SIAP: Michigan State hasn’t faced consequences for Nassar

[Lion8286]

This is, without a doubt, the biggest sex abuse scandal in the history of U.S. sports. So why does it seem to have gotten a fraction of the attention of other high-profile sex abuse scandals in recent history — such as Jerry Sandusky’s abuse at Penn State, or the systemic enabling of rape culture at Baylor University? And why aren’t there more widespread repercussions for the figures involved?

Most the attention so far has been focused on Nassar’s work with USA Gymnastics, and, recently, his alleged abuse of “Fierce Five” gymnasts. And while USA Gymnastics deserves all the scrutiny and punishments that come its way, it’s not the only institution that has questions to answer.

Nassar also worked at Michigan State. For two decades, the public university paid him, provided him with facilities, referred student-athletes from across the athletic department to his practice, showered him with awards, and even used his work with the Olympic team as a recruiting tool. This is despite the fact that, between 1997 and 2015, at least seven girls and women raised concerns about Nassar’s actions to authority figures at the school — including trainers, police, and MSU university officials.

Despite what Michigan State would like you to believe, a pedophile who allegedly perpetrated abuse on such an enormous scale cannot exist in a vacuum. So how will this prominent university and athletic department be held accountable for their involvement in the abuse of more than 140 people?

The whole article is here. . .
https://thinkprogress.org/michigan-state-nassar-accountable-eded1a15229e/

 

[NittPicker]

A pedophile of any type is reprehensible but the media loves the sensationalized stories. Same sex offenders (especially males) are seen as more deviant therefore those stories are milked for all they're work. Opposite sex offenders don't move the needle as much. The fact is a pedophile is a pedophile regardless of who their victims are. It's a sad state of affairs where juvenile female sexual victimization doesn't cause the same amount of outrage.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Following the aftermath of our sanctions the NCAA won't do anything here IMO. And, JMO, they shouldn't just like they shouldn't have with us...stupid consent decree. Michigan State likely isn't that stupid

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

Nor should they. I am very bothered by a culture and society that demands to burn down the village because of a despicable individual’s actions. Responsibility lies with the evil choices of the criminal.

 

[91Joe95]

Nor should they. I am very bothered by a culture and society that demands to burn down the village because of a despicable individual’s actions. Responsibility lies with the evil choices of the criminal.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

Yeah, I get it. She was awful to PSU as were most other universities and people. It infuriates me. That’s what I hate. And it’s not going to help you or PSU to be awful back to them, as justified as you may feel about it. Everything we hate about what happened just gets worse if we do it back.

 

[NittanyOpp]

She kind of looks like Dottie Sandusky.

 

[N&B4PSU]

Nor should they. I am very bothered by a culture and society that demands to burn down the village because of a despicable individual’s actions. Responsibility lies with the evil choices of the criminal.

Not exactly. Responsibility lies with those who knew (and by that I mean who KNEW, not had suspicions). In MSU's case, they sure as hell knew.

They are accountable.. and they are culpable.

You don't burn down the village unless the vast majority knew... not the case at penn state nor at msu. But you root out the f-ups and set standards for the future.

 

[N&B4PSU]

A pedophile of any type is reprehensible but the media loves the sensationalized stories. Same sex offenders (especially males) are seen as more deviant therefore those stories are milked for all they're work. Opposite sex offenders don't move the needle as much. The fact is a pedophile is a pedophile regardless of who their victims are. It's a sad state of affairs where juvenile female sexual victimization doesn't cause the same amount of outrage.

Thank you for nailing this... it's an area virtually everyone knows but few dare to talk about.

It's the same reason when a hot young FEMALE teacher "defiles" a 16 year old "boy" ...most men chalk it up to... 'damn, that could have been me... and i wouldn't have complained.' But God forbid a young male teacher hits on some sweet young 16 year old girl. Let hell unleash its fury.

It's a joke... and one helluva double standard.

The simple difference is one is male on young boy (abby-normal).. the other is male on female (perfectly understandable, even though wrong... most men can switch it off, a few cannot).

Gonna be a long time before those perceptions change.

and God help us when they do. Equal sentences will make this gender neutral. For me, sentences in the 10+ years will go a long way... or will they?

Well, the sentences now are heavily weighted against males. And you see less of men being brought in. But the sentences against women are a joke.. and damned if we don't see day after day where female teachers do this... apparently they have no fear of a long jail term.

 

[91Joe95]

Yeah, I get it. She was awful to PSU as were most other universities and people. It infuriates me. That’s what I hate. And it’s not going to help you or PSU to be awful back to them, as justified as you may feel about it. Everything we hate about what happened just gets worse if we do it back.

No, she's a criminal.

 

[PrtLng Lion]

Oh but since this is a criminal investigation which had nothing to do with gaining an advantage in an athletic venue, the NCAA has no purview here.

WTF

 

[pandaczar12]

Nassar also worked at Michigan State. For two decades, the public university paid him, provided him with facilities, referred student-athletes from across the athletic department to his practice, showered him with awards, and even used his work with the Olympic team as a recruiting tool. This is despite the fact that, between 1997 and 2015, at least seven girls and women raised concerns about Nassar’s actions to authority figures at the school — including trainers, police, and MSU university officials.

Let's not forget he started at Michigan, under Bo.

Oh but since this is a criminal investigation which had nothing to do with gaining an advantage in an athletic venue, the NCAA has no purview here.

WTF

Obviously they covered this up to protect their football and basketball programs. Imagine the negative publicity if news of their beloved doctor got out.

 

[wensilver]

It is critical to note that with just one lone female complaining of her sexual assault by Nassar to the MSU Title IX office, that single complaint provided more evidence of a crime than did anything McQueary said he "heard" or "saw" in any of his ever-evolving stories. It also eclipsed any evidence that Louis Freeh purported to provide in his "report".

I am especially annoyed that while Louis Freeh was going on about a "cover up" that never happened - from a lecturn here in Philadelphia in July 2012, Aly Raisman and her US women's gymnastics teammates were on a plane to London - to be abused by Nice Guy Larry Nassar.

Aly is 23 years old I believe. She is asking for that national discussion about Nice Guy Offenders. Louis Freeh, a former FBI director, had that national platform back in 2012, choosing to ignore that in favor of good publicity for his fledgling firm FSS and auditioning for a piece of the NCAA compliance pie.

Louis Freeh turned a blind eye to the issue of these offenders, concealed that knowledge from the public at large, thusly enabling Larry Nassar to continue sexual abuse of not only our Olympic women, but scores of women and young girls living in the shadow of MSU, with impunity.

Louis Freeh is a pedophile enabler.

 

[AdvanSix]

This is, without a doubt, the biggest sex abuse scandal in the history of U.S. sports. So why does it seem to have gotten a fraction of the attention of other high-profile sex abuse scandals in recent history — such as Jerry Sandusky’s abuse at Penn State, or the systemic enabling of rape culture at Baylor University? And why aren’t there more widespread repercussions for the figures involved?

Most the attention so far has been focused on Nassar’s work with USA Gymnastics, and, recently, his alleged abuse of “Fierce Five” gymnasts. And while USA Gymnastics deserves all the scrutiny and punishments that come its way, it’s not the only institution that has questions to answer.

Nassar also worked at Michigan State. For two decades, the public university paid him, provided him with facilities, referred student-athletes from across the athletic department to his practice, showered him with awards, and even used his work with the Olympic team as a recruiting tool. This is despite the fact that, between 1997 and 2015, at least seven girls and women raised concerns about Nassar’s actions to authority figures at the school — including trainers, police, and MSU university officials.

Despite what Michigan State would like you to believe, a pedophile who allegedly perpetrated abuse on such an enormous scale cannot exist in a vacuum. So how will this prominent university and athletic department be held accountable for their involvement in the abuse of more than 140 people?

The whole article is here. . .
https://thinkprogress.org/michigan-state-nassar-accountable-eded1a15229e/

95% of the US population has never heard of Nassar. 95% of the population could tell you exactly who Jerry Sandusky is. I applaud your continued effort to deflect though. lol

 

[pandaczar12]

95% of the US population has never heard of Nassar. 95% of the population could tell you exactly who Jerry Sandusky is. I applaud your continued effort to deflect though. lol

What does that have to do with the post you replied to? Are you seriously trying to say that Nassar's abuse isn't that bad because TV hasn't told you to think that yet? The only other option is that your post is nothing but deflection. It's understandable that you'd rather the spotlight be on the fake PSU scandal than the very real one caused by Michigan Man Larry Nassar.

 

[Carl Spackler]

What does that have to do with the post you replied to? Are you seriously trying to say that Nassar's abuse isn't that bad because TV hasn't told you to think that yet? The only other option is that your post is nothing but deflection. It's understandable that you'd rather the spotlight be on the fake PSU scandal than the very real one caused by Michigan Man Larry Nassar.

It sounds like he is doing exactly what you noted. If the MSM doesn't tell you it is bad in their all knowing and powerful opinion, then it isn't bad. If they say it is, Katie bar the door.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

It is critical to note that with just one lone female complaining of her sexual assault by Nassar to the MSU Title IX office, that single complaint provided more evidence of a crime than did anything McQueary said he "heard" or "saw" in any of his ever-evolving stories. It also eclipsed any evidence that Louis Freeh purported to provide in his "report".

I am especially annoyed that while Louis Freeh was going on about a "cover up" that never happened - from a lecturn here in Philadelphia in July 2012, Aly Raisman and her US women's gymnastics teammates were on a plane to London - to be abused by Nice Guy Larry Nassar.

Aly is 23 years old I believe. She is asking for that national discussion about Nice Guy Offenders. Louis Freeh, a former FBI director, had that national platform back in 2012, choosing to ignore that in favor of good publicity for his fledgling firm FSS and auditioning for a piece of the NCAA compliance pie.

Louis Freeh turned a blind eye to the issue of these offenders, concealed that knowledge from the public at large, thusly enabling Larry Nassar to continue sexual abuse of not only our Olympic women, as well as the women and young girls in the shadow of MSU, with impunity.

Louis Freeh is a pedophile enabler.

That and an indubitable POS, who would whore out his mother to make a dime.

 

[psu00]

Well, just saw this today on the Fox News site-


Michigan State accused of covering up worst sex abuse scandal in US sports

By Caleb Parke | Fox News

Michigan State University is accused of covering up what is believed to be the biggest sexual abuse scandal in U.S. sports, which the public university “unequivocally denies.”

Michigan State’s former director of sports and former Olympic gymnastics team doctor, Larry Nasser — accused of sexual assault by more than 150 women, including several Team USA gymnasts — now has pleaded guilty to 10 sexual assault counts as well as possession of child pornography. He also admitted in court to committing sexually abusive procedures thousands of times throughout his 20-year career.

“This is one of the largest and most prestigious public universities in the country, and they’ve engaged in the systemic protection of a child molester,” attorney John Manly, who is representing a majority of the victims, told Fox News. “Clearly Michigan State has a culture of secrecy. They have a report about 150 little girls being molested, and they’re not going to release it? That is outrageous. President [Lou Anna K.] Simon, release the report or resign.”

Lawyers representing victims of Nassar say MSU officials could have prevented the Nassar scandal if they had followed Title IX and mandatory reporting laws — during his MSU tenure between 1997 and 2015, at least seven women or girls say they made verbal complaints to school officials.

When MSU finally conducted Title IX investigations of Nassar in 2014, the lawyers said, Michigan State botched it and allowed him to continue allegedly molesting dozens of women and girls for two more years, including Olympic gold medalists — Aly Raisman, McKayla Maroney, and Gabby Douglas — all under the guise of being “medically appropriate.”

MSU spokesman Jason Cody referred Fox News to a statement following the plaintiffs’ press conference.

“Michigan State University continues to be shocked and appalled by Larry Nassar’s now-admitted criminal conduct,” Cody wrote. “Any suggestion that the university covered up this conduct is simply false.”

He added: “As for the call for an independent investigation, the FBI and MSU Police Department conducted a joint investigation earlier this year to determine whether any university employee other than Nassar engaged in criminal conduct. … We have no reason to believe that any criminal conduct was found.”

Rachael Denhollander, left, hugs Larissa Boyce, after Dr. Larry Nassar appeared in court for a plea hearing in Lansing, Mich., Wednesday, Nov. 22, 2017. Nasser, a sports doctor accused of molesting girls while working for USA Gymnastics and Michigan State University pleaded, guilty to multiple charges of sexual assault and will face at least 25 years in prison. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

Rachael Denhollander, the first victim to speak publicly and file a police report in September 2016, told Fox News she was “absolutely confident MSU was covering this up.” However, she was one of the last to join the lawsuit because she wanted to see how MSU would respond.

“We were silenced. We were mocked. And our abuser was told time and time again, ‘I’m on your side,’” Denhollander said. “That gives me all I need to see how Nassar preyed on women and little girls for so many years.”

Reports indicate the taxpayer-funded school paid a New York law firm more than $1 million to conduct an internal review of the Nassar scandal. Lawyers for the Nassar victims said MSU’s refusal to publicize the review stands in stark contrast to the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal in 2012.

“There’s been no outside investigation as there was in Penn State and Baylor, and there’s over 150 victims, all of which are female,” Manly said. “In the context of sports sexual abuse, it is the largest sexual assault scandal in the history of sports.”

Simon said in a previous statement to trustees that there may have been nothing the school could’ve done.

“I have been told it is virtually impossible to stop a determined sexual predator and pedophile, that they will go to incomprehensible lengths to keep what they do in the shadows,” she said.

In 2012, Simon, who was the NCAA Executive Committee Chair at the time, said, “People make mistakes, and some of those are purposeful and premeditated, and if you just take the Penn State experience, pretty pervasive.”

Manly called Simon’s actions the “height of hypocrisy.”

“Michigan State University ignored complaints about Nassar going back to the 1990s, yet they continued to allow him to ‘treat’ me and other Olympic athletes,” Jamie Dantzscher, an Olympic Bronze Medalist in Artistic Gymnastics, told Fox News. “How many other Larry Nassars are out there right now abusing children who want nothing more than to pursue their Olympic dreams? We may never know. This has to end.”




http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/2...-up-worst-sex-abuse-scandal-in-us-sports.html

 

[wensilver]

I'll just place this nugget right here:

Manly called Simon’s actions the “height of hypocrisy.

Now might be a good time for Dr. Simon to pick up the phone and apologize to Sue Paterno & Dr. Spanier.

 

[pandaczar12]

Time to kick MSU out of the B10.

 

[NittPicker]

Time to kick MSU out of the B10.

It was purposeful, premeditated, and pervasive.

 

[wensilver]

Interesting piece on Dr. Simon, what will be her legacy?

 

[demlion]

Interesting piece on Dr. Simon, what will be her legacy?

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Same as Neville Chamberlain, if Hitler had been a sex offender.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

95% of the US population has never heard of Nassar. 95% of the population could tell you exactly who Jerry Sandusky is. I applaud your continued effort to deflect though. lol

I applaud your team’s heroic efforts to finish just ahead of Rutgers in the East.

 

[LafayetteBear]

After reading through this thread and Lou Anna Simons' statements concerning both Penn State and Nassar, I want to beat the tar out of Sparty more than ever. Can't wait for next fall.