Maybe more than 11 NCAA matches this year but sounds conceptually similar.
Spencer Lee doing a Snyder schedule
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I understand the logic in this, but still cannot wrap my head around this simple fact. US Olympics trials are 2 weeks after NCAAs. NCAA's is brutal, 5 matches in 3 days and 3 weigh-ins. Even a minor injury at NCAAs could know you out of the Olympic trials, let alone trying to peak for two tournaments so close together. Take the Olympic redshirt.
Man who hunts two rabbits often goes hungry, focus on one goal at a time.
Man who hunts two rabbits often goes hungry, focus on one goal at a time.
I would place a few bets that Lee would take an Olympic Redshirt if the coaches were supportive of the idea. That said.....I think the odds of Spencer missing the PSU dual at Iowa are about the same as me winning Nobel Prizes in 3 different areas.
Just out of curiosity. The chances of you winning Nobel Prizes in 3 different disciplines (or areas) is noticeably greater than you winning a single Nobel Prize?
Just asking?
The chances of me SPELLING Nobel Prize without help is greater than any scenario conceived by you or me involving any award in any area of achievement......ie…...I couldn't spell Cat if you spotted me the K and the A.
It’s doable. If I’m not mistaken, Kyle Dake won four, in four different disciplines, all without a redshirt.
And PD3 won even more than Dake!
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It's a risk, no doubt about it. They rolled the dice his freshman year and it worked out, so now they are doubling down.
The same applies to every college wrestler not taking an Olympic Redshirt, including all of the Penn State starters, a number of whom have hopes of making the Olympic Team.
This could have Hodge implications, depending on how few NCAA matches Spencer wrestles.
Doubling down, driving hard for that second place team trophy.
I don't see this nearly as black-and-white as you. It is doable, if his schedule is managed well. Spencer's one of those guys that dishes more than he receives, so a shortened regular season, a couple bouts at the B1G Tournament and a full NCAA Tournament should be ok. Maybe even an advantage, as he'll have live action more recently than some that will show up on April 4th and have to shake off the rust.
With his health history, it does seem like he would risk spreading himself thin. It can be managed, but I would
imagine he'll need to be careful about overdoing it.
imagine he'll need to be careful about overdoing it.
I don't think it's fair to say (or imply) Spencer's coaches aren't supportive of him taking an ORS. I'd guess that if he said he wanted to take it, they would be good with it.
I think it's a testament to Spencer Lee in general. He knows (regardless of what his coaches do or say) that this is the Iowa's best shot at a team title in 10 years. And he knows that him taking an ORS completely nukes that possibility.
I can't think of a collegiate wrestler who is better suited for an ORS than Spencer Lee. He's a world class wrestler (multi-time world champ), but hasn't competed internationally in years. And he seems to deal with more injury issues than most (at least more than the last guy who tried to do this).
Spencer Lee "should" take the ORS. But because of his commitment to the Iowa team, he's not.
one difference is that most college wrestlers are not qualified to take an olympic redshirt
I agree with you, but what if they don't win the title and he doesn't end up making the team? There will be a lot of second guessing going on. If he truly values a Gold medal over an NCAA title then he should take the ORS. This could potentially be his best chance to make the team. Who knows what will happen by 2024? If he doesn't make the team next year he might never make it. Four years is a long time with a lot of unknowns to not go all in for 2020. The one good thing is that him wrestling this year makes NCAA's exciting. If he did take the ORS barring any injuries to PSU they would be heavy favorites to win again and probably wrap it up by Friday evening.
True, but most that have aspirations ARE eligible, including at least 5 of our starters.
I will. Thanks for the encouragement though.
Of the PSU guys eligible who has a better/as good a chance of making the team as Lee? I think Lee can beat Fix, Gilman or Cruz. Not sure I can say that about any of the PSU guys at the weight they will be.
IMHO, none, but that is beside the point. Any that want to try still have the same problem that Lee will have without taking an Olympic Redshirt and we know that a number are trying which is why our December schedule is what it is.
A 100% Lee i would take over anyone, but Fix,Gilman,Gross, Suriano etc will be in the stands at NCAA’s while Spencer is out there getting wore down. I’ll take the field.
If you are talking about former PSU guys as well, then I like DT's chances more than Lee's. Wasn't sure if you were only talking guys on current roster.
If he doesn't win the title or end up making the Olympic team, the second-guessing will be by fans, which is unfortunate. Far worse would be Spencer second-guessing his own decision about what could have been.
I am taking any of the eligible PSU guys over Fix, Gilman, Cruz and Spencer.
Let alone, other than Berge, how many of them competed in freestyle in the offseason.
If any of the current PSU guys made the semi's at the trials we would be very surprised, no one is surprised if Spencer makes the Olympic team. That is why I would take the Olympic redshirt. Suffer a minor injury at NCAA's you are going to push through it which probably eliminates you from serious contention at the trials.
You never know how many shots you get at the Olympic team. In 1976 Wade Schalles was injured and did not make the Olympic team. I believe in 1980 he did win a spot on the team and the Olympics were boycotted.
Maximize your chances when you have them.
Nahhhh, go for the gusto!! Heck, a wrestler could get injured at an October 10th team practice.
I've read a couple of times now that "this season is Iowa's best shot at a team title." According to today's WrestleStat, PSU is projected to win the tournament by 30.5 points over 2nd place Iowa. With what could be the final season for five PSU starters AND Iowa graduating just two of their starters, we might conclude that NEXT YEAR (2021) would be the Hawkeye's (as well as other school's) best opportunity to win
ROAR?
Is that really you? You feeling OK?
I’m glad to see your keyboard actually does have an exclamation point.
What about WIN, TOM, and others? Not sure I'd use any of them, frankly, to make an argument about how the season will unfold. Right now I'll say no way NCAA's will be a 30.5 point margin for Penn State.
100% of our men's freestyle Olympic medals in 2016 were won by people who wrestled at NCAAs that year.
In fact who was the last Olympic redshirt who qualified for the team?
In fact who was the last Olympic redshirt who qualified for the team?
Sorry I meant a team title since it sounds like that would be the main reason not to take the ORS.
Just talking wrestling why is that a problem. Im not Trolling unlike a lot of posters have you ever been over on HR? Have you read any of my other posts or just the one.
