Is it time to look at letting Seider explore other opportunities? Are his backs really that good? Are his recruits really difference makers? Is he getting us the players we need from Florida?
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Settle down. Could care less about whether a back is from Florida, California or Virginia. Singleton is the real deal.
Hell yeah he is.
But the others aren’t but somehow everyone gives Seider a pass. Fire Trautwine but Seider is amazing.
Have you had a problem with the backs in previous years?
Brown and Cain got hurt. Brown's career was ended, and Cain hasn't been himself.
Lee is only two years in the program.
The development of Ford has been rather disappointing as was Lovett this year. Jury still out on Holmes.
So on to the bowl and next year to find out, but I think it is too early to give up on Seider, esp. when he is still recruiting quality backs.
Brown and Cain got hurt. Brown's career was ended, and Cain hasn't been himself.
Lee is only two years in the program.
The development of Ford has been rather disappointing as was Lovett this year. Jury still out on Holmes.
So on to the bowl and next year to find out, but I think it is too early to give up on Seider, esp. when he is still recruiting quality backs.
“Lee is only two years in the Program”, and still hasn’t been told to stop freakin dancing, bust through the line, and make his OWN freakin holes on short down yardage. You can’t blame the line when your RB is afraid to blast up the middle, and break a few heads.
How is it Seider gets stuck with the slowest, softest backs in Penn State history?
Who has Seider recruited that has excelled? Name one of his Florida kids that have lit it up. Those two WRs transferred out. Holmes was supposed to be a Barkley type player and even got #26. Haven’t seen much of him in two years. Cain, Lee, and Ford have all regressed and pass protection skills are lacking. I wouldn’t give Seider a pass.
We have major coaching issues and no easy exit strategy now that Franklin has been given an extension and Sandy ceded what leverage she had over him. The only option is to recruit our way out but Pry and Yurcich will make that very difficult. For as good as the D was this year, it had fatal flaws and those flaws were directly related to Pry's performance as LB coach (which he should give up) and the complete lack of 3 and 5 tech linemen which absolutely critical to running this defense.
Offensively, we are two recruiting cycles from gathering enough linemen with the right athletic profile to run Yurcich's gap scheme. The gap scheme more than anything killed the running game this year. Our running backs are also over-rated but hardly the biggest issue. The downfield passing game was never going to develop with the receivers we have. Dotson made the most of it but he doesn't really strike fear into the heart of opponents like Chris Godwin or Allen Robinson did. We badly need a handful of big receivers that can play downfield, not smurfs that perform best in the slot to make Yurcich's offense work.
Offensively, we are two recruiting cycles from gathering enough linemen with the right athletic profile to run Yurcich's gap scheme. The gap scheme more than anything killed the running game this year. Our running backs are also over-rated but hardly the biggest issue. The downfield passing game was never going to develop with the receivers we have. Dotson made the most of it but he doesn't really strike fear into the heart of opponents like Chris Godwin or Allen Robinson did. We badly need a handful of big receivers that can play downfield, not smurfs that perform best in the slot to make Yurcich's offense work.
I thought you scheme based on the personnel you have as opposed to making the personnel fit the scheme. If we are trying to fit square pegs into round holes that’s at the core of the issues. And especially with the constant personnel and coaching turnover now rampant in CFB.
We have been through many O-line coaches. Maybe its the type of o lineman we go after. How do you measure the un-measurables? You know big heart and nastiness.
Holmes looks like the closest thing they have to an NFL back, and they don't play him. The guys they do play are slow straight line runners. Easy to see they don't have it.
It is the problem and will continue to be the problem with this team for the foreseeable future. If we are going to get over the hump, Franklin either needs to commit to only recruiting players that fit the systems that Pry and Yurcich run or continue to accumulate talent and fire both and hire coordinators in the mold of Joe Moorhead or Dave Aranda that are both able and willing to adjust their approaches to fit the talent on hand. Franklin is amassing enough talent to keep us competitive despite the holes he has recruited into the roster but that is it. We are actually farther away from a national championship than we were in 2016 (we were the third best team in our division) when the roster was much more balanced and we had an offensive coordinator capable of adjusting.
Every linemen that is currently playing was recruited and developed to operate in a mostly man blocking scheme with a very different offensive philosophy that was implemented by Joe Moorhead. This is very different from what they are expected to do now.
+1000....Holmes came in a week or so ago and ran with real quickness and ran "hard." Something that none our RB's do. They took him out and haven't seen him since, mind boggling sine Lee is slow as a turtle and dances around way too much.
Honestly, I thought Lee was going to be the tough physical runner we needed after watching him last year. This year it seems like they tried to slim down a big back and turn him into something he isn’t. This teams offense just isn’t physical.
It’s like we play our lousy offense. Once we fall behind just keep getting the ball to the Hamler or Dotson or whatever the years best playmaker is. That’s great against inferior competition. Once you are playing better teams this formula fails miserably.
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Lee is the most frustrating RB for me to watch that I can remember. Hesitates even when it looks like he has open space in front of him. On top of that he breaks one yesterday and still trips.....stumbles......bumbles.......
That may be true but this piss poor OL blocking has been going on for 6 years+. Remember the Buckeye game in 2017. First down at the 7 YL with the best RB in the nation. Three RPO's and we had 4th down on the 7 YL. We didn't gain an inch. Same with the Minny game. Barkley had something like -12 yards rushing the entire 2nd half. These O-lineman just can not run block because the get man handled at the LOS.
Watch the Mich game yesterday. Their OL was blocking LB's like I have never seen before and that was after making initial blocks at the LOS. OSU LB's were getting pissed off because they looked like bowling pins with the Mich OL knocking them around.
The other teams LB's are generally 2-3 yards in our backfield, no matter who we play. We couldn't even run block against Villanova!
im convinced that galt needs to reconsider his approach in the trenches. he's obviously incredible at producing speed/explosiveness, but the o-line and central d-linemen have been disappointing forever. the edge guys have also all been explosive/fast rather than overpowering. ebikete is the strongest one i can remember, but he had 4 years of training elsewhere first.
e: forgot to answer the thread question. hell no, seider is an ideal position coach.
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I have never negotiated a 10 year mega-million dollar contract extension, but (and I don't know so I might be wrong) I'd imagine that this process over the season had to negatively impact the entire staff (which might also impact the players)... so much angst and uncertainty, it has to rob them all of time and focus and energy -- best, imo, placed on the development and preparation of the football team.
Maybe none of it touched CJF or the coaches... maybe they just focused solely on their jobs 100% of the time, but that seems almost an inhuman expectation given all the worries about $$$ and job security so many have in this world.
I think this should have been wrapped up prior to the season (or dealt with after). How much of it tainted the program in '21 I won't know, but it does raise the question.
