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Some random/possible inside information

I thought Lorig left Memphis to go to A & M and left A & M after about a week to come to Penn State.
 
No they are not.

2016: 66 plays
2017: 70 plays
2018: 69 plays
2019: 67 plays



Why would you say such a stupid - and utterly wrong - thing... when it takes about 30 seconds to see that your "FACT" is bullsh^t?
You're a GD idiot.

your numbers aren't exact either Mr. Nice Guy.
 
2017 is 72.2
2019 is 68.6

you busted me embellishing a little bit....gosh, you should pump your chest out and make sure your mother is making you dinner tonight. Im sure when she calls you up from the basement your tomato soup and grilled cheese will be wonderful.
 
Yeah.... or you could look up how long each offense actually took between plays :)

https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=401112256

Time between plays (when clock was running):

PSU First Three Series: 30.1 Seconds average
331 seconds over 11 plays

OSU First Three Series: 30.1 Seconds average
603 seconds over 20 plays
Yeah, but that's just because tOSU ran twice as many plays. :confused:o_O

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OK, OK, just to make Mr. Nice Guy happy I will change my statement.

In my opinion our offense runs less plays than we did during the JM years and it looks like we take too much time to run our play based on the number of times we look at the sidelines to get the play. IN MY OPINION this offense has 2 plays....a big play or a one yard loss. thats it.
 
Could not disagree more. Franklin has stated innumerably that relationships are his most important asset.

The loyalty BS only goes so far. Ask Donovan. A head coach who sees himself as the CEO needs to be loyal to WINNING especially if he actually wants to win a NC. Where is the loyalty from assistant coaches who get offered SEC jobs? Loyalty is a two way street. Most of the staff will leave as soon as they get a better offer. If we can upgrade a position coach then it is time to move on.
 
So the parents are upset that the game plans are centered around getting the 2 best players the ball in their hands. WTF....did they think this was little league and they were entitled to so many passes a game? You either earn it or you don't.....and some are just sophs. Way to pass on that sense of entitlement....good grief.

Do you think this is little league when the players transfer or commit to other schools that run MORE plays, score MORE pints and MORE players get involved?
 
Do you think this is little league when the players transfer or commit to other schools that run MORE plays, score MORE pints and MORE players get involved?
How many starters who contribute leave from good teams? Maybe your Mommy got upset for you in college, seems like it with the tone of your posts.
 
No.... YOU are not correct.

The website accurately lists the statistics they were presenting. But YOU were too stupid to not realize those were not the statistics you were claiming...…. which were woefully WRONG anyway.

Don't blame the keyboard for the idiotic shit you type.

You must still be mad that I think Journey Brown is going to the draft.
I am sorry you have so much hate in your heart.
 
I linked in the data.... if you wanna' check for the first series only, be my guest. (Or send along $5 via PayPal, and I'll do the math for ya')

Of course, it will contradict your previous "FACT"..... so I'm guessing you won't :)
see Barry this is what you dont understand about the game. It aint all about stats you can pull off some web site. I said it seems, as in the feel of the game, which I never stated as a fact.. Sometimes it seems, OSU was taking more time between plays on the first drive as they had to run down the field 20 yards after a chunk play.
now watch their first 2 plays and tell me if it doesnt feel like they are just going out and down (if you even know what that means). The time between plays is because the guy runs so far on first down, and is out of bounds, and then the refs screw up where to spot the ball, But OSU is at the line up and running a play. Now how often do we see us doing that.
(I doubt you'll even hit the button, because once again it will prove you wrong)
 
I linked in the data.... if you wanna' check for the first series only, be my guest. (Or send along $5 via PayPal, and I'll do the math for ya')

Of course, it will contradict your previous "FACT"..... so I'm guessing you won't :)

you are an angry, angry man.
 
see Barry this is what you dont understand about the game. It aint all about stats you can pull off some web site. I said it seems, as in the feel of the game, which I never stated as a fact.. Sometimes it seems, OSU was taking more time between plays on the first drive as they had to run down the field 20 yards after a chunk play.
now watch their first 2 plays and tell me if it doesnt feel like they are just going out and down (if you even know what that means). The time between plays is because the guy runs so far on first down, and is out of bounds, and then the refs screw up where to spot the ball, But OSU is at the line up and running a play. Now how often do we see us doing that.
(I doubt you'll even hit the button, because once again it will prove you wrong)

Yup, not warp speed by any means, but competent, decisive, not looking to the sideline like mommy is going to write them a note.
 
see Barry this is what you dont understand about the game. It aint all about stats you can pull off some web site. I said it seems, as in the feel of the game, which I never stated as a fact.. Sometimes it seems, OSU was taking more time between plays on the first drive as they had to run down the field 20 yards after a chunk play.
now watch their first 2 plays and tell me if it doesnt feel like they are just going out and down (if you even know what that means). The time between plays is because the guy runs so far on first down, and is out of bounds, and then the refs screw up where to spot the ball, But OSU is at the line up and running a play. Now how often do we see us doing that.
(I doubt you'll even hit the button, because once again it will prove you wrong)

Jesus, and what a colossal mess our first possession is. Our O-line gets pushed into Cliffords face so he throws a 3 yard check down to Pat. Then OSU slants backers to play the QB keep on the read, but Young loops inside so literally Clifford has 0 place to go with the ball. 3rd down, they just pin their ears back and beat our offensive line like they owe them money, Cliff has 0 time to even let a rout develop before Chase Young is putting his balls in Cliff's facemask. What a total mess this offense was in that first half. Need a better O-line and scheme, like pronto.
 
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Franklin can’t fire 2 OC’s in a 4 year period. Does not meet the “look” test.
Neither does averaging 27 points a game in conference play over a two year stretch with an offense littered with 4/5 skill position players. The drop off is more than 10 points a game from his predecessor.
 
OK, OK, just to make Mr. Nice Guy happy I will change my statement.

In my opinion our offense runs less plays than we did during the JM years and it looks like we take too much time to run our play based on the number of times we look at the sidelines to get the play. IN MY OPINION this offense has 2 plays....a big play or a one yard loss. thats it.

and you’d still be wrong. Sorry
 
Every office has that one person nobody can stand. I wouldn’t think Lasch would be any different in that regard. Maybe Lorig is taking more than his fair share of apple fritters from the kitchen in the morning
 
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Neither does averaging 27 points a game in conference play over a two year stretch with an offense littered with 4/5 skill position players. The drop off is more than 10 points a game from his predecessor.

Yet we are still 10-2 with a chance at 11 wins for the 3rd time in the last 4 years.
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Yes... they are... you doubling-down-dipshit

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/penn-state/2016.html

If you had read the footnotes on the site YOU LINKED.... you would see that they exclude some games from their figures. Which is why those figures are a bit off. Of course, in either event, your claims of running 8-9 plays per game slower are just idiotic bloviations - and the actual number of plays per game the last two years are nearly exactly what they were in 2016 and 2017. You ignoramus.

You coulda' just said:
"Thank you for pointing out my error", and moved along :)

They're definitely within the "error" if you did a statistical regression evaluation on plays per game -- IOW, you would accept the "null hypothesis" versus a theory that JM's offenses ran 20% more plays...
 
I have a work associate who has a few contacts at Penn State. I am not saying any of this is 100% accurate, but felt I'd share.

1 - The special teams coach, Joe Lorig, does not really get a long with anyone else on the coaching staff. Apparently he is pretty close with Memphis coach Norvell who is in the running at FSU. Don't be surprised to see him bail, which would be unfortunate, because I personally felt they might have been our strongest and most consistent unit all year.

2 - Fumi Franklin and Ricky Rhane's wives are apparently very close. This could make a change at OC less likely to happen.

3 - Some Wide Reciver parents are unhappy with both Rhane and Clifford because they feel the offense centers around Hamler and Friermuth. (not in agreement, just repeating what he said).

4 - Surprising most of us, Slade is staying. Even more surprising because he is/was Shorter's roommate.

Enjoy!
1) Franklin should fire everyone to make Lorig happy.
2) Look out as there is about to be another PSU scandal. Rahne's multiple wives. This ain't Utah.
3) The offense does center on those two as it should. The idea is to get the ball into your best players' hands. If it didn't center on those two, everyone on here would be saying that KJ doesn't get enough touches. IIRC, there were criticisms that KJ didn't get enough touches. Urbs pointed out that you have to get your best player touches and even had a sheet marking the number of times his best player got the ball. He has to get his touches.
4) That is surprising. So far only Shorter in the portal.
 
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As a first year starter, McSorley completed nearly 58% of his passes and threw for 3618 yards and 28 tds in 2016, then 66% of his passes, 3570 yards and 28td in 2017. As a senior under Rahne, his completion percentage was 53.2% with 2530 yds and 18td. Clifford is at 59.5% with 2521 yards and 22td. Completion percentage below 60% in the last 6 games.

With a RS SR and all time passing leader and a RS Soph under Rahne, take 1,000 yards and 6-10 passing TDs off the table every year when compared to Moorehead.

common thread between Trace 5th year and Sean this year:
  • increased number of dropped passes
  • failure to get many 50/50 passes
  • both QBs hurt with noticeable injuries
not to defend RR but the last two years have had other issues also
 
common thread between Trace 5th year and Sean this year:
  • increased number of dropped passes
  • failure to get many 50/50 passes
  • both QBs hurt with noticeable injuries
not to defend RR but the last two years have had other issues also

Fair, but bullet point 3 falls on Rahne. He loves to run the qb into the middle of the defense when we desperately need a 1st down like they are big fullbacks. It has resulted in 2 banged up qbs over the last 2 years. When all else isnt working in Rahne offense, its smash the qb up in there and hope the defense doesnt see it coming, eventhough it's his favorite play.
 
Rahne might accept a demotion to Co OC with someone else if that decision was to be made. The TE's were pretty good under Rahne (Gesicki) as well. So maybe some shuffling happens, but I doubt it unless assistant coaches choose to go elsewhere.

During spring practice, the staff should remove 1 and 87 from the lineup and force Clifford to find somebody else open. Maybe that even means playing 9 on 9 -- without anyone at those positions on offense and defense -- and run the plays exactly the same except with two receivers and two defenders missing from the field.
It sounds silly but I like that idea. Play 11 on 11 but not PF or KJ. Are the TE and slot still the only ones open? Does Sean learn to look elsewhere. Neat idea.
 
Fair, but bullet point 3 falls on Rahne. He loves to run the qb into the middle of the defense when we desperately need a 1st down like they are big fullbacks. It has resulted in 2 banged up qbs over the last 2 years. When all else isnt working in Rahne offense, its smash the qb up in there and hope the defense doesnt see it coming, eventhough it's his favorite play.
Justin Fields ran 21 times against us. Just sayin....
 
As a first year starter, McSorley completed nearly 58% of his passes and threw for 3618 yards and 28 tds in 2016, then 66% of his passes, 3570 yards and 28td in 2017. As a senior under Rahne, his completion percentage was 53.2% with 2530 yds and 18td. Clifford is at 59.5% with 2521 yards and 22td. Completion percentage below 60% in the last 6 games.

With a RS SR and all time passing leader and a RS Soph under Rahne, take 1,000 yards and 6-10 passing TDs off the table every year when compared to Moorehead.
IMO silly argument. Look at the cast Moorehead and TM had.
Barkley at rb AND catching the ball. Godwin, Geisicki Hamilton. I remember in 2016 it seemed like we caught 75-80% of "50/50" balls. Little to do with OC and everything to do with WR.
 
What are you talking about? Pinegar is a sophomore not a junior. He had a heck of a year with both accuracy and distance. Our place kicking was greatly improved this year.
What are you talking about? Pinegar is a sophomore not a junior. He had a heck of a year with both accuracy and distance. Our place kicking was greatly improved this year.
That was supposed to be Gilliken, not Pinegar. My bad.
 
Jesus, and what a colossal mess our first possession is. Our O-line gets pushed into Cliffords face so he throws a 3 yard check down to Pat. Then OSU slants backers to play the QB keep on the read, but Young loops inside so literally Clifford has 0 place to go with the ball. 3rd down, they just pin their ears back and beat our offensive line like they owe them money, Cliff has 0 time to even let a rout develop before Chase Young is putting his balls in Cliff's facemask. What a total mess this offense was in that first half. Need a better O-line and scheme, like pronto.

But...but...10-2! We lost to OSU by less than anyone this year! And...and...Rahne's wives are happy!

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I hate to post this, because I would have to look back through the games to get specific instances, but I thought there were a lot of special teams mistakes this year. A penalty on any good return we could muster, Chisena hitting the Pitt returner too early might have been a bad call, down field blockers getting hit by the ball, very few returns by KJ because gunners were on top of him. Honestly, I was expecting a better show. Bright spots were a punter with a strong leg and a kickoff guy knocking it out of the end zone.
The Special Team coverage teams were pretty good, the FG and Xpt teams were pretty good. The return teams were not very good.
 
Thanks for the info.
Hope thats not true with Lorig because we were so much better than last year. Although we really didn't do much in the return game on either Punts or Kickoffs soooo.....I don't want to see him go but I'm sure there are other good ST coaches available.

#3 makes sense, especially if the parents are Justin Shorters. Although I could see Dotson's parents not being happy either. And I hope thats not the case because I really think Dotson is pretty good.

I hope there is a concerted effort by both RR, Franklin and Parker to re-tool, revise, rework, tweak, pick any word you like, the passing scheme. It needs some love.

I brought this up a few months ago about Lorig and I was almost run off this site. I have a friend who works in the AD. Not the football offices, but he is actually connected to general AD. Ticket sales, marketing, fund raising campaigns.... As some of you may know, the AD Offices of staff personnel are combined together. So there is a lot of inter-mingling. Anyhow, earlier in season when hanging at a tailgate with this buddy, he told me that Lorig might be gone after the season because he & rest of staff just did not "hit it off". Said there was no open animosity, or in-fighting, but said there was enough "personal disagreement" about some things, that Lorig will probably look to move on, and Franklin will be "supportive of the move".

I mentioned this on a thread about 1 month ago and was attacked. But TIFWIW.
 
Do you think the offense is good or a strength of this team/program?

We were 3rd in scoring offense in the B1G, 6th in total offense. I think we started 8 players with sophomore or frosh eligibility and will probably return 9 of 11 starters next year. I think there is plenty of room for improvement but we were not “bad” on offense.
 
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