Senior World Team Trials Challenge - May 16-17
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To be honest, I compared Hall to Bassett yesterday in the sense that Hall came to college fully developed but wasn’t able to jump another level. Still had a great career.
Shoutout to Jon for doing more homework than me. I don’t think Starocci meets any criteria here.
He’s not behind, Dake doesn’t expose, and Dake isn’t thrown into a prone or lateral position.
Won’t be popular on here and I think the UWW criteria is lacking, but I feel confident they got this right according to the rules. Definitely one position where folkstyle takedown criteria is better than freestyle.
I agree, not a TD per the strict criteria. Needed another point of contact. The official rulebook has an example for this exact situation, in bold below. Would have needed Dake's back less than 90 degrees and at least one hand/elbow down. Whether it should be a TD is another question; Starocci's position is pretty much in control, but freestyle is weird.
11.7 TAKEDOWN: awarded to the wrestler who takes his opponent to the mat with control and the defensive wrestler hits 3 points of contact (head, hands, elbows, and knees). All takedowns are worth two points. To achieve a takedown the offensive wrestler must:
Pass behind their opponent from a par terre position.
Take their opponent down to the mat from a standing position and pass behind their opponent's hips.
Gain control of one or both legs of his or her opponent while that wrestler is on his or her hip or in a sitting position on his or her backside while the plane of the defensive wrestler’s back is less than 90 degrees towards the mat all while the defensive wrestler plants their hand or elbow on the mat.
Lock up a cradle position while the defensive wrestler does not actively hold the leg of the offensive wrestler. In this case, it is not necessary to pass behind the hips of the defensive wrestler.
Examples that are not takedowns - if the offensive wrestler spins behind his or her opponent and the defensive wrestler attains a quadpod position, it is not considered a takedown until the defensive wrestler’s head, elbow or knee contact the mat. The “Merkle” position, where one wrestler has his/her leg encircled inside the leg of his or her opponent while in par terre and has the head and arm of their opponent locked at the same time is not considered a takedown in international wrestling because the offensive wrestler has not passed behind the defensive wrestler. The hips of the defensive athlete must be covered for the offensive wrestler to achieve a takedown.
You're saying he's just a fan of the sport?
I think with 6 seconds showing the actual time would be between 5.01 and 5.99...
My reasoning...
match starts with the clock showing 3:00. It takes a full second to get to 2:59. So, if there was a whistle to start and immediately stopped it still shows 2:59. Even if it was 2:59.99.
Also, when the clock shows 0:00, the match is over. At 0:00.01 the clock would still show 0:01.
Just my guess.
My biggest worry about Final X is obviously the concern over Yianni and his level of actual effort vs PSU/NLWC guys. Imagine my disappointment when the last time an NLWC guy beat him, we were all informed on this board that Yianni wasn't actually trying.
It was a hard thing to accept, realizing his huge win over Yianni meant nothing because Yianni wasn't trying. I think it actually happened again but this time Yianni had bumped his head, which once again rendered him impossible of trying to win the match.
I sincerely hope that Yianni will try this time, it would be most unfortunate to celebrate a PJ win, only to learn that once again, Yianni just wasn't trying. 😂
It was a hard thing to accept, realizing his huge win over Yianni meant nothing because Yianni wasn't trying. I think it actually happened again but this time Yianni had bumped his head, which once again rendered him impossible of trying to win the match.
I sincerely hope that Yianni will try this time, it would be most unfortunate to celebrate a PJ win, only to learn that once again, Yianni just wasn't trying. 😂
Mason is absolutely beside himself that the scoreboard permits more than 2 points.
Only if he is trying. Remember, the first two don't count because he just wasn't trying. 😂
His true freshman year, he lost to Brucki, Meyer and Bo Jordan. He avenged the loss to Bo to win the championship.
His sophomore year, he went undefeated until losing to Valencia in the championship.
His junior year, he beat Valencia in the dual going undefeated again going into the championship where he lost again to Valencia.
His senior year, he lost to Kem in the dual and beat him in the Big championship going into the tourney as the favorite to win the championship.
He had 3 losses his championship year and 3 losses total in his last 3 seasons.
It's hard to "jump levels" when you win (edit) the championship as a freshman, but I would argue that he most definitely improved from high school to his freshman to his later years.
Could you imagine Hall losing to Brucki or Meyer in his sophomore+ years?
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A couple of quick miscellaneous thoughts:
1) my first impression on the Dake/Cstar exchange was the Carter did not have enough for the winning TD. After watching it several more times, I still don’t see where he got Dake exposed enough for the TD. Props to Carter for taking the loss well. He’s a fiery competitor and I was worried about how he’d handle a loss to KD.
2) PJ is a damn thoroughbred! He took out two reigning NCAA champs just to make the finals and then took out a good, dangerous wrestler in Andonian. He’s going to be so fun to watch these next 4-5 years.
3) I can’t say enough good things about the women’s wrestlers. One of my wrestlers was at Central Regionals today and she was hoping and praying that she’d get to meet Amit Elor. She’s a massive fan and she not only got to meet her, she also got a picture with her and Amit signed her phone case. She also got pictures with Dymond Guilford and Erin Gholston. That followed her meeting Sarah Hildebrandt at Women’s Nationals in WA. It’s really cool that those women make it a point to socialize with the young girls coming up through the ranks. It means a lot more to them than they’ll ever know.
1) my first impression on the Dake/Cstar exchange was the Carter did not have enough for the winning TD. After watching it several more times, I still don’t see where he got Dake exposed enough for the TD. Props to Carter for taking the loss well. He’s a fiery competitor and I was worried about how he’d handle a loss to KD.
2) PJ is a damn thoroughbred! He took out two reigning NCAA champs just to make the finals and then took out a good, dangerous wrestler in Andonian. He’s going to be so fun to watch these next 4-5 years.
3) I can’t say enough good things about the women’s wrestlers. One of my wrestlers was at Central Regionals today and she was hoping and praying that she’d get to meet Amit Elor. She’s a massive fan and she not only got to meet her, she also got a picture with her and Amit signed her phone case. She also got pictures with Dymond Guilford and Erin Gholston. That followed her meeting Sarah Hildebrandt at Women’s Nationals in WA. It’s really cool that those women make it a point to socialize with the young girls coming up through the ranks. It means a lot more to them than they’ll ever know.
Carter should hit as many Ranking Series and international tournaments as he can.
He has a phenomenal defensive base. He needs to get international looks.
He has a phenomenal defensive base. He needs to get international looks.
Somewhere, in some basement; Nomad will be shouting to the heavens
I don't disagree with your post all, and I wasn't dissing Hall. He had a great career. It's just a perception I have that maybe is caused by a lack of finality his senior year. I look at Hall and see one title but as you say, he was one guy and covid away from potentially being a 4 timer.
It’s the one running “joke” that I never understood people saying it getting shot down: Zahid was clearly 10 pounds heavier every time they wrestled. You could see it.
We found out later that creatine wasn’t the only powdery substance he was using, which helped him I’m sure.
We found out later that creatine wasn’t the only powdery substance he was using, which helped him I’m sure.
Exactly right. Nick wins 65kg if he didn’t get injured.
And that is said with 0.000% bias. 😉
The fun thing is, when @Hoosier Lion says something positive about Nick, he almost always ends up being right.
Yeah, I’m just foolin’ w/ Hoosier. Looking back, it’s been fun to see the statements made with conviction about Nick over the years, now continuing years after Nick’s graduation, and probably through Nick’s future coaching career (if I had to guess). The consistency makes me smile.
What a weekend for the boys! Especially given some of the recent news headlines, even the Bo fight somehow felt like a slap to the fan base. But while other teams look for any reason to make a highlight reel, this train keeps on moving along.
This post is almost as bad as the "Holy crap!" posts during tournaments. Link? Context? Anything?
I don't have Instagram. My daughter sent me a screen shot.
Bash posted the dake over carter score and she reposted and added "nothing makes me happier in wrestling then when the good guy wins"
Bash posted the dake over carter score and she reposted and added "nothing makes me happier in wrestling then when the good guy wins"
It was a graphic of Dake beating Carter and she said there is nothing better than when the good guy wins. Pronouns in bio girl so who cares. May be as simple as Carter telling Beau he’s just not a killer out there and that’s why the big matches always slip away.
"Pronouns in bio girl."
High Schooler PJ Duke Earns a Spot in Final X
Here I thought Beau was a pretty good guy in his 5 NCAA tournaments.
To paraphrase a quote I once heard: "Let the little sidewalk dogs bark as the caravan moves on by."
He is my early pick for 2nd at 165 next year
So true. When they wrestled in the dual and Zahid did not have the recovery time after a weigh-in, Mark handled him decisively.
Who needed Ozempic when a bump was handy to get you through that weight cut.
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