way validate them. I'd set out to destroy them.
 
Do you really think that the Paterno family and their counsel didn't understand that the better defendant was Penn State? It is blatantly obvious (but apparently not to you) that Sue simply did not WANT to sue Penn State. The Paterno family took the calculated risk that they could accomplish the same objective (not money or even victory, but rather revealing through civil discovery what occurred behind the scenes between and among Penn State, Freeh, the NCAA, etc.) without suing Penn State itself.

I agree. IMO, the Paternos believe Joe Paterno would never approve suing PSU or doing anything on his behalf that would hurt PSU.

They also realized that the respect that Joe Paterno still commands among PSU alumni and fans and did not want to risk alienating any of the PSU faithful. While many on this Board would cheer and support a lawsuit against PSU by the Paternos, I think a lot of Alumni would be put off by such a lawsuit and it would destroy a much of the goodwill that Joe Paterno created at PSU.
 
Nice thought, Bob. Although, a bit idealistic from my point of view. The way I see it is this was never a symbiotic relationship between Paterno and the leadership of this University. No single person raised the profile of Penn State, both athletically and academically, more than Joe Paterno (Now what that says about the leadership of Penn State and our society in general is for another discussion) This was the classic case of the parasites (BOT, Louis Freeh, MSM) ultimately destroying the host. Again, were it me, I'd do nothing further to enable or in any way validate them. I'd set out to destroy them.
Yeah.

I'm not sure if my sweetest dreams of "revenge" against my adversaries is:

"Give them a shitload of my money"
 
The public record shows the Paternos abandoning their suit just a few hours before the NCAA was about to file a brief that detailed the years of discovery.

The Paternos could have dropped their suit anytime over the past 4 years and but they cave just a few hours before that specific brief is filed and became public record. That is the perception because it is reality.

only the few nut job lunatic Paterno loyalist believe the timing was a coincidence and they just happen to decide on that same day nothing more could be gained by the suit. lol

I guess there is still the 5 year old Schultz vs Baldwin civil action still yet to come.......
What did you do with your contemporaneous suspicions of Sandusky?
 
It's too late for the Paterno's to turn back public opinion. At least the Penn State community knows who really is to blame for all of this besides JS, however, and hopefully it will never be forgotten. The idea that this person can sleep at night knowing that what he did resulted in a great innocent man being tarred and feathered in front of the whole world is baffling to me.
 
Paterno's would have had those discovery documents months before and would have known their content. As such, would have dropped the suit months ago. why would they wait? At the same time, SuePa said that they have asked for all of the discovery information to be released. Are you saying she is a liar?

if they wanted all of that discovery released the easiest way to make that happen would have been to keep the lawsuit going and let the NCAA file the brief. It wouldn't have cost the Paternos any more money to keep the suit alive for another day longer.

Scott being a lawyer would know that 3rd party discover not used in any briefs filings or court proceedings are never made public. They can say they have asked for all discovery to be released knowing full well that it can't and won't be. They stopped the suit when they did so that brief even if sealed at the time couldn't eventually ever be made public record later.

It was all just an expensive charade they put on.
 
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Please elaborate further on your family's theory as to why they dropped the suit.
 
if they wanted all of that discovery released the easiest way to make that happen would have been to keep the lawsuit going and let the NCAA file the brief. It wouldn't have cost the Paternos any more money to keep the suit alive for another day longer.

Scott being a lawyer would know that 3rd party discover not used in any briefs filings or court proceedings are never made public. They can say they have asked for all discovery to be released knowing full well that it can't and won't be. They stopped the suit when they did so that brief even if sealed at the time couldn't eventually ever be made public record later.

It was all just an expensive charade they put on.

so you just contradicted yourself. They would be released or they would not? The NCAA fought to have several documents hidden. This we know. What were they trying to hide? The judge ruled in their favor. you are trying to win both arguments, paternos and/or ncaa wanted to have documents kept secret, with conflicting reasoning.

Fact is, Paterno's were never going to win that suit because a) the party they needed to sue was PSU, not the NCAA. Freeh was PSU's surrogate, the NCAA just went along with PSU/Freeh's flawed "opinion". In addition, almost impossible to prove Joe was slandered as the bar in slander suits is way high. Few people win slander suits in the USA.
 
It's too late for the Paterno's to turn back public opinion. At least the Penn State community knows who really is to blame for all of this besides JS, however, and hopefully it will never be forgotten. The idea that this person can sleep at night knowing that what he did resulted in a great innocent man being tarred and feathered in front of the whole world is baffling to me.

It is laughable that a lunatic nut job such as yourself represents the PSU community. You only represent the dozen or so lunatic BWI nut jobs....... but you do that well.
 
Did you attempt to report it elsewhere?

many years later I discussed Jerry with an SC borough cop. I asked if it would do any good to file a report. he said they wouldn't do anything with it other than turn it over to the State Police but it was already a just a matter of time that the State Police would get him.

So you would expect a cop to be like wait get the hell out of here JS a pedophile????.... but nope just matter of fact discussion that the State Police were already on to JS and they would eventually get him.
 
many years later I discussed Jerry with an SC borough cop. I asked if it would do any good to file a report. he said they wouldn't do anything with it other than turn it over to the State Police but it was already a just a matter of time that the State Police would get him.

So you would expect a cop to be like wait get the hell out of here JS a pedophile????.... but nope just matter of fact discussion that the State Police were already on to JS and they would eventually get him.
How many children were abused in the "many years later" you waited?
 
So what was your role? Why didn't you do more? Do you feel guilty now? Is that why you are blaming everyone else but yourself?
Funny that you still trust Tim and Gary 100% still today but you think I should have known they were lying when they said they were investigating Jerry back then.
 
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many years later I discussed Jerry with an SC borough cop. I asked if it would do any good to file a report. he said they wouldn't do anything with it other than turn it over to the State Police but it was already a just a matter of time that the State Police would get him.

So you would expect a cop to be like wait get the hell out of here JS a pedophile????.... but nope just matter of fact discussion that the State Police were already on to JS and they would eventually get him.
so you did nothing? maybe that is the message MM, dranov and a cast of thousands got. You are no less guilty than all of them!
 
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