Shooting at California H.S. 7 victims presently! Sad!!

[Nitt1300]

two things you can't talk about in this country- race and guns

(maybe add health care and climate change)

and nothing in history has ever gotten better by not talking about it

so we're pretty much screwed

 

[TheGLOV]

Seems everyone struggles to find a way to fix this horrible problem. Maybe the start of a solution would be to attempt to understand why there were no mass shootings until the past decade or so. Fifty years ago guns were just as plentiful. Hatred was about the same. Mental illness was surely present. What was the restraining force that prevented people from perpetrating mass school shootings? Somebody in a prior post said that "When I was growing up nobody would even think of such a thing." What kept people for thinking of such a thing? How can we restore whatever it is that caused kids to not consider mass shootings?

Don't publicize it!

 

[paws1957]

Seems everyone struggles to find a way to fix this horrible problem. Maybe the start of a solution would be to attempt to understand why there were no mass shootings until the past decade or so. Fifty years ago guns were just as plentiful. Hatred was about the same. Mental illness was surely present. What was the restraining force that prevented people from perpetrating mass school shootings? Somebody in a prior post said that "When I was growing up nobody would even think of such a thing." What kept people for thinking of such a thing? How can we restore whatever it is that caused kids to not consider mass shootings?

Hell we used to have gun racks in the back windows and took them to school all the time during hunting season. No one got shot then.

 

[PSU87]

My idea has always been this:

The government needs to know where every single gun is and who it is registered to. That person can own any kind of gun they want to own as long as it is registered. This is probably what happens now, I don't know.

However, here is the deal. If you are registered for a gun, you better have it. Huge fines if not.

Another, if you are the registered own of the gun and that gun commits the crime, you are held liable to some point.

Basically, there is some kind of way these people are getting guns in their hands.....lets also go after the people the gun is registered to.

Actually the Federal government does not register guns. Registration varies state to state.

Are you honestly proposing that if one of my guns is stolen, and 10 years from now it's used to kill someone, I'm going to be liable?

Nothing wrong with the 1st part of your proposal...although Canada is scrapping their long gun registry for a reason. The 2nd is a non starter.

Now if my gun is not properly stored or I give it to someone.....

 

[MJG-90]

The government needs to know where every single gun is and who it is registered to. That person can own any kind of gun they want to own as long as it is registered. This is probably what happens now, I don't know.

Not even close to what happens now. And that list would be illegal per the Firearm Owners Protection Act.

 

[Texas Lion]

Not even close to what happens now. And that list would be illegal per the Firearm Owners Protection Act.

then there is your problem.

 

[LemonEars]

Hell we used to have gun racks in the back windows and took them to school all the time during hunting season. No one got shot then.

Very true. The present generation is appalled when they hear about this. Recently a kid in Pittsburgh got expelled for having a BB gun in his backpack.

Here's a true story: In 1966 my senior high school class went on a trip to NY City. The chaperone (high school math teacher) suggested that the senior boys bring along pistols "to protect the girls". We did. I had a pistol in my belt under my shirt. Nothing bad happened. That was the mentality back then. People were not scared of guns, handled them properly, and treated them with respect. Something has changed. I'm not sure what it is.

 

[PSU87]

then there is your problem.

How exactly is that the problem?

I'm not saying registration can't be part of a multi pronged solution, but as I mentioned in my post above, Canada tried it and 17 years and a couple billion dollars later have decided to scrap their plan. Didn't help prevent or solve any crimes.

 

[SR108]

Impossible. California has the most strict gun control laws in the country, and continually we're told more laws are needed to stop gun violence.

To easy to come to this conclusion. Do we know what type of gun was used? Was it legal or illegal in Californi

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/santa-clarita-school-shooting/index.html

Do they know what type of gun was used?

 

[Texas Lion]

How exactly is that the problem?

I'm not saying registration can't be part of a multi pronged solution, but as I mentioned in my post above, Canada tried it and 17 years and a couple billion dollars later have decided to scrap their plan. Didn't help prevent or solve any crimes.

It is a problem because there doesn't seem to be any accountability when it comes to guns. Maybe a dad will lock his safe tighter, maybe an owner will think twice before an uncertified selling, maybe someone will call the police immediately if their gun is stolen. For goodness sake, we put chips in animals so we can find them if they are missing.

You want to own 15 AR's, that's fine....just know where all 15 are all the time.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

To easy to come to this conclusion. Do we know what type of gun was used? Was it legal or illegal in Californi

Do they know what type of gun was used?

Hand gun; suspect killed a 16 year old girl and 14 year old boy. Shot himself after - in critical condition. It was his birthday.

 

[MJG-90]

It is a problem because there doesn't seem to be any accountability when it comes to guns. Maybe a dad will lock his safe tighter, maybe an owner will think twice before an uncertified selling, maybe someone will call the police immediately if their gun is stolen. For goodness sake, we put chips in animals so we can find them if they are missing.

You want to own 15 AR's, that's fine....just know where all 15 are all the time.

This is different than having a registry. The problem with a registry is that there are already X million guns out there that are not registered as you would like. How do you gain control of that list? And the reason that the registry was outlawed in the Act I mentioned above is because the ATF was harassing certain gun sellers who were required to be registered (without looking it up I think it was due to what they were selling). And connect the dots, if the government knows who owns every gun, they know who to harass when a crime is committed ("we know you own a .45, so we need proof it wasn't you that committed this crime"). It's a slippery slope.

That said, there are ways to make people more responsible gun owners. As you mentioned maybe dad would lock his safe tighter if he could be held accountable for his child using his gun in a crime. And knowing where every gun is at all times (or at least believing they are still locked in a safe until you notice the safe was robbed somehow) should be the responsibility of every gun owner. If a gun is stolen it needs to be reported stolen, even if it was purchased through a private sale with no background check.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

How exactly is that the problem?

I'm not saying registration can't be part of a multi pronged solution, but as I mentioned in my post above, Canada tried it and 17 years and a couple billion dollars later have decided to scrap their plan. Didn't help prevent or solve any crimes.

Look up what is needed to buy a gun in Canada and what guns qualify as non-restricted, restricted, and prohibited.

 

[CCFlamingo]

Guns can easily be transported across state lines.

And open borders

 

[SR108]

To easy to come to this conclusion. Do we know what type of gun was used? Was it legal or illegal in Californi

Do they know what type of gun was used?

At least he did not have a semi automatic assault type rifle. There would have been much more carnage. So in one respect, the more restrictive laws may have helped.

 

[PSU87]

Look up what is needed to buy a gun in Canada and what guns qualify as non-restricted, restricted, and prohibited.

I'm well aware....

The subject is registration. In the case of Canada it didn't work. I'm simply pointing out that registration really doesn't do much. Do the types of guns available in Canada change that specific part of this discussion?

Again....not against it. Just that when anyone mentions it I'm curious to see how they think it will help.

 

[Texas Lion]

Actually the Federal government does not register guns. Registration varies state to state.

Are you honestly proposing that if one of my guns is stolen, and 10 years from now it's used to kill someone, I'm going to be liable?

Nothing wrong with the 1st part of your proposal...although Canada is scrapping their long gun registry for a reason. The 2nd is a non starter.

Now if my gun is not properly stored or I give it to someone.....

No, hopefully if one of your guns is stolen you contact the correct authorities and there is a provision of some sort. However, if your gun is stolen and you dont report it and that gun kills someone, then yes, you should be liable.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I'm well aware....

The subject is registration. In the case of Canada it didn't work. I'm simply pointing out that registration really doesn't do much. Do the types of guns available in Canada change that specific part of this discussion?

Again....not against it. Just that when anyone mentions it I'm curious to see how they think it will help.

I think your understanding of the change in registration laws is wrong. The new law no longer requires registration of non-restricted guns - hunting rifles and shotguns (though you still have to register them in Quebec). Restricted and prohibited guns, to include handguns, must still be registered. In fact, the new law went into effect in Quebec just this year and as a result had a record number of gun owners hand in their weapons rather than comply.

 

[TheGLOV]

To easy to come to this conclusion. Do we know what type of gun was used? Was it legal or illegal in Californi

Do they know what type of gun was used?

Not sure sir. I'm sure it will come out.

 

[PSU87]

I think your understanding of the change in registration laws is wrong. The new law no longer requires registration of non-restricted guns - hunting rifles and shotguns (though you still have to register them in Quebec). Restricted and prohibited guns, to include handguns, must still be registered. In fact, the new law went into effect in Quebec just this year and as a result had a record number of gun owners hand in their weapons rather than comply.

No I understand. You are subtly expanding the issue though.

Your example of Canadian handgun registration is of a process so onerous, people would rather turn in their guns than comply with the process. That is more than registration.

Simple straight up registration....like the Canadian long gun registry... is the type of registration I'm talking about. I feel it doesn't prevent or solve crime and Canada is scrapping that part of their plan for a reason.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

No I understand. You are subtly expanding the issue though.

Your example of Canadian handgun registration is of a process so onerous, people would rather turn in their guns than comply with the process. That is more than registration.

Simple straight up registration....like the Canadian long gun registry... is the type of registration I'm talking about. I feel it doesn't prevent or solve crime and Canada is scrapping that part of their plan for a reason.

Okay, we're crossing streams here. You said 'Canada scrapped their registration plan' because it was costly and didn't work. That is only partially true. They scrapped the registration of 'non-restricted' guns - which are hunting rifles and shotguns - not 'all' guns as you seem to imply. Restricted guns, which include handguns, must still be registered and have always had to be registered. Prohibited guns are still prohibited. You must still pass a course and get a license to purchase *any* gun (level of license depends on type you want to buy). Quebec has re-enacted the 'non-restricted' gun registration, and *those* are the guns people are turning in as opposed to registering them. So, no one is turning in handguns, and other restricted guns, because they have *always* had to be registered. Tracking?

As to whether or not any of this prevents gun deaths/violence, that is debatable. What isn't debatable is how much lower Canada's gun deaths are per capita.

 

[PSU87]

Okay, we're crossing streams here. You said 'Canada scrapped their registration plan' because it was costly and didn't work. That is only partially true. They scrapped the registration of 'non-restricted' guns - which are hunting rifles and shotguns - not 'all' guns as you seem to imply. Restricted guns, which include handguns, must still be registered and have always had to be registered. Prohibited guns are still prohibited. You must still pass a course and get a license to purchase *any* gun (level of license depends on type you want to buy). Quebec has re-enacted the 'non-restricted' gun registration, and *those* are the guns people are turning in as opposed to registering them. So, no one is turning in handguns, and other restricted guns, because they have *always* had to be registered. Tracking?

As to whether or not any of this prevents gun deaths/violence, that is debatable. What isn't debatable is how much lower Canada's gun deaths are per capita.

Yes. I should have been more specific. The long gun registry.

 

[PSU_522]

Shooter used a 45 caliber pistol, shooter is dead .. pistol would have been legal in CA but only with a magazine of under 10 rounds I believe. Still illegal for him too have it under the age of 21 so guessing he got it from a relative (stolen)