Rom DeSantis beats Donald Trump in a 2024 poll of Florida GOP voters.

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"Older Republicans are more likely to support Trump, but DeSantis still leads the former president in all age groupings," a poll summary read.

"Trump is tied with DeSantis among voters with some college but among high school graduates as well as college graduates and those with advanced degrees, DeSantis polls much better."
 

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"Older Republicans are more likely to support Trump, but DeSantis still leads the former president in all age groupings," a poll summary read.

"Trump is tied with DeSantis among voters with some college but among high school graduates as well as college graduates and those with advanced degrees, DeSantis polls much better."
I see it shifting his way, at least for now.
 

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You think ? Trump antics are quite effective in real world communication. Scott Addams has written about them.
DeSantis will have the "JFK" advantage. He'll make Trump look old and out of touch. I truly believe Americans want a younger, more vibrant candidate for President. Plus DeSantis has the military background. Something missing from the last 3 Presidents. My Dad always believed that a President should have some military service experience.
 

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DeSantis will have the "JFK" advantage. He'll make Trump look old and out of touch. I truly believe Americans want a younger, more vibrant candidate for President. Plus DeSantis has the military background. Something missing from the last 3 Presidents. My Dad always believed that a President should have some military service experience.
All of those are great points, however I do not think we will see that debate. We will see Trump step aside and push Desantis or he runs and Desantis runs with him as VP.
 
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If both Trump and DeSantis run, the latter will scorch the former in a debate.

From a pure political perspective and defeating the Democrats, I don’t know if that would be a good thing. I’d much rather see either Trump voluntarily bow out and leave the other guy, whoever that may be, run against the Democrat candidate or Trump run against other “weak” R candidates with other strong R candidates like DeSantis, Pompeo, etc. sit on the sidelines until 2028 so that the R’s can reload. At this point in time the R party needs to do what’s smart long term or we’ll get more worthless and destructive Democrat Socialism. It’s important that the R party says unified whatever it takes. The ends justify the means in this case.

If Trump decides NOT to run and DeSantis does, then let DeSantis and other Republican candidates battle it out and “scorch” each other, if that’s what it comes down to, as long as they are united after the primary. I don’t see a problem with that and letting Trump endorse the candidate of his choice.

Conversely, if Trump does decide to run, I’m not sure it’s good news for DeSantis or any other Republican candidate, to get into a bloody primary battle with Trump as I don’t know how Trump would react. I honestly don’t think he’s a bad guy and I like his policies and instincts but he’s changed the face of the Republican Party to make it more populist and he deserves credit for that.

The total and complete focus needs to on denying ANY Democrat a chance at winning and destroying this country anymore than they have already done and looking beyond 2024 as well.

Trump has just too many hard core supporters and it’s a mistake to turn them off. Trump is unpredictable and it’s true that he has a big narcissist personality so although I can live with that for 4 more years and I know the country can survive if necessary, I don’t think his reaction or that of his supporters should be tested or we may end up getting more Socialism and “wokeism” by default.

I just think he’s holding a lot of cards right now and the country is too important to turn over to the Democrats.
 
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Tea leaves for the leftist's reading pleasure:

"Older Republicans are more likely to support Trump, but DeSantis still leads the former president in all age groupings," a poll summary read.

"Trump is tied with DeSantis among voters with some college but among high school graduates as well as college graduates and those with advanced degrees, DeSantis polls much better."
It depends on how Trump comes out of the January 6th investigation and the various things Letita James is going after him for in NY.

If Trump does run anybody who primaries him will have to tread carefully. Trump will call them losers and they can't get caught up in that. They have to be able to stand on stage and say they support most of Trump's positions but the drama is too much. Other than that they have to stick to the issues and avoid punching back.
 

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You think ? Trump antics are quite effective in real world communication. Scott Addams has written about them.

Exactly, and for the sake of this country, it’s not wise to test those antics either. Besides,and despite his big narcissistic personality, he needs to be respected and given a lot of credit for changing and reenergizing the Republican Party. He’s made it into a populist party and brought in a lot of new voices. Now is not the time to create a big blood bath and he should be very instrumental in the future direction of the party as well.
 

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Exactly, and for the sake of this country, it’s not wise to test those antics either. Besides,and despite his big narcissistic personality, he needs to be respected and given a lot of credit for changing and reenergizing the Republican Party. He’s made it into a populist party and brought in a lot of new voices. Now is not the time to create a big blood bath and he should be very instrumental in the future direction of the party as well.
Once I looked at it through Adam's view a light bulb went off in my head. Remember the Wall? Build a big one, Mexico pays? To me that means he's serious, the rest was just hype. People focus on the "lie" but it was more emphasis or hype. And I didn't take it seriously, I want the wall. That to me is great persuasion. His opponents focus on the Mexico pays, missing the point that people want increased border security and he look serious about delivering it.
Let's look at that abortion BS story, I see a horrific crime against a child committed by an illegal alien. Abortion activists lied about the details to push their agenda, the OMG what if your kid is raped???!!! Me, after I hang the guy we will take care of her.
But seriously, I report the crime. I get her examined and hopefully we can catch the guy and convict him. Even though I'm pro life I would talk with my wife and we would probably opt for the abortion. Who knows if the kid could carry to term?
Is this hypocritical? I don't think so since I always supported exceptions but wanted them performed ASAP. The earlier the termination is done, the easier on the child.
Now we have two angles, the idiots chose a lie , I chose to see this as a crime against a child. Not an abortion issue. They ran with a lie to promote their agenda. with the border wall, the wall was going to be built so the story rings true. overall.
He uses their methods against them.
 

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If both Trump and DeSantis run, the latter will scorch the former in a debate.
Well Trump lost his debate to Biden so you are probably correct. Do either of them have the balls to run against each other? One will likely back down.
 

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All of those are great points, however I do not think we will see that debate. We will see Trump step aside and push Desantis or he runs and Desantis runs with him as VP.
I just cannot endorse Trump. Naturally, I will vote for him if he is the nominee. But I hope that is not the case. Here is what I see. Trump is only a short one term possibility. And I believe if per chance he wins in 2024, I think we'll see the same Trump antics, pissing off people and alienating voters, thus giving up Congress and the White House to the Dems in 2026 and 2028 respectively. With DeSantis, you possibly have a 2 term president and basically the same solid policies which are good for Americans. I don't want to take my chances with Trump. There are a lot of people who feel the same as I do.
 
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I just cannot endorse Trump. Naturally, I will vote for him if he is the nominee. But I hope that is not the case. Here is what I see. Trump is only a short one term possibility. And I believe if per chance he wins in 2024, I think we'll see the same Trump antics, pissing off people and alienating voters, thus giving up Congress and the White House to the Dems in 2026 and 2028 respectively. With DeSantis, you possibly have a 2 term president and basically the same solid policies which are good for Americans. I don't want to take my chances with Trump. There are a lot of people who feel the same as I do.

Right now, the best of all worlds from a R perspective maybe if Trump decides not to run, DeSantis runs and Trump endorses him. But there would be an expectation of DeSantis to confront and challange the radical left in a very convincing and substantive way or he’ll loose support of a “sane political base” that’s disgusted with big government and business as usual.

If I were Trump, at his age, and with his money I wouldn’t run. But that remains to be seen. Trump is a different character and unpredictable, and he brings a showmanship that may turn people off, but that turns many people on as well.

Trump remains the “elephant in the room” no matter how you slice it.
 
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Well Trump lost his debate to Biden so you are probably correct. Do either of them have the balls to run against each other? One will likely back down.
I watched both debates. In the first debate it seemed like Trump's strategy was to keep beating on Biden expecting him to suffer a breakdown. Instead he came across like an out of control jerk. Biden won by default. In the second debate Trump was more composed and as far as I'm concerned he won decisively on the issues.
 

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I watched both debates. In the first debate it seemed like Trump's strategy was to keep beating on Biden expecting him to suffer a breakdown. Instead he came across like an out of control jerk. Biden won by default. In the second debate Trump was more composed and as far as I'm concerned he won decisively on the issues.
Exactly, Biden was hopped up on everything for that night.
 

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I watched both debates. In the first debate it seemed like Trump's strategy was to keep beating on Biden expecting him to suffer a breakdown. Instead he came across like an out of control jerk. Biden won by default. In the second debate Trump was more composed and as far as I'm concerned he won decisively on the issues.

That’s just it, Trump is on the right side of the issues and is passionate about defending his views. He just can greatly overplay his hand and quickly gets into the mud when his opponent is a fraud and an empty suit, especially when his opponent challenges him personally using lies, distortions, and deceit. That makes him “blow a gasket” and he gets personal.

I don’t think he has much time and especially patience for political nonsense.
 
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That’s just it, Trump is on the right side of the issues and is passionate about defending his views. He just can greatly overplay his hand and quickly gets into the mud when his opponent is a fraud and an empty suit, especially when his opponent challenges him personally using lies, distortions, and deceit. That makes him “blow a gasket” and he gets personal.

I don’t think he has much time and especially patience for political nonsense.
Probably true, some of the getting personal is by design and it can work . See Alinsky's rules for radicals number 5. Remember Ann Richards to GHWB? He was born with a silver foot in his mouth? That stuff works.
 
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Probably true, some of the getting personal is by design and it can work . See Alinsky's rules for radicals number 5. Remember Ann Richards to GHWB? He was born with a silver foot in his mouth? That stuff works.

I agree and it really doesn’t bother me. You just need to be thick skinned and unfortunately there are a lot of people that get their panties in a bunch much too often. I’ve worked with very demanding people that can make you bite your lip, but they also get positive things done and they can be relentless in doing it. To me, that’s just what our federal government needs. Too many “business as usual” swamp creatures in Washington and the same people that criticize these tactics, turn around and constantly complain about the things that need to change. Besides, another 4 years of Trump would be worth the price of admission as far as the radical Democrats are concerned. And this time around, he wouldn’t take prisoners either.

But the focus needs to be on defeating Democrats at all levels. I’ll take anything that accomplishes that.
 
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I agree and it really doesn’t bother me. You just need to be thick skinned and unfortunately there are a lot of people that get their panties in a bunch much too often. I’ve worked with very demanding people that can make you bite your lip, but they also get positive things done and they can be relentless in doing it. To me, that’s just what our federal government needs. Too many “business as usual” swamp creatures in Washington and the same people that criticize these tactics, turn around and constantly complain about the things that need to change. Besides, another 4 years of Trump would be worth the admission as far as the radical Democrats are concerned. And this time around, he wouldn’t take prisoners either.
So you worked with my dad? Now he was a blue collar guy, but boy was he a taskmaster when I was young.
 
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That is why a combative style is necessary at times. However that day if it is the first debate I think Biden was ready to crack and Trump saved him by interrupting too soon. The old don't interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake comes to mind.
I liked this one better lol:

That was a kinder and gentler Trump. LOL
 
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So you worked with my dad? Now he was a blue collar guy, but boy was he a taskmaster when I was young.
Just like General Patton. He wasn’t politically correct, he was overly demanding, he’d drive the troops hard, he’d say things and do things that would piss you off, he had a big ego and was a narcissist, but he’d keep you on your toes and go full speed ahead. I think Trump has a similar personality.
 
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Just like General Patton. He wasn’t politically correct, he was overly demanding, he’d drive the troops hard, he’d say things and do things that would piss you off, he had a big ego and was a narcissist, but he’d keep you on your toes and go full speed ahead. I think Trump has a similar personality.
Sounds like dad he had a way of explaining that thing you did was dumb in away that left no doubt it was stupid. But he was great if you worked and put in the effort to me and others.
 
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Sounds like dad he had a way of explaining that thing you did was dumb in away that left no doubt it was stupid. But he was great if you worked and put in the effort to me and others.

My Dad served in WWII in the 7th Army under Patton and had many stories to tell. Everyone that served under him acknowledged that he was a bast*rd, but they respected the guy too. A “Get results and stop the whining” type of guy.
 
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Right now, the best of all worlds from a R perspective maybe if Trump decides not to run, DeSantis runs and Trump endorses him. But there would be an expectation of DeSantis to confront and challange the radical left in a very convincing and substantive way or he’ll loose support of a “sane political base” that’s disgusted with big government and business as usual.

If I were Trump, at his age, and with his money I wouldn’t run. But that remains to be seen. Trump is a different character and unpredictable, and he brings a showmanship that may turn people off, but that turns many people on as well.

Trump remains the “elephant in the room” no matter how you slice it.
Well, Desantis has challenged the radical left and wokeness at every juncture in Florida.
 

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That is why a combative style is necessary at times. However that day if it is the first debate I think Biden was ready to crack and Trump saved him by interrupting too soon. The old don't interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake comes to mind.
I liked this one better lol:
It's OK to avoid the political correctness and to take a hard stand on principles. I don't think you have to be a bully to do that. Trump lost suburban women for a reason.
 
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It's OK to avoid the political correctness and to take a hard stand on principles. I don't think you have to be a bully to do that. Trump lost suburban women for a reason.
True, but manufacturing ballots also helped lol.
 

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Well, Desantis has challenged the radical left and wokeness at every juncture in Florida.

I believe he will too, but DC is much more of a swamp, and he’d get much more pressure in that environment. I like DeSantis, and think he would do a good job standing up to the radical left, but it seems like R President always seem to buckle and compromise on things much too often.
 
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I believe he will too, but DC is much more of a swamp, and he’d get much more pressure in that environment. I like DeSantis, and think he would do a good job standing up to the radical left, but it seems like R President always seem to buckle and compromise on things much too often.
Two things. Remember he has a military background and knows DC from when he was a Congressman.
 

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Two things. Remember he has a military background and knows DC from when he was a Congressman.

I really like the idea of of DeSantis having a military background and he seems not to be easily intimidated. Like I said many times I like him.

We need someone as tough as nails and willing to stand up for the future of America and not play petty politics. I’m not trying to sound naive or foolish, and I realize that there is always some give and take, but our federal government has gotten rotten to the core and needs to get back to serving the citizens rather than politicians serving themselves. We need patriots that care about America and our way of life. George W. Bush was in the military too, and I respected him, but he was too damn political. I don’t want another GWB as President.

I’ve seen many ex-military people throwing their hat in the ring because they’ve had enough. And as long as they’re getting in for the right reasons (to serve the country first rather than feed their ego) that’s a good thing.

I’ve traveled all over the world and have been to many countries, and I feel blessed to be born here. Unless you’ve been in some of the shit holes countries I’ve visited, you may not really appreciate just how great this country is. And we need to keep it that way.

We just have to get back to traditional values and not take our freedoms and liberties for granted. Socialism and Socialist leaning policies are not what we need. America first!
 
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Top Gov. Good stuff. I was looking for that ad today. Thanks for finding and posting.
 

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Plus DeSantis has the military background. Something missing from the last 3 Presidents. My Dad always believed that a President should have some military service experience.
Instead of hiding behind your father, what do you believe?
 

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