I admit that I do not know how to post a link to a story, but SI and Yahoo sports both have an article that names the basketball schools involved in the federal investigation. They include Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and Texas.
SIAP: College Basketball Federal Investigation
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. There are some huge loans and some small meals. By NCAA rule, anything under $200 can be paid back or given to charity and no eligibility issues. But there are a lot of past players mentioned with large loans.
In the case of the NC State player Smith, looks like he took the loan while he was still in HS. I imagine other schools being faced with something similar. What happens if a player did this, making him ineligible, and let's say in all honesty the respective college did not know? They played a player that was ineligible but may have been ignorant to the fact. Crazy. Let me also say I do not think this is the case in many of the circumstances.
Can go through any number of "what if" scenarios, but it's pointless without more details of the cases.One thing appears to be clear: NCAA basketball is screwed. Can't say that I'm entirely unhappy about the prospect.
Which means we will be banned by Emmert from the tournament for four years, while Kentucky, UNC, etc will be told not to do it again.
There appear to be so many loans, some large, some pretty small, that I doubt the NCAA does much here. There are just too many to players, family members, coaches, etc. and it involves too many schools from Utah and Creighton to Duke and UNC.
Then there are issues of who knew what when. Did the university know or was this behind their back? Can you punish a university for playing a player they may not have known was ineligible? What a mess.
Then there are issues of who knew what when. Did the university know or was this behind their back? Can you punish a university for playing a player they may not have known was ineligible? What a mess.
Oh, I think the NCAA has a very fine mess on its hands regardless of the culpability of the schools. What does it say to the public? "Ya know, we really can't do anything about dozens of our (amateur) players taking money under the table." How do you think that plays in Peoria?
Which is a real slap in the face when you look at the state of our program through the years...
Curious to see what MSU’s reaction especially with Miles Bridges names.... No way Izzo knew LOL !
Let’s see how Sparty handles this one...
Yeah, I would like to know when Newbill got the money and what it was given for. "Loan"?
yeah...and the program (any program) may or may not be involved. A lot of this happens like this:
- Kid gets invited to a camp
- "handler" helps kid get to camp for free
- handler develops a relationship
- camp starts to categorize kids as can't miss
- handler arranges loans to him and/or family
- handler creates almost a loan shark program where the kid and his family are leveraged
- handler gains access to colleges because they own the kid
- college ends up in a pay to play situation with the handler
- now you've got all kinds of payoff, corruption, and laws broken
Hear that DJ's loan was after he graduated and it was to pay for him to get over to Europe to play. Sounds like a nonstory but I'm sure the haters will be all over it.
Disagree with your last sentence. If the NBA required pro prospects to be out longer there would be more need/desire for cash and more opportunities for agents to hand it out.
I also find the whole NCAA amateur BS comical when you look at the issue surrounding the NCAA tourney and gambling... have any of you been out to Vegas during Sweet 18... Elite 8 or Final 4 ?
Or been involved in your own office pools ?
Yet... NCAA fighting NJ over gambling issues and hosting Tourney’s ?
Hilarious....
The immediate question is what do teams with current players that show up on this list do now? The smart answer would be to sit them indefinitely.
I'm sure they'd find the same thing if they looked at the same school's football programs.
I'm just waiting for the spin on this. The NCAA will defer it by saying that they need to wait for the conclusion of the Federal investigation. Won't stop the drums from beating louder and louder. The Mad Albanian won't let this opportunity for a Pulitzer slip away.
Very obvious that some payments were to guys in high school. Balance sheet is dated Dec., 2015. Bam Adebayo and Dennis Smith were both still in high school at that point.
I don't think PSU basketball is relevant enough to even have haters. Given the major basketball programs on this list - UNC, Duke, Kansas, MSU, etc. - nobody is going to pay much attention to Newbill or PSU.
I wouldn't sit them at all. What does sitting them accomplish? The possibility of avoiding NCAA violations that may be coming anyway? Who cares.
The haters hate the University as a whole. Any mention of PSU anything brings the slime out from under their rocks.
I would rather the coaches and anyone who would have been remotely involved be put on administrative leave without pay. Found innocent, you'll get your pay. Found guilty, should never be permitted to coach at the college or high school level again.
Just my $0.02.
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Perhaps..I just see one and dones as main targets for agents because they're off to the NBA no matter what happens during their one season. The one and done kids are easy to identify and have no motive at school other than to get ready for the NBA. No need to go to class after the season is done or any part of the spring for that matter. They aren't losing eligibility and have zero consequences to deal with if the school has anything to answer to down the road. I'd rather them stay for 3 years or let them go straight to the NBA. Keeping them in school for a year does nothing positive other than maybe letting some kids realize they aren't going to the NBA after one year..
Emmert needs to do nothing...this will happen anyway without his involvement.
