There's validity to that. I still think 20 years ago without a playoff this board would have been blowing up about the Rose Bowl against a top 10 Utah team.
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I agree. With each successive championship format (BCS, playoff, etc) the bowl standings do appear to have dropped in importance.
I think part of the issue is also the huge expansion in bowl games over the years. Now everyone and their brother are invited to play, (even with .500 or occasionally losing records).
Back when the talk was which bowl reps were visiting which campus each week, there was much more excitement and discussion of possible matchups and where each team would play. Then the bowls started to get more rigid in their ‘assigned’ matchups (Big 12- 3 vs PAC 12- 3) and they got sort of stale.
I’d love for the bowls to lose all alliances and go back to being a free for all in who could go where each year. That would add more interest IMO, (but the main interest now will always be the playoff).
The negativity baffles me. In my opinion this team is the best of the Franklin era. It has surpassed all pre-season expectations. Also, it is a fun team to watch. The most enjoyable team to watch since the Paterno era. I am thrilled with this team and their accomplishments. Maybe the best part is next year's team should be even better -- probably a pre-season favorite for the last 4-team playoff. It hasn't been this good to be a Penn State football fan in decades.
And get rid of half the bowls. Expect them to start dropping off as the playoffs expand.
Nah, the Barkley/McSorely team was a blast to watch. Could score from anywhere and would often explode for several TDs in a couple minutes. Plus a defense that was underrated since the O got all the ink.
Yeah. I’m a college football junkie but even I can’t bring myself to get excited about the “Hometown Lenders Bahamas Bowl” (Miami- OH vs UAB) or the “Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl” (Liberty vs Toledo). 🙄
No major disagreement here. I like the logic. I would eliminate all bowl games personally. Or, and you all won't like this, if the playoff expands to 20-24, I'd like bowl games to start the season. For example, the Rose could invite Penn State and Oregon to open the season...the Sugar Alabama and Michigan etc. I like it better as that than what it is now.
I think we scored a TD on three or four plays in a row versus Wisconsin in the B1G championship game. Or maybe that was USC in the Rose Bowl.
That’s an interesting idea. The traditionalist in me says bowls end the year but, if the playoff expands and drives the bowls out of business, then I think starting the year with them could be a great idea.
We already have those handful of games at neutral sites each August/ September. The more minor bowls could step in there and add some scheduling interest playing teams you normally wouldn’t while the top 3 or so bowls rotate the final 4 and championship games at the end of the year.
I would say there is a distinction between acknowledging the bad, having a positive attitude, and looking for improvement vs. focusing on the bad and having a negative attitude
well, there are those that feel you have a bad attitude by simply pointing out the team's weaknesses.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with pointing out weaknesses. I am happy that the Lions are 10 and 2 and going to the Rose bowl against a great opponent. At the same time, I wish they were better prepared for Michigan and Ohio State and acknowledge they need to improve. I think the majority of Penn State fans feel this way. Some fans, though, only focus on the negative. I wouldn't include you in this group.
My point in the initial post wasn't that every other thread should be 10-2 and Rose parties. I was suggesting that we were 10-2 and rose bowl bound and the first half dozen threads were almost entirely negative.
2 threads about PSU's worst case scenario, 2 threads concerned that our 3rd string qb was in the portal, another what if we started the backup qb, NIL is the devil, etc. Nearly everything was negative when so much about this program right now is very positive.
And in reality I'd consider just having the Rose Bowl (The Granddaddy of them all) be the equivalent to the NFL's SB but your breakdown is more realistic
It was mainly 3 people: Mcandrew himself, "Psuro", and "Bob92". They basically ran off everybody and everyone else who disagreed with them on anything.
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dude if you can't be excited about the Bahamas Bowl there is something wrong with you
a quote from a fan's experience during the 2017 Bahamas Bowl...
another...
”The entertainment on the outskirts of the stadium right next to concessions includes ARCHERY. I saw a child as small as 4 getting help aiming an actual bow and arrow at a target 20 ft away”.
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Things have changed and it's hard to articulate in one post, but it doesn't seem like it used to be.
One criticism of Joe was he won the games he should win but didn't win against the big boys. If you remember from mid 90s to 07 we didn't have a lot of good success again OSU and Michigan. So we're talking close to thirty years removed from being a MNC contended.
It sounds like one of those events that doesn’t translate well on tv.
Maybe we need to start lobbying the Big Ten to include it in their bowl rotation.
IIRC, in the early 2000's, PSU had the best B1G record of any school since we joined in 93. . Don't forget tOSU went through a really bad spell when they had Cooper as coach. UM was awful toward the end of Bo's reign and into Gary Moeller.
As college football in PA started to wayne due to population shifts and PSU not willing to play the games it took to be a national recruiter, PSU sucked for most of the early 2000's. But in 2005, to the time JVP was fired, PSU went 67 - 22 and 6-2 in the bowls (Orange, Outback, Alamo, CapOne, Outback). We won the B1G (or our division) in 05, 08 and 11. The drought was really 2000 to 2004.
List of Penn State Nittany Lions football seasons - Wikipedia
Not accurate. We had an Ohio State game stolen by the refs that if we won would have made us contenders. Same with the ‘05 game at the Shig House. And in 2016, win either one of Pitt/Mich and we were in the playoffs. So we were contender quality teams a few times. Isn’t correct to say we have been out of the running for thirty years.
I don't think it reflects a negative board so much as a reality about what college football is now.
#s 1, 2 and 4 on your list are about NIL and portals, and under the current rules, will talk about those things ever NOT be a hot topic?
#3 on your list is about a backup playing over a starter but because of NIL and the portal, that is always a big thing too because whoever it is that isn't playing is a candidate for the portal.
Re. #5, the reason 10-2 and in the Rose Bowl isn't as big a deal is because the playoff looms so big that for a school like Penn State, not making the playoff becomes a disappointment.
It used to be that a topic of conversation was recruiting and what happen next year with the recruits and with the current guys on the team, but NIL and the portal has made that topic irrelevant because you don't even know who will be on the team next year.
Everything has changed, and not for the better IMO, but regardless of what you think of the changes, a board with content like this one seems pretty logical considering what college football is today.
One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster ...Hmmm...maybe someone should come up with a "Bangkok Bowl"?
LMAOROFL. Not liking NIL has nothing to do with loving the Lions. I am ecstatic about the present and future. We are loaded with young stars. Finally, we have really good team leadership to help focus outstanding talent.I will be there to
My money is on Drew to do no worse than split the 4 games with UM and OSU over the next 2 years.
My granddaughter is getting married in Wyoming next September. If I can afford it, I will be at the Iowa game.
My money is on Drew to do no worse than split the 4 games with UM and OSU over the next 2 years.
My granddaughter is getting married in Wyoming next September. If I can afford it, I will be at the Iowa game.
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Neither board is as good as the old BWI before it moved to On3. The users were split and both of the new boards suffer as a result.
It was from the Rose Bowl against USC. PSU's offense scored TDs on four consecutive plays. I've always been curious if that's been done before or since. I'm fairly certain it's the only time I've ever seen a team do that.
USC 52-49 Penn State (Jan 2, 2017) Play-by-Play - ESPN
Play-by-play action for the USC Trojans vs. Penn State Nittany Lions NCAAF game from January 2, 2017 on ESPN.
- Final play of 13 play drive (USC 27 PSU 21)
- One play 79 yard TD (USC 27 PSU 28)
- One play 72 yard TD (USC 27 PSU 35)
- One play 3 yard TD following an INT (USC 27 PSU 42)
Ohio State from 93-98 was winning 10+ games yearly, right? They were awful in 99 and horrible in 2000 but they were good under Cooper for the most part.IIRC, in the early 2000's, PSU had the best B1G record of any school since we joined in 93. . Don't forget tOSU went through a really bad spell when they had Cooper as coach. UM was awful toward the end of Bo's reign and into Gary Moeller.
As college football in PA started to wayne due to population shifts and PSU not willing to play the games it took to be a national recruiter, PSU sucked for most of the early 2000's. But in 2005, to the time JVP was fired, PSU went 67 - 22 and 6-2 in the bowls (Orange, Outback, Alamo, CapOne, Outback). We won the B1G (or our division) in 05, 08 and 11. The drought was really 2000 to 2004.
List of Penn State Nittany Lions football seasons - Wikipedia
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Cooper‘s biggest problem he recruited great talent but every year the top five would leave early for the NFL. He would have won a couple natties if the players used their entire eligibility. This was before leaving early was popular.
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I'd say it's accurate with the system in place back then, we weren't in the running at season's end.
In 1994 we had a chance if we won our bowl game . If you recall many championships were disputed back then. It was pretty common really because 1 vs 2 didn't happen very often. The Fiesta Bowl was an Anomaly .
Well, you have to define what contender is. Do you only count the ones that make the playoffs? Tennessee was a contender, IMO. Anyone that is a possible playoff invitee with two games is a contender, IMO. Once the season is over, your down to invitees.
I'll say you're in it at the end with 1 loss or less. The old way depended on ranking of course and there was the issue of bowl tie ins.
I won't say we contended in 1999 since we dropped three at the end for an example. If you recall we were smoked by Um and MSU late in 1997.
Until we go 11-1 and make the big ten championship and win we're not really in it.
1999 for sure….cannot lose three and be in it. But we won the CCG in 2016 with two early losses and were seriously considered by the committee before selecting Ohio State. I would submit we were contenders then.
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I don't think we really were, if you recall back in the earlier years the lobbying for ND? As an independent we could chose our path but we're often cock blocked by them .
1999 was a direct result of Sandusky neglecting his job in the face of what everyone close to the program knew was inevitable.
That team had by far the most defensive talent in the nation but lacked a quarterback and a running back to move the chains.
Those late ‘90s teams were so frustrating because we were loaded with talent and could not put it all together.
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