Assuming Marinelli in the 165 pound final is a helluva leap of unfounded faith.
PSU with 4 champs and Iowa with 1 (Spencer) and a runner-up in Kemerer seems a more realistic scenario.
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PSU with 4 champs and Iowa with 1 (Spencer) and a runner-up in Kemerer seems a more realistic scenario.
Brooks? NFW
”Stallrocci” was ”affected” by a supposed “eyeballing” from Downtown Darnell,so he’s not that great of an example for your point.
He (Marinelli) made the semi-finals, once. 2018, lost to IMar. Must have been a traumatic experience. Avoided them like the plague afterwards.
I made the same mistake on here and was corrected. There were so many Marinelli NCAA quarter-final surprises it is easy to miss that single QF success.
He definitely fit the Iowa wrestler under acheiving in the post season under TnT. OTOH his wife is quite pretty so never understood why everyone complained why BTN showed her so much.
tough for iowa when they don't have anyone that can wrestle like Star and Brooks!
He was a four time Big 10 Champ. That’s four more than Cenzo won. Also more than Bo, Nolf, Zain and Hall. Fair to say he underachieved at NCAAs, but not the postseason.
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I’m not sure I’d call it quitting on his teammates, although I can see why you would.
Last I checked the NCAAs are post season wrestling. Despite his success in the post season conference tournament, if he under performed in the NCAAs his post-season performances were still below expectations.
Think Marinelli would like to change careers with Cenzo or vice versa?
I didn’t know Bo Schembechler posted here
Absolutely. But I disagree that a four time Big Ten Champ underperformed in the “postseason”. Winning Big 10 four times is special.
I understand that me thinking he quit on his teammates isn’t a popular opinion. And I understand not everyone feels that way and I’m ok with that. For me, being there and watching Jacob Warner, Pat Kennedy, Real Woods, and all the other Iowa wrestlers give everything to get their team trophy, I felt awful for those guys. When you are there and you see the hurt they ALL go through….the pain, the loss, it’s heartbreaking as a fan of the sport. I was actually sitting in Iowas inner circle suite when Spencer got pinned and it wasn’t just heartbreaking for him and his family. That fan base was heartbroken. To me, he quit on them not wrestling back. He could have wrestled back for the next best thing and according to him in his own words he wasn’t hurt. (I know this is debatable). But how are you going to come back for essentially your 6th year and take Drake Ayala’s spot in the lineup as a leader and not fight for those guys on the team. Especially after the Drake drama with his mother early in the year. To me, this moment is indicative of who Iowa is today. And unlike many people on this forum I actually love Iowa fans. I love all wrestling fans. It’s the greatest sport in the world and every event I go to I get into the most amazing conversations with Iowa fans. Their forum doesn’t represent their fan base although I can understand why people feel it does. I just think he could have wrestled back for 3D and he would have had the biggest ovation ever. The place would have went crazy. He chose not to. In my mind he quit.
Especially since qualifying twice for Big 10s is elite.
Marinelli was the 1 seed with a 20-1 record with wins in 2020 over the top seeds (Wick and Wittlake) on his side of the bracket.
Marinelli was not an all-time great by any means, but it's not "unfounded faith" to assume he had a great chance at making the final that time.
It is certainly true, though, that Marinelli was bizarrely way better at beating Joseph than he was at actually winning at NCAAs.
And Evans got ridiculously screwed by the ref in his semi. He pinned Chris Perry.
And he would trade all 4 for 1 single NCAA title.
I saw a donkey driving to work today.
One time in Centerville, Allegany County, New York I saw a guy spending his Friday evening riding around on his jury-rigged sleigh, which consisted of a mounted sofa being pulled by a Shetland pony (not donkey, but close enough).
Considering he was 0 for 4 in reaching the finals and lost all 3 QF matches that he was the higher seed (1, 1, 3) I still contend it is a rather large leap of faith that this one single time at band camp he pounds his way through.
Let’s also consider that his recent performance at the US Men’s Open which is the freestyle equivalent of a national tournament resulted in another QF loss.
I think that anyone who is objective about the matter would agree that Marinelli should be rated as a pretty decent wrestler who could never perform well in the big national tournaments. (But he did sleep with a nice looking blonde at the Holiday Inn last night.)
I'm not sure if its fair to compare his NCAA tourneys in which he was a if not the favorite to his performance in his first US Open in a bracket that had Chance, Dieringer, Carter, McFadden and Kemerer. Heck, he still took 4th. He is a good wrestler.
In which case, today's 8-minute Flo video titled "You're Wrong About Spencer" and consisting entirely of Piles talking, probably won't help.
Someone check my math, but I was surprised to see that of the 50 3x national champions, only 1 failed to win a title as a senior. Some might suggest that stat, combined with a 3-2 record in conference championships, puts Lee as the 50th best wrestler in NCAA history?
Maybe you're chumming the waters. But just in case, count the # of 3 time champs that couldn't wrestle as freshmen before 1969.
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And by the way, my top 50 NCAA tourney list went over like a lead balloon on GIA. Lee is at #18.
All you guys wanted to talk about for years was Lord Spencer. Now that he’s taken an L, and looks very beatable he’s off limits to talk about?
Only six earned the opportunity to wrestle for a fourth after winning three in their first three attempts.
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In our hillbilly county, the DUI folks drive lawn mowers into town to get their legal hooch.
