The ushers alone are a good example. For years they'd hire regular Penn State fans who, in addition to the small amount they were paid, enjoyed taking a seat afterward and watching the game as part of the deal. They were personable and often built good relationships with the fans around them. Lately I've seen agency hired security people in windbreakers hanging around the portals. Most I've seen are obviously ambivalent about being there. I saw one guy leaning against a wall while texting on his phone. He gave a clear "don't bother me" vibe.
Sinking anymore money into Beaver Stadium is a total waste
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Those Landmark guys are PSU's answer to the TSA. They are rude and obnoxious jackbooted thugs. Nothing but security kabuki theatre.
I think the bigger issue is ticket prices rising from $40 to $100+ the past few years. The other issue is having a more competitive team, something we lost during the sanctions.
I don't think strength of schedule is a big issue:
Kent State
Temple
Minnesota
Maryland
Ohio State
Iowa
Michigan State
5 of these 7 will be over matched? I only see one team that will be over matched. We could be underdogs in 3 of those games. Once the team is back to 100% we should only have 1 or 2 mismatches.
I don't think we need huge improvements to Beaver Stadium. Structural improvements, paint, improved concessions, and convert some more seats to chairbacks. A new stadium seems foolish because it would cost more than $300.
I have and I still find your point absurd. For the last ten years my wife (non-PSU grad) has faithfully attended 95% of the games I have. In recent years, my young son has begun to join us for 2-3 games per year. Times change, and so do the people who attend the games. Talk about an utterly sexist thought, that only the men attended games "back in the day".
I think its even worse, depending on where you sit. Graded prices definitely ruined some peoples fun. $100 is what you pay in the end zones now. My 20 yard line tickets run closer to $150 each with NLC donation factored in. That goes up much higher as you get to the 50.
It is pretty obvious, it seems to me, that, if we build a new stadium, it will be a domed stadium. There are even visual hints of that if one looks carefully. And, I think that changes any equation that any of us lay folks are currently cyphering with.So......you build a new stadium - at a net revenue hit of $30 Million + per year......so that you can serve a f&cking Panini?
As opposed to - say - just a wild, crazy idea here.......maybe you spend $2 Million, one time, to upgrade the concession utilities in the existing f&cking stadium?
Tell me......when you don't like the CD playing in your car's audio system, do you go buy another f&cking car? Or do you buy a new CD?
GD boy......you do take it as a challenge, don't you?
Maryland tanked in 85 and didn't have another winning season. 5 out of those 10 seasons the were below .500. It was mediocre the second half of the 80s winning 6 or less games in 4 seasons. This is a perfect example of how people remember things better then they were.
The problem is people are unwilling to work the games anymore. People didn't want to do the online training or take the classes that are now required of any employee. Unfortunately they had no choice but hire the agency.
Ehh so they had some good seasons and some bad ones.
You specifically listed the 82, 84, 86 and 88 home schedule.
in 82 they were 8-4 3rd in the ACC and ranked 20th.
in 84 they were 9-3 ACC champ beat TN in the sun bowl.
86 they were 5-5-1
88 they were 5-6
so they were pretty good for 2 of those 4 home games.
And thank you but that was exactly how I remembered it since I was at all those games and
2 of the later away games in MD, specifically the one they tied us 17-17.
One of the last games ever played at Memorial Stadium we just destroyed them
so yea pretty much how I remembered it.
It could be done. It wouldn't be as simple as bolting them to the existing seats. I envision extending the current blue seats up to at least row 40. Make those seats worth a large donation. Combining things like that along with wider seats.
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Yeah, Paciencia is going off on a rant. They can easily put chairbacks in the majority of the stadium. The east side and west side has charibacks sections now as your picture shows. Nothing is different about these rows. They are not deeper and you have decent leg room. It is not any worse than the bleachers that have seatbacks on them. I am not sure about the concrete parts of the stadium but the original Beaver Field stands can be equipped with chairbacks with reduction of seats. You will probably get people whining their seats went up in price as you pay $9 more for the chairback seats regardless of seat location.
So are you telling me this training on August 4 didn't happen? I am sure you have some conspiracy theory on why they couldn't get enough workers and had to outsource to Landmark.
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/073112aaa.html
Absolutely untrue. The chair back rows on the east and west side take up much more room than the bench rows. I believe there are 5 chair back rows that take up the equivalent of 8 bench rows. When these rows were converted to chairbacks, the concrete had to be demolished and completely repoured.
It's also been a while since I looked. Maybe no concrete was involved, but 3 rows were lost in the conversion process.
When you can name me thousands and thousands of additional examples like yours, maybe you'll have a point.
If you don't think the dynamic between husbands and wives hasn't changed drastically since the WWII generation, I have no idea what planet you've been living on. No offense.
Another guy was right. BOTH my grandfathers could come home after playing golf and hanging out at the club with their buddies and tell my grandmothers who were cooking, cleaning and watching after the kids that they were tired and needed to go take a nap where there was piece and quiet.
You do that to a woman today, she'll remind you that you'll be too tired to help out the next time you want to play golf.
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Comfort seating? We could get comfort seating by expanding the seat size by four inches and it would reduce the number of people to fill a stadium. It wouldn't cost as much.
Size matters in the male/female relationship. Come on Howie, everyone knows that.
A season ticket holder since1954, the athletic department came under the nominal control of non PSU people. From the NLC outward through the administration old line people were forced out. These exiles argued against STEP event pricing etc. They were ignored at best and in many cases personally degraded.
Their advice was ignored and the fiscal disaster they predicted occurred. People who had endowed multiple scholarships were priced out of their long time seats.years of loyalty and support were derided in favor of quick, new money.
They aggravated more old support than they gained. This include many townies whose cost of attendance was donations plus tickets. Thus the fiscal disaster we see.
When your average fan base is a a two-three hour drive one way or an overnight you have to treat it accordingly.
Talking with many of my old friends who felt betrayed and gave up their seats they would come back if the price was right.
My son who joined us at games from the time he was 6 would love to continue the tradition but cannot justify the cost.
When I studied economics supply and demand derived a price. If demand was low prices fell not increased by multiples of the old price.
Their advice was ignored and the fiscal disaster they predicted occurred. People who had endowed multiple scholarships were priced out of their long time seats.years of loyalty and support were derided in favor of quick, new money.
They aggravated more old support than they gained. This include many townies whose cost of attendance was donations plus tickets. Thus the fiscal disaster we see.
When your average fan base is a a two-three hour drive one way or an overnight you have to treat it accordingly.
Talking with many of my old friends who felt betrayed and gave up their seats they would come back if the price was right.
My son who joined us at games from the time he was 6 would love to continue the tradition but cannot justify the cost.
When I studied economics supply and demand derived a price. If demand was low prices fell not increased by multiples of the old price.
STEP started under PSU alum Curley. They waited to long to implement STEP which created a ton of animosity amoung long term ticket holders. They relied far to much on Joe's ability as fundraiser. Then they realized how far behind they were falling and that Joe was almost done. Schools like Wisconsin were generating more revenue then Penn State throughout the 2000s. What should have been done is a slow integration of STEP. They should have started with a nominal donation for all seat like $25. Then slowly move up the levels so that you didn't have people having to go from no donation to $600. Most of those people wouldn't have batted an eye to donate $25 more each year. That a lot easier to take. Penn State was behind its peers who had started it long ago.
Nothing that Curley did indicated that he had any clue about economics. He messed around with football ticket prices as if there was infinite demand at any price. He was clueless. And look how long he was perfectly happy with an empty basketball arena. He did nothing to improve that product for decades. He had no clue.
You are correct that it is not necessary to put more money into the Beav, as it is sweet just the way it is.
And the only things absurd here are your comments.
