Some positive comments for Dabo and Urban

[PSUSignore]

I know lots of people here love to hate on other coaches but there were a few positive nuggets worth mentioning this weekend.

If you didn't see it, a Clemson player mixed it up with a Louisville player over the weekend and threw a punch. Dabo had the player immediately escorted into the locker room even before the officials made a penalty announcement (which they did, and ultimately ejected the player as well). Then Dabo made the player ride the bus back to Clemson with the team managers, while the rest of the players flew back. The bus ride was 450 miles. I'd imagine a suspension is likely coming too. Good on Dabo.

Then we also have Urban trashing the subjectivity in the playoff rules under the current system. He even admits he's made decisions about keeping starters in games for "eye test" purposes because of this system, and that he'd like to see something more defined take it's place. You can watch his rant here: .

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I know lots of people here love to hate on other coaches but there were a few positive nuggets worth mentioning this weekend.

If you didn't see it, a Clemson player mixed it up with a Louisville player over the weekend and threw a punch. Dabo had the player immediately escorted into the locker room even before the officials made a penalty announcement (which they did, and ultimately ejected the player as well). Then Dabo made the player ride the bus back to Clemson with the team managers, while the rest of the players flew back. The bus ride was 450 miles. I'd imagine a suspension is likely coming too. Good on Dabo.

Then we also have Urban trashing the subjectivity in the playoff rules under the current system. He even admits he's made decisions about keeping starters in games for "eye test" purposes because of this system, and that he'd like to see something more defined take it's place. You can watch his rant here:

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Dabo also said he would rather play the kids that deserve it then keep on running up the score. He unlike Urban does pull his starters earlier when he can. He basically said those kids practice just has hard....was nice to hear. He just needs to lay off feeding the kids roids.

 

[interrobang]

Remember when Dabo made Christian Wilkins bus home after grabbing the nuts of another player?

Me neither.

 

[PSUSignore]

Dabo also said he would rather play the kids that deserve it then keep on running up the score. He unlike Urban does pull his starters earlier when he can. He basically said those kids practice just has hard....was nice to hear. He just needs to lay off feeding the kids roids.

Given the poor level of job security and incentive laden contracts these coaches deal with, I can't say that I blame them for running up the scores. The committee system in place now obviously rewards that behavior, so until that changes it will continue to happen. As Urban said in the video, he had a job to do... getting OSU into the playoffs, which essentially caused him to make decisions he may not have wanted to make.

 

[Madsol]

I know lots of people here love to hate on other coaches but there were a few positive nuggets worth mentioning this weekend.

If you didn't see it, a Clemson player mixed it up with a Louisville player over the weekend and threw a punch. Dabo had the player immediately escorted into the locker room even before the officials made a penalty announcement (which they did, and ultimately ejected the player as well). Then Dabo made the player ride the bus back to Clemson with the team managers, while the rest of the players flew back. The bus ride was 450 miles. I'd imagine a suspension is likely coming too. Good on Dabo.

Then we also have Urban trashing the subjectivity in the playoff rules under the current system. He even admits he's made decisions about keeping starters in games for "eye test" purposes because of this system, and that he'd like to see something more defined take it's place. You can watch his rant here:

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Good on Urban. But had he said in 2016, "no, you need to take Penn State because they beat us" then I would take him a little more seriously. He was a huge beneficiary of the eye test in 2016.

 

[Ughhh]

**** both of them. Especially Dabo

 

[Woodpecker]

Remember when Dabo made Christian Wilkins bus home after grabbing the nuts of another player?

Me neither.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I don’t blame anyone for running up scores. I think when they get a weak opponent they should be gunning for the 212-0 record. Just remember that next time you think 63-0 is gratuitous. Some team scored over 200 points once

 

[Art]

Good on Urban. But had he said in 2016, "no, you need to take Penn State because they beat us" then I would take him a little more seriously. He was a huge beneficiary of the eye test in 2016.

Would you take him more seriously for being that stupid?

 

[Madsol]

Would you take him more seriously for being that stupid?

Hyperbole Art. Wouldn't expect any coach to do that. Just from a Penn State perspective, there probably isn't a single person less qualified to bemoan the eye test than Urban Meyer. LLP

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Given the poor level of job security and incentive laden contracts these coaches deal with, I can't say that I blame them for running up the scores. The committee system in place now obviously rewards that behavior, so until that changes it will continue to happen. As Urban said in the video, he had a job to do... getting OSU into the playoffs, which essentially caused him to make decisions he may not have wanted to make.

Urban also had more than 1 game a year to win....Clemson on the other hand, not so much.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Conference championships should be the ticket to the playoff. It’s simple.

 

[Art]

Hyperbole Art. Wouldn't expect any coach to do that. Just from a Penn State perspective, there probably isn't a single person less qualified to bemoan the eye test than Urban Meyer. LLP

Ever badmouth to his face an employer for whom you were still working? Did you have the same reluctance after you left?

 

[LoyalandTrueLion]

Good on Urban. But had he said in 2016, "no, you need to take Penn State because they beat us" then I would take him a little more seriously. He was a huge beneficiary of the eye test in 2016.

Ummm

 

[LoyalandTrueLion]

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We don't know what they were doing leading up to the game. Sometimes its hard to turn off those loving feelings

 

[JR4PSU]

Good on Urban. But had he said in 2016, "no, you need to take Penn State because they beat us" then I would take him a little more seriously. He was a huge beneficiary of the eye test in 2016.

Of course he was a huge beneficiary for passing the "eye test". That is exactly why he did what he did. Not because he agreed with it. His job was to get OSU into the playoffs. Period. That doesn't include telling anyone that PSU should take his place. While he may have thought we should have, just like he felt he shouldn't have to keep his 1's in the game and run up the score. But he had a job to do within the framework defined for him. He disagrees with that framework, but he has to live within it, good or bad. It is what it is. There isn't a single Penn State coach or fan that would tell the committee to put OSU in the playoffs over us if the roles were reversed. Not one.

 

[artsandletters]

Dabo also said he would rather play the kids that deserve it then keep on running up the score. He unlike Urban does pull his starters earlier when he can. He basically said those kids practice just has hard....was nice to hear. He just needs to lay off feeding the kids roids.

... and religion.

 

[AWS1022]

Urban is in the right forest, but barking at the wrong tree.


ANY "system" that claims to be able to fit 5 Conferences (plus ND and the mid-majors) into a bag that holds 4.....
THERE AIN'T NO WAY.... THERE AIN'T NO WAY...… including, obviously, Urby's "ideas"..... to make that anything other than a carnival barker sham.


All the consternations - like Urby's - do nothing but help to obfuscate the obvious.

Not disagreeing with you, but one start would be to not allow a team in that didn’t win their conference....that at least keeps the pool to five teams to pick four from.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Not disagreeing with you, but one start would be to not allow a team in that didn’t win their conference....that at least keeps the pool to five teams to pick four from.

Play a 4 vs. 5 seed game. All five teams are in.

 

[BudatPSU]

But it’s Herbie. Who is always leading the chant for The eye test

 

[razpsu]

That seems like a jab at herbie. He as the one that said it in 2016.

 

[Connorpozlee]

A) Who determines who the 4 and 5 are? 'Cause that would be a HUGE disadvantage for those teams.
(ergo: You're back to the same sham bag of shit they have now.)

B) What about ND and any non-P5 teams? (Maybe you say "F them".... I know that would appeal to glove )…. but that is something that would have to be either done as a clean cut, "You're not part of the game, too bad" - - - - - or, again, you're back into the same scam bag of shit.

It’s not the same bag of shit. At least as a conference champ you are in the playoff. I would be fine with a preseason determination that conferences X and Y are the 4/5 teams this year on a rotating basis, which goes against my idea of them being seeded. Just thinking on the spot here. As far as the independents, they need to be in a conference if they want in the playoff.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Well... there is one important thing you hit on here.....

BEFORE you even think about HOW to have a "Championship", you have to first determine what it is going to be the Championship OF.
ie: The Toledo Mud Hens and the Louisville Redbirds don't get to compete for the World Series... because the World Series is the Championship OF Major League Baseball (of which, Toledo and Louisville are not members).

So..... if the Championship is OF P5 Football - as you suggested - then (and only then) can one even begin to construct an appropriate (and righteous) Championship.

If the Championship is going to be OF P5 football programs PLUS ND - then you have to approach things a whole 'nother way (and introduce increasing levels of subjectivity. There are no two ways around it).
If the Championship is to be OF all FBS football programs - that, again, changes the whole conversation (for any intelligent conversation, anyway) and introduces a whole 'nother level of subjectivity (there are no two ways about it).

It is what it is.... and the only thing for sure right now is that none of the Powers-that-Be have even taken Step 1 (defining what the supposed Championship is OF).

All the rest - to date - is just carnival barker idiocy.

Fair point. My plan is predicated in the idea that the championship competition is open to Power 5 teams only.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

The one problem with conference championships are 1) not every team plays each other during the season and 2a) why should you have to possibly beat a team a second time to win the championship game and 2b) if you lose a championship game to a team you beat during the season, both teams could have the same overall record while being 1-1 against each other.

 

[Art]

Play a 4 vs. 5 seed game. All five teams are in.

Forget the seeding. Just draw lots to match them up.

 

[Art]

The one problem with conference championships are 1) not every team plays each other during the season and 2a) why should you have to possibly beat a team a second time to win the championship game and 2b) if you lose a championship game to a team you beat during the season, both teams could have the same overall record while being 1-1 against each other.

That's the conferences' problem. The goal is to create pre-determined objective criteria for making the playoff.

 

[PSU Dave]

The one problem with conference championships are 1) not every team plays each other during the season and 2a) why should you have to possibly beat a team a second time to win the championship game and 2b) if you lose a championship game to a team you beat during the season, both teams could have the same overall record while being 1-1 against each other.

Is head-to-head the tiebreaker to determine who goes to the conf championship game. Say PSU and OSU both finished 11-1. If PSU loss was to OSU, does OSU automatically go or does it depend on which team went most recently?

 

[Connorpozlee]

That would be fine by me (FWIW.... nothing ).


But this "Championship" and "Playoff" nonsense..... without anyone ever so much as even addressing what its supposed to be a f***ing championship OF, is just so stupid it makes my brain hurt.
Every time I stumble into Kirky, or any of the other dozens of Morons and CTE Victims jabbering on about "Playoffs" in some Sports Media show, I wanna' puke

I am with you 100% norm. That’s why I had no problem with Kiffin declaring his team national champs a couple years ago. Or with Pitt claiming all of their national championships. It’s all just opinion.

 

[Still in State College]

I have always been a 16 team guy. I think every FBS team has to have a path to the championship for it to be a championship. Anything else still remains a MNC.

 

[Art]

Is head-to-head the tiebreaker to determine who goes to the conf championship game. Say PSU and OSU both finished 11-1. If PSU loss was to OSU, does OSU automatically go or does it depend on which team went most recently?

Head-to-head.

 

[Art]

I have always been a 16 team guy. I think every FBS team has to have a path to the championship for it to be a championship. Anything else still remains a MNC.

So you have eleven teams chosen through a beauty contest as opposed to four.

 

[Madsol]

Of course he was a huge beneficiary for passing the "eye test". That is exactly why he did what he did. Not because he agreed with it. His job was to get OSU into the playoffs. Period. That doesn't include telling anyone that PSU should take his place. While he may have thought we should have, just like he felt he shouldn't have to keep his 1's in the game and run up the score. But he had a job to do within the framework defined for him. He disagrees with that framework, but he has to live within it, good or bad. It is what it is. There isn't a single Penn State coach or fan that would tell the committee to put OSU in the playoffs over us if the roles were reversed. Not one.

Ok.

 

[PSU Dave]

Head-to-head.

Thanks, that's what I thought. Because in the conference, one never knows.

 

[Art]

Thanks, that's what I thought. Because in the conference, one never knows.

Maybe they'll change it if PSU wins the tie-breaker. Consider it Delany's going away present.

 

[PSU Dave]

Maybe they'll change it if PSU wins the tie-breaker. Consider it Delany's going away present.

 

[BudatPSU]

Play a 4 vs. 5 seed game. All five teams are in.

Make it an 8 team playoff system. Conference champions are all in and seeded first. Then the committee selects the others and they are seeded lower. 1vs8, 2vs7,3vs6, 4vs5. Quit playing games with it and reduce the influence of the committee.

 

[Option Bob]

Ironic that now that Urban Meyer, who IMO was the best HC in CFB, is no longer in the hunt for the NC, he speaks out about the unfairness of the system ... a system which benefitted him and his program and one that has 8 or 9 former Buckeyes influencing voters and committee members weekly in the media.

In addition, I like Meyer's honesty about what he did in 2014. He backed up his decision by winning both playoff games and the NC. Yet, he admits that his decision endangered the safety of his players by leaving them in a game they were winning 45-0. He says he was just doing his job. Yes, I get the "his job is to win" mantra, but isn't such a decision the very example of "win at all costs"?

I really don't mean this to be an indictment of Meyer, for I think any CFB coach (well, I can think of 1, now deceased, who wouldn't) would opt to whatever he could to get his team a shot at the NC.

Since Meyer has now become the de facto leading expert on CFB, he needs to propose changes to the system he has criticized to make it fair. He has the backing of basically 3 of the major networks that carry CFB (Fox, ESPN, ABC), all loaded with former OSU players. If any one person can effect change to the system, Meyer can. Otherwise, the CFB world will have to wait until Oregon, Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, and Notre Dame all go 12/13-0 to see a change.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Make it an 8 team playoff system. Conference champions are all in and seeded first. Then the committee selects the others and they are seeded lower. 1vs8, 2vs7,3vs6, 4vs5. Quit playing games with it and reduce the influence of the committee.

Nope. Conference champs. Nothing at large. Takes the subjectivity out of it.

 

[AWS1022]

A) Who determines who the 4 and 5 are? 'Cause that would be a HUGE disadvantage for those teams.
(ergo: You're back to the same sham bag of shit they have now.)

B) What about ND and any non-P5 teams? (Maybe you say "F them".... I know that would appeal to glove )…. but that is something that would have to be either done as a clean cut, "You're not part of the game, too bad" - - - - - or, again, you're back into the same scam bag of shit.

They already say “f them” to the non P-5 teams...they’re not getting in the current system no matter what.

 

[Still in State College]

I think he's saying "EVERY FBS conference champ should get in" (which gets you to 10 - not counting the Independents....and then add whatever is needed to get to 16)

I could be wrong, as he didn't specify.... but I'd guess that's his contention.

That is where I was going. If every champ has a chance then you could call it a legit championship. You can argue that some teams can't win but they have to have a chance.