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Of course they are. Michigan can't beat OSU, and if they can't beat them, they don't want anybody else to beat them, either. If we were to beat OSU two years in a row, it would be hard evidence that neither of the top two teams in the Big Ten East is Michigan.
Michigan is living in the past, firmly believing that the Big Ten is Michigan, Ohio State, and everybody else. Make no mistake about it: they fear us. The sleeping giant is awoken, and there is nothing they can do about it.
Michigan is living in the past, firmly believing that the Big Ten is Michigan, Ohio State, and everybody else. Make no mistake about it: they fear us. The sleeping giant is awoken, and there is nothing they can do about it.
It's becoming apparent to me that some people wanted the events of 2011 to bury Penn State for many years. These same people are now envious and hateful towards us for coming back to relevancy so fast. Just demonstrates that these people don't know who WE ARE!!
They were expecting us to be in the midst of our 6th consecutive 2-10 season. Since that isn't happening, well, you can see how they are taking it. The collective fanbases of UM, Iowa, Rutgers, Md, Pitt, et al, couldn't care less about Sandusky's victims other than as a means of getting rid of our football program. Their phony outrage is laughable.
Exactly right. Michigan and Ohio State know that when playing PSU they are no longer facing a team coached by an old man who was afraid of his shadow the last 12 to 15 years of his coaching career. No way Lloyd Carr dominates the pre B1G JoePa.
That is a good thing, it means they see PSU as a threat to them as they should. The smart ones realize that their little dipping into NJ and the northeast gets a big tougher when PSU is strong. No doubt they want tOSU to win as they can't handle 2 teams out recruiting them in their own division.
Unnecessary swipe at Joe in a thread that has nothing to do with him. Congrats -- and nice try at the "save" with the reference to a younger Joe.
What's amazing is how many posing nics Marty/mbe34 can come up with in his dim witted agenda.
Penn St beat them. They want revenge.
Michigan and Ohio St claim to hate each other but it's more of a 'bromance' rivalry rather than a heated, nasty, Alabama vs Auburn 'burn the trees' rivalry.
"afraid of his shadow"? You, sir, are an ass.
Nice Cheap shot.
Why do some of you guys go to other boards, screw em all , none of them had our backs.
Penn State is in the big 10 now, not an eastern indy anymore , and they can't handle it.
Penn State is in the big 10 now, not an eastern indy anymore , and they can't handle it.
That's great, because that means when PSU wins it'll be a "twofer" in that both the OSU and UM fanbases will be sad.
You're exactly right. OSU and Michigan like being part of an exclusive club with no more room for anyone else.
It's sour grapes....the bully beat them up so now they're telling their big brother to have him go beat us up. Waaah waaah waaah.
More like the bully just got his ass handed to him and he needs someone else to do what he is incapable of.
It's the same phenomena with Iowa wrestling fans being butt hurt over Cael leaving ISU for Penn State.
Michigan and OSU are like Batman and the Joker, they need each other, they complete one another. LOL.
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This, you fool, has earned you a place on my nearly-non-existent IGNORE list.
Don't bother responding. I won't see it.
I would call it evidence but I wouldn't call it hard evidence. We are only one year removed from a beat down by Michigan. If Michigan is number 3 again next year, I would tend to agree.
This is why I hate Michigan more than tO$U (for the moment, at least). There are plenty of obnoxious tO$U fans but alot of them respect Joepa as does Urban Meyer. And I might be in the minority, but I like Jim Tressel too. Now if tO$U starts to go the way of UM, we may see that same resentment but as of now I hate UM as much as tO$U fans CLAIM to hate them.
Paterno's last game vs Michigan was a win. Paterno has two full national championships since Michigan's last one.
In Paterno's "last 12-15 years," at least on two occasions, Michigan needed gifts (flat out wrong, non-judgement calls) from the officials to beat Paterno.
Since joining the B1G, Paterno had a full and two shared B1G titles. Michigan had a full and three shared.
So, while we all agree that the program was due for an injection of youth for a renaissance, the implication that Joe was a pushover for Michigan and OSU only shows a lack of knowledge/understanding on your part.
Penn State is Moe, Michigan and tOSU are Larry and Curly.
We have a coach who doesn't act miserable all the time and other teams don't like it.
It's deeper than that really. This dates back 28-29 years now. Michigan, the whole Schembechler gang, fought really hard to keep Penn State out of the Big Ten. They could live with being No. 2 to Ohio State (what choice did they have?) but being No. 3 was really their nightmare.
And the ironic thing was, while Michigan (and the Big Ten referees) obsessed on trying to keep Penn State down in the 1990s and early 2000s, programs like Wisconsin, Iowa and Northwestern were the ones beating Michigan and going to the Rose Bowl.
Still, Penn State is probably more of a threat to Michigan because Penn State is a recruiting threat. Wisconsin, Iowa and NW aren't going to beat Michigan for players.
Hard to gauge how it would break down. There are an awful lot lot of people in their fan base who would root for Hitler's team over Ohio State.
But anyway, to me it's a good sign if Michigan is hating PSU again. Michigan fans hated PSU from the moment they entered the B1G. They really hated PSU after PSU took 3 straight from Michigan in 1994-16.
But they pretended not to care, they pretended not to be threatened. Now they are admitting how threatened they are.
If Michigan fans are joining Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland fans in the "Ped State" crowd, that's not about Penn State, it's all about the lack of self-confidence in the Michigan program right now.
Their fan base is demoralized, so this is where they go with it. Bill Livingston's column in the Plain Dealer this week basically encapsulates the panic among the Big Ten old boys. This is a Penn State team unlike Penn State teams they've seen in the past, and it worries them.
If PSU manages to win Saturday, a lot of the midwestern old boys will totally freak out.
Which in my opinion isn't really justified. This is an unusual PSU team, very unusual in the depth of experience (look how many 3 year starters). While the PSU program is definitely on the ascent, PSU is still a long way from having the kind of talent that Alabama, Ohio State and even Michigan take for granted.
In other words, I think the old boys could wait another couple of years before they go into full blown panic. Nobody's yet seen what Franklin can do with perennial top 10 recruiting. I can't wait to see.
JoePa's record against Lloyd Carr was 2 and 9 average score of the game was 24 -15 Carr's favor. This includes losing the last 9 games against Carr. I remember when JoePa lost to Bill Curry of Alabama in 89, first time Joe had lost to a coach 3 times in a row.
Your point about the refs giving a couple of games to Michigan, exactly right, for whatever reason, Joe did not adjust to the refs and played not to lose and the refs would screw him in the end, self fulfilling prophecy.
Lick I said, Lloyd Carr does not dominate pre B1G JoePa. No shame in admitting the guy stuck around too long. JoePa was 4-1 against Michigan when not facing Carr.
The majority of people wanted PSU to collapse as a football program so their own beloved football program could get better at PSU's expense. They also wanted a rigged contest where their 4 and 5 star players could embarrass and humiliate a bunch of 1 star and walk-on players to the tune of 75-0 every year. No one really cared about anything that happened here, they just wanted the end result to favor them and their football team.
Everyone had their chance to play the rigged game and take their cheap shots. Those days are over.
Everyone had their chance to play the rigged game and take their cheap shots. Those days are over.
It was a needlessly dick comment about Joe earlier, but his head-to-head records and road performances against OSU and UM were beneath a program and coach of that stature, and that is putting it kindly. Refs didn’t force us to turtle up against a crap UM team in 07 that we could’ve dominated with competent coaching. Or OSU 09. Or name the time we got out coached or our asses kicked. Pushover debatable, but hardly 50/50.
Name calling is unnecessary. When Joe reached 75 yrs of age he was declining but still had a staff capable of beating UM yet Joe inserted himself 07 was the most obvious in games and took away the advantage we had looking for a close defensive game and a win at the end which reversed itself due to his stubbornness unfortunately for the team who suffered knowing they could have easily beaten UM on several occasions. The officials gave UM several games as we all know and remember yet the um fan base revel in those games as if they were real wins.
Joe of the 60's, 70's, 80's and up to 1994 would not have lost to um. His youth and energy and vitality diminished as he aged. That is a fact as it is with everyone else. Bear retired in his late 60's with a declining record meaning Joe lasted far longer that the greatest head coach in football history acc. to many.
Doesn't matter now with CJF at the helm, um and osu fans are afraid, very afraid and rightfully so. Paybacks are coming in droves folks, in droves. Wide right will become a fateful cry um fans, a fateful cry, cry, cry, cry, cry.
Joe of the 60's, 70's, 80's and up to 1994 would not have lost to um. His youth and energy and vitality diminished as he aged. That is a fact as it is with everyone else. Bear retired in his late 60's with a declining record meaning Joe lasted far longer that the greatest head coach in football history acc. to many.
Doesn't matter now with CJF at the helm, um and osu fans are afraid, very afraid and rightfully so. Paybacks are coming in droves folks, in droves. Wide right will become a fateful cry um fans, a fateful cry, cry, cry, cry, cry.
this is exactly right
I remember back in the dark ages of 2000-2004 an Iowa writer told Hawkeye fans to enjoy getting their kicks in while Penn State was down because it wouldn't last forever
Embrace the hate....those who wanted PSU to die are seething mad at the Program’s success...damn near maniacal...those that used to talk trash are back in force, but the other programs....the “wanna be’s” that had their shot ( ...and they know who they are...) are now enviously worse.....comical all in all. All credit to the staff.....truly hope that they will stick together... that JoMo will be content to be the highest paid OC one day and not leave to the lure of being a head coach again (albeit, he deserves any good thing his way)....this past year has been the most entertaining time to watch in my 54 years.....enjoy the ride.
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