So how is that not targeting by Ohio st head to head on a sliding QB?
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It was an OSU player; no further explanation needed.
Agree it wasn't a PSU player.
We've had two targeting calls where our LB was going for the ball. Walk on, Brandon Smith against Michigan on an interception attempt in 2016 and Carter on Thursday night. Both were terrible calls.
I've witnessed far worse intentional targeting in BIG games not called at all.
But not many have numerous calls where video evidence proves it (like a dropped INT, a FG three seconds after the play clock, etc) yet the calls still stand. And I have yet to see another example where the video replay didn’t work.
The penalty gets called because the duhO$U player could have just as easily decided to simply go over the top of the sliding QB, but didn't - he intentionally went down after the sliding QB, intentionally driving and targeting his helmet directly into the ND QB's head-&-neck area.
To add # 51 - OSU's best d- lineman , hit ND's QB with the crown of his helmet into the lower chest. A rule is a rule or it isn't.
Yes of course but I told you there are different sets of rules for OSU. Told my wife as soon as I saw it that it was targeting but they would waive it off.
Ehhh, just 5-10 yards prior during the same play the QB had an opportunity to slide and avoid a hit and he chose to fake out the defender and get more yards.
It appeared to me he realized his shtick wasn’t going to work on the next defender he approached and took a late
The repeated slo-mo replays from after the first fake out did not present the full play.
Could the defender have avoided contact? One can always say an action could have occurred.
Disagree, I hate OSU (although I hate ND more) but that call was garbage. Even in Slo mo the OSU guy had already started to crouch down when the Qb started to slide. Could he have stopped, its theoretically possible, but it would have been quite difficult. Should have never been called. The announcers were in disbelief that it was called (granted one of them was Herbie) and it was only the retired ref that disagreed.
The hit on the OSU WR should have been called, the dude's helmet got knocked off for god's sake, how much bigger of a clue do you need to have a replay for that (which they didn't).
It's a rule with a good intent, but the execution of it is horrible. It also doesn't help that QBs are waiting until the last possible moment to slide, perhaps they should be sliding a little earlier?
Completely disagree with you LMAO - the QB is down from where he starts his slide (or even fakes a slide - new rule this year) and once a slide is initiated, defenders are supposed to attempt to avoid contact. The duhO$U defender had initiated his move toward the ND QB: however, replays show he could have easily taken his momentum over the QB, but instead elected to target the ND QB's head-&-neck area with his helmet intentionally diving directly downward rather than having his momentum continue over top of the sliding QB. BTW, it's complete nonsense that he faked a slide earlier in the run - again, new rule this year, if QB even fakes a slide, he's down at that point.
those replays were all in slo mo, and even in slo mo, it looked nearly impossible to avoid. CFB hasn't gotten as bad as the NFL yet, NFL's mobile qbs are really abusing the issue while running down the sidelines....
Simple fix, if a QB crosses the line of scrimmage, he's a runner and the protection is gone. If he wants to slide without getting hit, do it behind the line. It's a no win situation for a defender because if he slows down and the QB barrels over him then he's getting ripped on the side line.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. The sliding rule was written back in the days when mobile QBs were not passing QBs as well. This sliding rule allowed the non athletic QBs to leave the pocket when necessary and get down before getting killed.
While this statement is true, it is completely irrelevant as the claim of a faked slide was never made.
Earlier in the play, did the QB have an opportunity to slide when approaching a tOSU defender 1 on 1? Yes
Did the QB use a pump and shoulder fake to elude said defender? Yes
What’s really impossible is for refs to call targeting on an OSU player.
Ohio State consistently hits through and even beyond the whistle...they did it against Hamler a few years ago, knocking him out when they had no answer for him. Noticed one of their players launched into the opposing players who was down and out of bounds...they definitely get the benefit of the doubt. A few correct calls not in their favor would slow their defense down a bit.
Sort of. I was with you on the inconsistent application but certain schools get the benefit in a predictable way. It isn't just Ohio St either that is consistently the beneficiary of the calls.
Watched Clemson last night and they called targeting twice on Georgia Tech, 1st time they must have been embarrassed by how not targeting it was so the review was overturned. But the refs on the field clearly wanted it called. Then later in the game they called it to bail Clemson out when the game was tight in the 2nd half and upheld a very weak targeting removing a key defender for the rest of the game. Meanwhile Clemson was throwing the GT qb around like a rag doll all night hitting him high several times with no thought of targeting.
Officials have honed in on targeting being a game changing call. 15 and get rid of a key defender for the remainder of the game. They also know it is applied subjectively and inconsistently. So if they want to influence the outcome, it's a great tool.
Yeah, saw the first targeting call on GT and looked pretty much the same as the call on Carter, so was surprised that it was overturned by the booth. In terms of influencing the game, targeting is just the new PI which was the new holding.
