Shooting at California H.S. 7 victims presently! Sad!!
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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A writer I follow on twitter reported the sirens and police a good bit before the news outlets broke the story. He's tweeting about picking his kids up from elementary school where he just dropped them off for their Thanksgiving assembly...
Impossible. California has the most strict gun control laws in the country, and continually we're told more laws are needed to stop gun violence.
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If any dolt can buy a gun the laws aren't 'strict'. But, way to get your political talking point to the forefront of yet another story about children being murdered in schools.
Phew! Certainly makes me feel better.
Post_ShockTherapy_MackDaddy
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"I never thought this would happen at my school," Sophomore Brooklyn Moreno said. "I'm still kinda in shock right now. I’ve been shaking and crying a lot -- I’m an emotional wreck."
Thoughts and prayers! Thoughts and prayers!
See, all better now.
See, all better now.
Ammosexuals always have to make a political point when it comes to their favorite fetish. What kind of sorry assed society has routine slaughters in public and private places? Our's.If any dolt can buy a gun the laws aren't 'strict'. But, way to get your political talking point to the forefront of yet another story about children being murdered in schools.
Phew! Certainly makes me feel better.
CNN is saying one dead, two others critical and a fourth in good condition at one hospital. Two others were taken to a different hospital.
Just curious. Since you are obviously in the camp of "no more laws" do you think we need less laws or are the ones we have currently just right?
If any dolt can buy a gun the laws aren't 'strict'. But, way to get your political talking point to the forefront of yet another story about children being murdered in schools.
Phew! Certainly makes me feel better.
You don't like facts?
Gun laws are a tough subject. I certainly believe in my right to protect my family. It also saddens me greatly everytime I read this crap. If there are sensible laws that can prevent this I'm all for it. With that being said, making things illegal hasn't worked so well for our government, see drugs
Guns can easily be transported across state lines.
So your position is to leave the guns laws intact and make no changes? What are you proposing? Are you proposing to do nothing?
Way to politicize the tragedy in under 5 posts - can really tell how much you care about those who lost their lives. Good job comrade.
I'll add my two cents. Let's elect Robert O'Rourke President, kick down everyone's door, seize their guns (better grab their knives, axe handles, bowling balls, ball bats, lead pipes, etc. too) and then all murders will cease because everyone knows it's the inanimate objects that decide to kill.
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Changing behavior/tendency is way easier than simply restricting firearm purchases, right? All we have to do is tell people not to use guns to kill people (which, you know, is their intended use). Like how we make drugs illegal or extremely difficult to get because people don't know how to use them responsibly - er, wait....
One new law. The sentence for a conviction for using a firearm to commit a crime is the death penalty. And, not after sitting on "life row" at taxpayer expense for 30 years, but within 1 year after all appeals are exhausted. People that like to use firearms to commit crimes disappear and law abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional right have nothing to fear.
As the late Joe Paterno once sad, "We'll take your money but you can keep your two cents." Having some new laws like better background checks is not a radical idea nor is it ever going to be a complete solution that will make the shootings go away. If it prevented just one shooting then why would we not explore some changes?
I'm not going to get into the politics or emotions of the "gun control' debate. I raised a family safe and secure and never had a weapon in the house for protection. I'll acknowledge that there are likely places or circumstances were people feel this is a necessity.
As a former teacher, I just die a little every time this happens. Our children are sitting ducks.
I fear that some day there will be an incident that is so horrific that everyone will finally be moved to find a solution/compromise to protect our kids. We've lost dozens at one time....will it take hundreds in one incident? Private individuals have guns that can quickly kill hundreds........dear Lord I pray we will find a solution before something like this happens.
As a former teacher, I just die a little every time this happens. Our children are sitting ducks.
I fear that some day there will be an incident that is so horrific that everyone will finally be moved to find a solution/compromise to protect our kids. We've lost dozens at one time....will it take hundreds in one incident? Private individuals have guns that can quickly kill hundreds........dear Lord I pray we will find a solution before something like this happens.
Problems. ...
Supreme Court banning clean and sweeps of gang activity areas.
Easy money. Too much money.
As kids, we had death lists and teachers graves we were going to shit on. The difference?
A mom and dad household, an upbringing, and a lack of money. This has all gone out the window, backed by the assholes on the so called Supreme Court .
A bunch of "learned (?)" Jerkoffs.
Supreme Court banning clean and sweeps of gang activity areas.
Easy money. Too much money.
As kids, we had death lists and teachers graves we were going to shit on. The difference?
A mom and dad household, an upbringing, and a lack of money. This has all gone out the window, backed by the assholes on the so called Supreme Court .
A bunch of "learned (?)" Jerkoffs.
I don't disagree, just offering a more encompassing solution. And please don't return my two cents while offering your own.
There won't be a simple solution that stops every gun crime. Telling people not to use guns? Interesting that when I was a kid, my dad (and his dad) kept a loaded rifle in the corner of his bedroom. I didn't need to be told that taking it to school and killing someone was wrong. Can't do that anymore if you have children in the house and I'm not sure what changed.
I'm a gun owner. I've been open about that here. I'm also former military, so I have a significant amount of training. I don't think confiscating weapons or making certain weapons illegal will do much. For one thing, there a too many of those types of weapons that nobody would be able to locate because of the lack of rules governing the sale of such weapons between private parties. So how would you ever find them all? And I won't even get into the increased number of police we'd need (or the increased level of home security) due to the reduced risk of running into an armed homeowner who believes in defending his home.
In my opinion, what would help is stricter rules on locking up guns (making it almost impossible -- and illegal -- for a high school kid to gain access to a gun without the parent knowing). Requiring training prior to purchasing a gun (prevents those impulse purchase / murders). And background checks for all private sales similar to how handguns are currently handled.
I usually get criticism from both sides for my ideas -- too much or not enough. But don't we need to do something? And shouldn't we actually use some common sense?
There seems to be no magic solution to this awful problem. I think that when the perpetrator is a child (say less than 17 years old) then the biological parents should in some way be held accountable. It is up to parents to raise a child who doesn't do these savage acts. If the parents knew that they would in some way be held partially responsible, maybe they would be more diligent in raising decent kids and in asking for help with the kids show signs of aberrant behavior.
What you are suggesting would make people not want to have kids at all. But think about your first sentence more. If a child, under 18 or still in high school, commits a crime like this, where did that child get the firearm? How did that child have access to that firearm? That's the far more reasonable, more common sense approach. Figure out how to prevent that child from gaining access to the firearm without the parent knowing about it. Require the firearm to be locked in a safe so the child cannot get to it without the parent giving it to him. And then hold the parent accountable if the child gained access to it and used it in a crime (unless the child somehow destroyed the safe to get the firearm).
So you want to trample on other Constitutional rights in order to further your desire to bastardize and abuse another.
Make it easier to enforce existing laws. Make the data in background checks more complete. If a data source is used for a background check, it should be current and complete at all times. That's why adding additional background checks won't fix anything. Change the narrative to focus on the two real problems with gun deaths (suicide and inner city crime), and not try to make mass shootings the sole problem (since mass shooting deaths make up pennies on the dollar). Change the narrative to hammer home that "assault rifles" aren't the problem (since gun deaths with any kind of long rifle, single shot or not, make up about 2% of gun deaths). Politicians have screwed these up big time.
No, arming teachers isn't the answer. No, having everyone carry isn't the answer. Red flag laws are an interesting concept, but wrought with other issues.
But back to mass shootings (and suicides, too), how to stop them? Damn good question. Society in general is more volatile these days and we could all debate for days why that's the case. Find the reason people are compelled to shoot themselves or someone else and you'll have yourself a nobel prize.
We've got over 40% of households who legally have guns (and who knows how many more who illegally have guns). That's what, nearly 200 million people who are in a house with at least one gun nearby and that many more who are commonly in a house that has a gun. Yet "only" 34k gun deaths per year, most of those suicides. While there's a problem, something else must be going right for the problem to not be much much worse.
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So, then, your stance is to let the kids continue to get killed at school ... because their lives are "pennies on the dollar."
Got it. WOW!
That's what you got out of that post? Sorry, I can't help you then.
Focus on the bigger problem, that helps solve the smaller one. But for people who only focus on the smaller problem, they're simply hypocrites.
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This is just terrible.
I haven't seen if they caught the shooter.
Anybody?
Update: Shooter in custody.
I haven't seen if they caught the shooter.
Anybody?
Update: Shooter in custody.
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Seems everyone struggles to find a way to fix this horrible problem. Maybe the start of a solution would be to attempt to understand why there were no mass shootings until the past decade or so. Fifty years ago guns were just as plentiful. Hatred was about the same. Mental illness was surely present. What was the restraining force that prevented people from perpetrating mass school shootings? Somebody in a prior post said that "When I was growing up nobody would even think of such a thing." What kept people for thinking of such a thing? How can we restore whatever it is that caused kids to not consider mass shootings?
Not trying to provoke anything. Found this to be interesting. For the record I do believe gun laws should be tightened up.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/
My idea has always been this:
The government needs to know where every single gun is and who it is registered to. That person can own any kind of gun they want to own as long as it is registered. This is probably what happens now, I don't know.
However, here is the deal. If you are registered for a gun, you better have it. Huge fines if not.
Another, if you are the registered own of the gun and that gun commits the crime, you are held liable to some point.
Basically, there is some kind of way these people are getting guns in their hands.....lets also go after the people the gun is registered to.
The government needs to know where every single gun is and who it is registered to. That person can own any kind of gun they want to own as long as it is registered. This is probably what happens now, I don't know.
However, here is the deal. If you are registered for a gun, you better have it. Huge fines if not.
Another, if you are the registered own of the gun and that gun commits the crime, you are held liable to some point.
Basically, there is some kind of way these people are getting guns in their hands.....lets also go after the people the gun is registered to.
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