So, I ask you: Is Michael Dwumfour a great recruit that we snagged or.....
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Fairgambit, nice to see someone from the Rocks. I am personally not but my family grew up there before my dad moved to the north hills.. Ever heard of or been to Panucci's Barber Shop?
I'm glad we offered and he committed. Seems like he has a great attitude, quickness, and really loves what PSU is all about. Welcome ...
By the way, he kind of reminds me of Jordan Hill.
By the way, he kind of reminds me of Jordan Hill.
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Yes. An institution in the area, on Broadway. I've never had my hair cut there but I know lots of people who have. As I recall, Vince died a few years ago.
Wow, lots of childish babble here.
"Battled Pitt till the end". ? The kid camped at PSU, CJF and coach caos liked him and offered, and the kid committed. Pitt wanted him but he wanted a chance to play major college football.
Pretty simple. Trust the coaches, and we Need DT's.
"Battled Pitt till the end". ? The kid camped at PSU, CJF and coach caos liked him and offered, and the kid committed. Pitt wanted him but he wanted a chance to play major college football.
Pretty simple. Trust the coaches, and we Need DT's.
Let us not forget former Lion, the well-traveled Paul Jones, is also from Da Rox.What? McKees Rocks is not inconsequential. In fact, it is very consequential. Chuck Fusina, the great Penn State quarterback, is from McKees Rocks. So is Olive Thomas, a silent screen star and the original flapper girl; Paul Spadafora, former IBF world lightweight boxing champion; John J. Pinder, Jr., who is a WWII Medal of Honor winner; John Kasich, the former governor of Ohio; Billy Mays, the famous Oxi-Clean pitchman; and Babe Ruth (OK, I made the last one up, but I have it on good authority he wanted to be from McKees Rocks.) Finally, two very important Penn Staters were born in McKees Rocks. Ted Kwalick, who made the College Football Hall of fame, and me. That alone is enough to make McKees Rocks consequential.
Joe Panucci used to cut Joe's hair I believe when he came to town.
It's actually quite clear. A 2* at Pitt is garbage.
A 2* everywhere else with those numbers is a diamond in the rough.
You're welcome.
A 2* everywhere else with those numbers is a diamond in the rough.
You're welcome.
You used to be a great contributor to this board.
My how times have changed.
No soup for you!!!!
JMO but from some of the comments by people in the know on the pay boards he was doing really, really well at the camps he attended. That is why he was offered by the PSU staff. I have a feeling Franklin and staff judge the talent by what they see in person and on film not by "star" ratings decreed by coaching wannabees. As for offers he had ones from Iowa, BC and WVA.
I think Shoop and Franklin know what they're doing.
You used to be a great contributor to this board.
My how times have changed.
No soup for you!!!!
Well at least I had my time where as you have always sucked.
FWIW as a Rutgers fan and someone who follows NJ HS football I think this kid is a baller and a good get for Penn State. I don't know exactly why Rutgers didn't offer, other than that they obviously have higher targets on their board and we already signed someone from his position out of Florida (Hewitt). PSU might have more of a need here.
2 stars have started in NC games over 4 and 5 stars for Bama in the past 6-7 years. Most major programs have sent 2 stars to the NFL. AJ is a good example at DT. A bunch of white guy wannabes in their 40's and 50's charging people to come to their camps and then rating the ones that come to their camps higher than those that don't. That evaluation system doesn't much interest me. 1) How many years has he played the game 2) How did he perform at PSU camps against highly rated players 3) What are his numbers etc etc etc.... it's called talent evaluation.
Come on, now. Have a little fun. It's only football. As much as some like to deny, threads such as these only show that the Penn State/Pitt rivalry still lives. I can only imagine the vitriol from both sides come 2016.Well at least I had my time where as you have always sucked.
As others have pointed out, every coaching staff in the country is ultimatley judged by their ability to evaluate high school kids and project them 3,4 or 5 years down the road. For those who prefer, for example, Colon, over Dwomfour, are you sure four years from now you would still favor Colon? A lot can and will change over the next few years as these kids complete their final year of high school, enroll in a college program, redshirt for a year and spend a year in the weight program.
But if you want to just look at the Rivals evals, I point out that Dwomfour is rated as a 5.4. Jason Cabinda was 5.5 and he played as a true FR and projects to start as a true SO. Christian Campbell was also 5.5 and he played very well as a true FR. Based on what we have read about Dwomfour's performances at camps and his offer sheet it seems plausible that he will end up at 5.5 and a 3 star rating.
Finally, in most classes half to two-thirds of the recruits are not ready to play as true FR. So, again, it is all about the staff's ability to project how a kid is going to develop and where they will be at 2, 3, 4 and even 5 years form now. Four years from now Dwomfour will be entering his redshirt junior year in college. He will have two years of eligibility remaining. Four years from now most of these kids will be totally different in their physical development, their understanding of the game, their technique, etc... This is where the coaches earn their money.
Wow, you guys are overthinking this. This is bizarre and illustrates the stupidity of fixation on stars.
The guy is a very good football player, the only reason he doesn't have 40 scholarship offers is because he's only 6-1. And I don't understand that at all. A 1-technique doesn't have to be tall. In fact a lower center of gravity at that position is a GOOD thing.
Is everybody too young to remember a 6-1 tackle named Anthony Adams? Similar deal, he didn't get recruited by the big boys because of height. He only played 9 seasons in the NFL.
To me this is one of the best commits of the year. He's a quality player, a hard worker, and PSU really needed a DT or two in this class.
The guy is a very good football player, the only reason he doesn't have 40 scholarship offers is because he's only 6-1. And I don't understand that at all. A 1-technique doesn't have to be tall. In fact a lower center of gravity at that position is a GOOD thing.
Is everybody too young to remember a 6-1 tackle named Anthony Adams? Similar deal, he didn't get recruited by the big boys because of height. He only played 9 seasons in the NFL.
To me this is one of the best commits of the year. He's a quality player, a hard worker, and PSU really needed a DT or two in this class.
Rivals has conditioned many to think that star ratings are the "bees knees" and it isn't true. Yeah, yeah teams who sign more 4-star guys tend to do better than teams that don't, but when we're talking about individual players, you can't simply look at his star rating and make a determination as to his quality. Our coaches got a chance to look at him first hand against other good players and he stood tall. That being the case, they'd be foolish not to offer him.
Well summarized!!
And when u realize that CJF is looking for 3+ DT's in this class they will not all be kids that are ready to play as true frosh. If we end up also adding Jordan, Gary, and a JC player we will have the best DT class in the country, maybe the best DT class ever at PSU.
The kid was at a PSU camp where he was evaluated by the whole staff. He may have grown ans added wt and strength since his last H.S. season. I could care less if he has a Pitt offer or who else offered.
Please stop with the Gary nonsense until he actually visits PSU again. Honestly, he hasn't mentioned PSU in months. No visits really setup with an outside shot his school may send some players in July. Jordan and the kid from Philly are more realistic right now. Yes I know that they are friends, but Gary isn't a likely PSU commit and hasn't been one in quite some time.
I don't think Gary's out of the picture. Doesn't mean PSU lands the kid, but I wouldn't classify speaking about PSU's chances as nonsense.
Agree, plus HE certainly thought he had a Pitt offer as he has repeatedly said that it came down to Pitt or PSU. He states that he had a Pitt, WVU and BC offers but really wanted to do to PSU. After he camped at PSU a couple of weeks ago, with the intent on getting an offer, he readily accepted once the offer from PSU was forthcoming.
Lots of great kids develop late. One need look no further than JJ Watt who was rated as a two star TE who went to Central Michigan. Jason Taylor, Akron, is another great example.
Bama has a 2 star recruit in their class right now who's only other offer is from Wake Forest. What is the big deal, if you see talent, you get talent.
Not to mention, it seems as if he might get bumped up anyway.
Not out of the picture, sure, we're the tiny blurry dot in the background. Nothing in the last few months anywhere leads you to believe PSU has any decent shot right now. If he makes an effort to see the school like he is for UM AGAIN, maybe then I'd say PSU is actually in the picture. I get these two are friends, but nobody that really follows recruiting right now have Gary heading to PSU. It's ok to say PSU is on the outside looking in with Gary because it's a very simple truth.
I envision Gary ending up a southern school and once he makes that southern swing that he has scheduled I suspect his recruitment will have an entirely different look to it. But that said, IIRC Ryan has reported that Gary's mom consistently states he will be coming back to PSU for a visit. While I agree with the notion "watch what they do, not what they say" at this stage I see no reason to doubt mom. If it were December and we were still waiting on that return visit I would agree it's time to move on. But there is a long way to go until February, 2016.
Seems its only nonsense in your mind, and we don't plan to stop at ur urging..... The potential for a campus visit from Gary likely got better with our recent commit as the
are reported to be friends.
Every program has one or two camp offers. A smart staff finds them.
No hypocrisy. Sure the stars are equal but, committing to pitt is an indication of poor decision making and or some sort of brain damage. Of course our 2 stars are going to be rated higher.
No anyone who actually follows recruiting. He'll be making his second trip to UM since he has visited PSU. If he actually does visit PSU, maybe I'll raise an eyebrow, but nothing is even scheduled. The PC coach may take a group of kids in July, but that is far from Gary is visiting PSU anytime soon. I'm not sure who WE are in your head, but most that really follow recruiting don't have Gary pegged to go to PSU. You have him joining his friend along with others for the best DT class in the country. A bit of a stretch at this point in time IMO.
I don't have him PEGGED anywhere.
WE are those here on this board that realize WE don't know what recruits plan to do or how the coaches have made their evaluations. That does not include YOU.....
I honestly think you're a bit lost. I didn't mention anything about evaluations. If you pay for a service or have a trusted site, you can have an idea IF a RECRUIT is actually interested in a school. Sorry you don't like hearing this news, but PSU is NOT in good shape for Gary. Yes things can change, but as of today PSU is on the outside looking in. You may not like hearing that, but it is a pretty simple truth. My bad, I realize some people can't stand hearing some things on this site.
The thing is we take a few guys who are 2* bc we have seen them up close and think we have found a diamond in the rough. Pitt takes a whole lot of 2* and unranked guys bc they can't get 4* and 5* talent outside of 1 or 2 guys a year. If you take 1 or 2 2* guys it's bc you think you found something, if you take 15-20 2* it's bc you need them.
We've been over this before: can 2*s be great? Absolutely. Do they work out as often as 4*s? No. Do all 4* and 5* guys work out? No but they give you the highest likelihood.
You can make fun of Pitt and still be confident Franklin knows what he's doing; they aren't mutually exclusive.
By the way: I wish every recruit well no matter star or school. Maybe not a winning career but a healthy and productive one. The fact the school they may choose (Pitt) blows is no reflection on them.
We've been over this before: can 2*s be great? Absolutely. Do they work out as often as 4*s? No. Do all 4* and 5* guys work out? No but they give you the highest likelihood.
You can make fun of Pitt and still be confident Franklin knows what he's doing; they aren't mutually exclusive.
By the way: I wish every recruit well no matter star or school. Maybe not a winning career but a healthy and productive one. The fact the school they may choose (Pitt) blows is no reflection on them.
