No worries--but that's a completely different scenario because that was specifically written into the contract. Anything involving Moore would have been very specific and air tight.
Heard on Sports radio in Dayton area today (re: Michigan)
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Of course Harbaugh knew. Now we basically have proof thanks to the Stallions "documentary" on Netflix. In that show Connor was showing off the game ball that Harbaugh gave him for the 2022 win over Iowa. Connor's job with UM was to decipher signs. If Harbaugh is giving him a game ball it's quite clear to me that Harbaugh both is fully aware of who Stallions is and his operation to get signs. But even if none of that is true it doesn't matter, NCAA rules state that head coaches can be punished even if they can't prove the coach was aware.
The Head Coach is responsible for vetting Assistants "work product" - if Stalions was blatantly trampling the NCAA Rulebook to produce his "work product" (which he was and for many years) - Harbaugh is ultimately responsible because he didn't bother to find out how this guy was producing the volume, detail and quality of opponent play & scheme scouting reports when no other coach in the business was able to do this.... The only way Hair-ball could not have known Stalions was using illegal means to scout opponents is if he was willfully ignorant.
He gains nothing by being honest . It’s ALL literally a game to him . He is amoral about this aspect of his life . For most though dishonesty is dishonesty. Make one wonder where else in his life he is . Definitely a big character flaw . But then again now a days most people could care completely less about being a good person . It’s me first and screw the other guy .
More proof of the effect of Michigan cheating. Cade Stover (OSU's very good tight end) stated that Michigan knew a screen was coming on a play that they had never run before from a formation they had never used before. https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...-ohio-state-had-never-used-in-a-game#comments
Perhaps this is obvious but what this means is that Michigan was stealing practice footage (via computer crimes) which is MUCH bigger deal than in person scouting.
There have been a lot of rumors that UM workstations were used to hack tOSU workstations and download footage. We'll see.
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Connor Stalions becomes acting coach at Detroit Mumford High School after head coach suffers mild stroke
The former Michigan staffer is taking over a program on an interim basis that's gone 4-24 since the beginning of the 2022 season
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yes, lots of rumors on osu fan boards, lol....if that is your level of vetting, not sure what to tell you....
well, that would be the only way that UM could have scouted and prepared for a play that tOSU has never used.
Assuming Stover is correct in what he's saying which isn't a given. Like...let's be real
Could they possibly have made a stop on defense or is the only reason they made a stop on a new play is because they had practice footage?
The rumors about the computer stuff started as being child porn then moved to flirting with coeds and now has moved to practice footage. All “first” reported by OSU publications. Will be an interesting follow.
yep, guess there are no journalists looking to make a name and advance their career by exposing the serial computer crimes occurring at UM...don't forget that the fbi and ftc have a joint investigation regarding UM coaches gambling...only the sleuths on osu football boards can connect the dots...yep, pete thamel is being scooped by buckeye scoop, lol..amusing how rick in dayton has got this rolling on a psu board, lol
He made a factual assertion which is easily proven or disproven-- That they never ran the play before and that they had never used that formation before. If that is incorrect then his charges are wrong.
Also, I would point out that he is an exceptional player. He played linebacker against Utah in a bowl game and was the leading tackler with something like 15 tackles. Then for the next two years he played tight end and was drafted in the second or third round. He is the tough guy type of player who wouldn't make excuses if his play or that of OSU was not up to par.
Making a stop on defense is very different from calling out the play pre-snap.
The people saying this have been right about most of the things that happened so far.
all of these rumors, and yet the only concrete incident where actual practice footage was stolen happens to be the case of former buckeye kirk barton who was caught stealing osu footage for personal gain...interesting that he of all people is floating rumors about UM stealing footage..also interesting that at least one former buckeye staffer, joe stanek, is currently employed by catapult....looks like the phone call is coming from inside the house..
Wish that we played u guys this year. Looks like you are going to struggle without your boy Stallions to help you cheat.
how about focusing on your schedule....big ten did psu a solid, beat osu and you're in the playoff....should be simple, yes?...instead, you obsess about a team not even on your schedule, kinda pathetic actually
. Michigan will struggle from massive loss of starters on offense more than from Stallions IMO.
How are we proving any of that or that Michigan knew the play? I said nothing bad about Stover as a player or person but all players have made an excuse at some point in their career especially if he's angry with Michigan it's not "an excuse" but adding fuel to the fire.
Weren't we told by Ohio State people a decision was coming before the opener?
What did they get right so far considering nothing has happened? Serious question
Agreed- they sure could've just made the play. Wouldn't it be great of that was what what happened from the time Conor Boy joined the staff?
He would have us believe that he arranged and paid for people to tape game footage but NEVER looked at it?
This is Monica with Clinton and Trump w Porn Star logic. You can say what you want as many times as possible professing your "truth."
Anyone who actually believes it is a fool.
A YES/NO question for Westcoast and any other Michigan defender:
Did they knowingly break rules to gain a competitive advantage? Yes or No?
We've had our scandals. Welcome to yours. Does Conor have integrity? Harbaugh? Moore?
Why would your now Head Coach need to delete anything if it was all on the up and up?
#TAINTED. A word that will follow your "Championship" forever (except in parts of Michigan).
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I'm probably a Michigan defender so I'll go lol
Yes they knowingly broke the rules. It likely gave them an advantage but TCU used it to their advantage.
Does it matter if a coach has integrity?
People delete texts all the time? Do you keep every text you get? It's likely shady but more info is needed.
Do they care if it's "tainted"? Or are they just happy they won a title and got to enjoy the ride?
So some questions with questions lol but yes they knowingly cheated and don't care. So now it's "will the NCAA do anything real"
let's see what the noa says, the prior leaked version was careful to avoid charging CS with the actual statutory rule violation...more a case of him violating the spirit of the rule as opposed to the letter of the rule...if they broke the advanced scouting rule, and you can prove it, go ahead and punish them....the only recorded instance of this rule being violated resulted in a baylor coach being suspended for half of a game...that's how small the violation was considered by the ncaa, they accepted a half game suspension self imposed by baylor, lol..you can show me all of the spreadsheets, the iphone video and whatever, the rule violated is either a level 2 or 3 violation, something historically considered insignificant as far as punishments levied...all the rumors, all the speculation, are wet dreams of rival fanbases..congratulations for joining them in their fever dreams... 🤡
The timing of the deletion means a lot. Sherrone Moore was happy to keep the text for a good amount of time but then when the actions of stallion became public he promptly deleted his texts. A clear indication that he was concerned about being involved in a rule violation. It may turn out to be nothing, but the most reasonable conclusion now is that he was working to hide Michigan's rule violations.
I would add that I keep 99.9% of my own texts and view them as a database.
And I delete everything every couple months--it could be a sign of something but not necessarily. Either way we know Michigan cheated but I think people read into too much a lot of the time.
Very easy to prove or disprove Stover's statement that the play was never run before and at the formation was never used. There's game film for every game going back easily 5 years. You may or may not be able to tell whether the Michigan players had a special jump on the play by the circumstances. In any event, Stover is a credible person and his allegations deserve to be looked at closely.
Credible based on what? He has to prove the allegation not just make it
Everyone knows they cheated. It's just a matter of if the NCAA can prove it. Stallions essentially made his defense strategy public in the Netflix doc... he's going to say that he gained all of his info from TV copies and the opposite sideline and that he didn't use the videos that others sent to him. He won't deny receiving those videos or buying tickets for others because that can be proven, but he'll deny that he told those people to record and send the videos unless he knows there are records of him doing so in text messages or emails. Maybe he was dumb enough to do that electronically, after all he was dumb enough to keep his Venmo public.
We all know he's full of shit, but I don't know how you prove whether he used them or not unless you can find some plays and signals that were never shown on TV during his tenure where you have evidence of him on the sideline calling out signals for those plays. But it's clear he cheated, it's clear Harbaugh and the coaches knew. There's zero doubt in most people's minds and the known evidence to date supports that, but the NCAA has to prove it. Fortunately it's not a court of law so the NCAA has some liberty to draw conclusions. Also they are going to be more strict because of how UM has flaunted this publicly, acted like they are the victims, and spit in the face of the NCAA on a few occasions.
We all know he's full of shit, but I don't know how you prove whether he used them or not unless you can find some plays and signals that were never shown on TV during his tenure where you have evidence of him on the sideline calling out signals for those plays. But it's clear he cheated, it's clear Harbaugh and the coaches knew. There's zero doubt in most people's minds and the known evidence to date supports that, but the NCAA has to prove it. Fortunately it's not a court of law so the NCAA has some liberty to draw conclusions. Also they are going to be more strict because of how UM has flaunted this publicly, acted like they are the victims, and spit in the face of the NCAA on a few occasions.
First things first. I’ve never defended what has happened. I’ve been around here for ten years and have tried to always be respectful so no reason to come at me negatively. So here is my answer to your question. Yes. Also, I don’t like to see some Twitter post and run with it like it’s gospel. Which is exactly what is happening multiple times in this thread alone. You probably would agree that is what happens far too often with these “scandals”.
I just think it’s ridiculous to act like any play that gets called out and gets stopped automatically means it was because they hacked into practice footage of OSU. If we are to believe every tweet that comes out im surprised many here aren’t more upset about the articles talking about OSU getting PSU and other teams catapult practice videos.
The finish. Three years ago my mother was diagnosed with cancer and then she passed two years ago on Mother’s Day. Since that time I really don’t wrap myself up in things like college football like I used to. Still love it but I just don’t live it like I did in the past. Is what it is.
The only think that matters in all these discussions is Michigan broke the rules lied about it covered it up and got caught. Now we wait the punishment which will be harsh. Latest info is that Michigan is about to wave the white flag to the NCAA.
Do you ever get tired of having inside info that is never right so you backpedal. This...expansion...
Like everyone else here you have no idea
Waving the white flag lol
But it is a violation...correct?
So if you got a bj from someone other than your spouse that would be less severe than having intercourse?
There's your "wet dream". Cheater.
Period. # Tainted. Honor? Valiant?
Sad and bad for the sport.
In a Yes/NO scenario you agreed YES.
Your laughing face responses to anything negative about Michigan are not "respectful."
Yes- you seem to be a level headed poster. I try to be too. This is a place I go for fun. But Michigan clearly is in the wrong here.
My daughter died of natural causes in her dorm room as a freshman in college 6 years ago so I agree re perspective. Life matters more than games.
Bottom line for me: Michigan cheated. Knowingly. This isn't really in doubt.
The severity of consequences are the question now. All of the backend "rationale" is bull. Jack Harbaugh is probably a good man who raised his sons well. That doesn't mean Michigan didn't cheat. They did.
Football is a hobby not life. I do look at some UM media (Detroit paper/ fan sites) and the "take" there is decidedly different than everywhere else.
No ill will or war at you. We beat Bowling Green by 7 at home. Would've lost to UT by 40. That's why they play the games.
Michigan has earned severe sanctions from breaking rules and benefitting from wins, and all of the other positives that come from that (better recruits/ even higher profile/not firing Harbaugh at lowest point).
Whether "justice" is served is out of all of our hands. But in terms of ethical behavior- they clearly have failed.
Sincere condolences and best memories for you re your mom. Mine isn't far behind. I'm genuinely sorry if I was being a jerk.
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Great post. I appreciate it and my condolences to your family as well.
