SIAP & for those who've not yet seen: Lubrano has responded RE Emmert

[Tom McAndrew]

Anthony, unfortunately its too late IMO. Just reading what's been said nationally of PSU before and after the win Saturday makes that clear.

The task has been made more difficult due to the original story, from 2011, and the Freeh report from 2012, being adopted as the truth by so many folks that have not bothered to follow the saga. The collective lack of a spine and a challenge to the narrative by the PSU Admin and the leadership of the BOT, certainly has not helped. That said, I don't think it's too late. Truth will usually triumph, even if it does take a long time for it to come to the public arena.

There's only 2 possibilities IMO which could move the needle in any way. First, a major bombshell in the Freeh notes. Clearly, that's not there or it would have been in front of a judge and released by now.

Negative on that. The alumni-elected trustees fought too hard to get access to the files. There would be no reason for them to go before a judge with a bombshell they unearthed, or a series of mini-bombsheels.

Second, the governor and Attorney General finding some prosecutorial misconduct in the prior staff and acting on it (like Duke lacrosse). Given Wolf's lack of interest in the issue I don't see that ever happening.

The Governor has no say on investigating or charging members of the OAG with anything, so I'm not sure why you even mention him. As for the AG, things were rather complicated there from 2013 until today. Only time will tell what AG Shapiro does.

Even Delany feels comfortable openly snubbing Penn St in the media as we've seen the past few days. Yet again, Barron and Sandy melted away from any defense of the kids on the team, much less the greater university.

I don't disagree with you, but that's not really relevant to Lubrano's point, or to your response.

 

[psu00]

The task has been made more difficult due to the original story, from 2011, and the Freeh report from 2012, being adopted as the truth by so many folks that have not bothered to follow the saga. The collective lack of a spine and a challenge to the narrative by the PSU Admin and the leadership of the BOT, certainly has not helped. That said, I don't think it's too late. Truth will usually triumph, even if it does take a long time for it to come to the public arena.



Negative on that. The alumni-elected trustees fought too hard to get access to the files. There would be no reason for them to go before a judge with a bombshell they unearthed, or a series of mini-bombsheels.



The Governor has no say on investigating or charging members of the OAG with anything, so I'm not sure why you even mention him. As for the AG, things were rather complicated there from 2013 until today. Only time will tell what AG Shapiro does.



I don't disagree with you, but that's not really relevant to Lubrano's point, or to your response.

I respectfully disagree. Obviously, events of 2011/12 have made things more difficult but it's been 5 years. Barring a bombshell type event the rest of the country won't pay any attention, much less change opinion. They've moved on long ago.

The A9 fought for access to Freeh. If there is anything important found- it does no good so long as it's sealed. Without getting a judge to release any such info it's worthless. It would simply be a repeat of the 'I know something but can't tell you' posts that drive everyone here crazy.

Not sure why you're so touchy over the mention of the governor. My point about the governor/AG is that it will take someone of that stature to push the case to reverse anything in public opinion. State Senator John Yudichak, Jay Paterno, Wick Sollers, etc aren't going to do that. They will be instantly dismissed.

The point about Delany was just a very recent example of where we stand. The guy is paid to represent all universities in the conference. Even he doesn't make an effort anymore to represent (or at least pretend to represent) Penn State in public. The window to fix this is literally at, if not already past, the end IMO. (And, with all respect, while I certainly don't claim to be a gifted writer- I'm good with deciding what to put in my posts without your professorial critique. ).

 

[artsandletters]

What if it was in righting?

Could have been aural.

 

[elvis63]

There is nothing out there that will reverse public opinion to pre scandal days.
Just time , that will eventually make most get to The Who cares point.

 

[lionlurker]

The only way public opinion changes is if the Paterno suit turns into an OJ-type of trial, and/or some journalistic entity picks up this ball and runs with it. Barring that, it's going to be difficult, unless there really is big-time proof in Freeh's documents that point to misconduct or treachery. And you'd have to be a fool not to think that anything that is potentially damaging was scrubbed clean long ago.

 

[jim cummings]

I respectfully disagree. Obviously, events of 2011/12 have made things more difficult but it's been 5 years. Barring a bombshell type event the rest of the country won't pay any attention, much less change opinion. They've moved on long ago.

The A9 fought for access to Freeh. If there is anything important found- it does no good so long as it's sealed. Without getting a judge to release any such info it's worthless. It would simply be a repeat of the 'I know something but can't tell you' posts that drive everyone here crazy.

Not sure why you're so touchy over the mention of the governor. My point about the governor/AG is that it will take someone of that stature to push the case to reverse anything in public opinion. State Senator John Yudichak, Jay Paterno, Wick Sollers, etc aren't going to do that. They will be instantly dismissed.

The point about Delany was just a very recent example of where we stand. The guy is paid to represent all universities in the conference. Even he doesn't make an effort anymore to represent (or at least pretend to represent) Penn State in public. The window to fix this is literally at, if not already past, the end IMO. (And, with all respect, while I certainly don't claim to be a gifted writer- I'm good with deciding what to put in my posts without your professorial critique. ).

This

 

[kgilbert78]

The only way public opinion changes is if the Paterno suit turns into an OJ-type of trial, and/or some journalistic entity picks up this ball and runs with it. Barring that, it's going to be difficult, unless there really is big-time proof in Freeh's documents that point to misconduct or treachery. And you'd have to be a fool not to think that anything that is potentially damaging was scrubbed clean long ago.

Maybe they can find two or three e-mails that mention Freeh and the NCAA in an obscure manner, in the millions of e-mails Freeh generated..... I mean, it worked for Freeh.....

 

[Omar81]

Nice little statement by AL. But is this (nearly 3 months later) the "more" he promised would be coming after September 17? That seemed to go up in smoke, didn't it? I'm afraid we're all going to be hearing "be patient" until we die.

 

[Nellie R]

Nobody has asked this, "Why did ESPN even bother to quote you in their article?"

The article could have (albeit tainted and false) stood on Mein Fuhrer Emmerts comments alone. And, history shows that such a one sided opinion fits nicely into ESPN's agenda.

So, again, why did ESPN include you in their article?

Because Rittenberg was
1. Fishing for clicks all morning (yesterday) with his Emmert tweets from the Learfield conference in NY

2. Getting hammered on Twitter by everyone else for printing that Emmert garbage without writing the other half. He received a boatload of tweets with documents from Corman v NCAA as well. Corman addressed the AP reporter Ralph Russo TWICE with corrections, (Russo wrote basically the same thing for the wire report that beams round the world and still didn't get it right in his 2nd version) and AP Sisak actually publicly asked Corman for the documents to support his statements. It's like these guys forgot what was written in January 2015, and/or never read Corman v NCAA to begin with while the documents became publicly available starting in October 2014.

 

[artsandletters]

Because Rittenberg was
1. Fishing for clicks all morning (yesterday) with his Emmert tweets from the Learfield conference in NY

2. Getting hammered on Twitter by everyone else for printing that Emmert garbage without writing the other half. He received a boatload of tweets with documents from Corman v NCAA as well. Corman addressed the AP reporter Ralph Russo TWICE with corrections, (Russo wrote basically the same thing for the wire report that beams round the world and still didn't get it right in his 2nd version) and AP Sisak actually publicly asked Corman for the documents to support his statements. It's like these guys forgot what was written in January 2015, and/or never read Corman v NCAA to begin with while the documents became publicly available starting in October 2014.

Nellie, keep at it and thanks. OT, what is simons96's twitter handle? I'd like to read what he's up to. Thanks. Gonna check out yours now.

 

[Zenophile]

Nellie, keep at it and thanks. OT, what is simons96's twitter handle? I'd like to read what he's up to. Thanks. Gonna check out yours now.

https://twitter.com/math4humans

 

[Nellie R]

Nellie, keep at it and thanks. OT, what is simons96's twitter handle? I'd like to read what he's up to. Thanks. Gonna check out yours now.

Thank you as well! I wouldn't want to give out someone's handle on here if they don't want it known, but I can do it over there. It wasn't just me it was Chi and JmmyW and Zeno (and probably Wensilver but I can't see those any more b/c of her account preferences) and many, many other people.

 

[artsandletters]

Thank you as well! I wouldn't want to give out someone's handle on here if they don't want it known, but I can do it over there. It wasn't just me it was Chi and JmmyW and Zeno (and probably Wensilver but I can't see those any more b/c of her account preferences) and many, many other people.

Jeff something I thought. Just looked at yours. Way to go.

 

[jim cummings]

Jeff something I thought. Just looked at yours. Way to go.

What's your handle. I'll hit you up with a follow

 

[artsandletters]

https://twitter.com/math4humans

Thanks, Zeno.

 

[artsandletters]

What's your handle. I'll hit you up with a follow

I got the info from Zeno. I don't do twitter. I can barely do this haha. Thanks anyway.

 

[jim cummings]

I got the info from Zeno. I don't do twitter. I can barely do this haha. Thanks anyway.

Loser

 

[Keyser Soze 16801]

"The time for honoring themselves is soon coming to an end."

As Bill Clinton might have said, it depends on what your definition of soon is