Spencer Lee forfeiting out the rest of the tourney.
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I just think he's always been climbing and ascending in his wrestling career. Look I would have bet the farm he was our guy in 2024 a few years ago and would have pegged him as a top person for gold coming from the US. He's not that now because they pushed him to being the face of a program, not his own career. I hope he's fine and it's a bump in the road but going through what he went through injury wise and then dropping out of the NCAA tournament has to impact his psyche. This whole reasoning is why I think we are destined to punt next year as a team. I think Cael is more worried about the program not just for NCAA championships but for international mystique too and it's hard to tell guys I'll take you as far as I can with Olympic dreams but then force them to wrestle during Olympic redshirts so we can steal another NCAA team championship.
They showed her later, appearing to pout, without any glasses on her face.
As is probably evident, I am not a fan.
John Fritz got into considerable hot water over an on-mat incident at Rec Hall in which he let his passion get the best of him. A significant part of campus wanted him fired, because of how it reflected on the university.
The Brands' passion is admirable. Their self-restraint needs some work, as Fritz's did that day. (Though Fritz learned from it.)
PS, our head coach would've been Koll.
Bottom line if he wins he wrestles he wasn't hurt except his pride and ego. He walked off like nothing happened. He mff because he got pinned end of story the right thing to do in my opinion would have been to wrestle like a man and take third he didn't do that. I may be completely wrong and we will probably never know the whole story.
I think she was pissed because she didn't pull that move on Spencer lol. And nothing jts says can compare to the undeniably stupid shit that is said on hr. Wtf are you talking about. Can you read. Go read hr and then come back with one example of how those idiots are not clearly more pathetic then anyone anywhere I'll wait
Lol. The fact that nobody actually believes that Spencer was the goat other than Iowa fans doesn't mean anything right? I for one have never been impressed with Spencer Lee I knew he would get beat in high school and I knew he would get beat in college. He's not close to the goat which makes your remark somewhat confusing
I said this the other day. He showed up Tom after beating drake. Spencer was running that program the last two years not the brands brothers. His ego got a little too big after he bought into the goat shit without earning it but that's just my opinion. More will be revealed I'm sure in the next few years it isn't over
I'm quite familiar with the quote , do you realize it was made in 1910? Before most had tv? Radio? And Internet ? Most people weren't blessed enough to see any live sports. It's a different era.
I believe it happened at least once in high school….
I don't buy for one minute that Spencer didn't seek adoration or did not like the attention he received from being a good wrestler and it did go to his head. That was crystal clear when he turned to tom and did you did this when he pinned drake. Iowa fans at that point should have seen this whole thing about to come unglued but they didn't because they bought Into Spencer being their savior. Just my opinion
I've read shit on hr when rby lost that was a lot more bothersome than anything I've read about Spencer on here so I agree with this
If he really wanted to man up he should have been giving a press conference along with brands explaining to the fans what was going on. That's sports. By not doing that he opened the door for whatever rumors would come. It doesn't make it right but that's what happens. He's human and could have showed that side to everyone but didn't and it turned out making him look like a sore loser. Now I know he hugged the other guys at the podium but nobody saw that. Just saying
Someone came on this board and specifically said down goes RBY yada yada yada. He got banned and they were taken down quickly. He did the same for Levi Haines.
Has Spencer ever come across as arrogant to you? Honest question. I’m definitely biased so your input would help.
Yes, but some guys are arrogant and that’s just how they are. Like some of them and don’t like some of them. Some guys are arrogant and don’t act like they aren’t. To me Lee seems contrived.
I was talking NCAAs. But Spencer has the double there. For PIAAs, Spencer is the only one I can think of who lost #4 on the mat. Garrett Scott (RIP) wasn't given the chance for #4 as punishment. Probably some others, but I'm not as encyclopedic as I once was, and don't feel like looking it up at the moment.
I know what you meant, I was going for the joke, which apparently was missed by some. My jokes often are, but they entertain me, lol.
no socket… a short extension and two old rusty nuts is all.
ADS cries and quits. Spencer impersonates a mallard, and now they supposedly have two sexual deviates "cumming" on board.
Business as usual in IC
It takes a few sexual predators to mentor one.
Brands v. Sheldon Community School, 671 F. Supp. 627 (N.D. Iowa 1987)
Brands v. Sheldon Community School, 671 F. Supp. 627 (N.D. Iowa 1987) case opinion from the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Iowa
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I never cared for Spencer all too much for his attitude. Sure an amazing wrestler but character wise not so much. Certain groups be like he is such a nice awesome guy. Lol. We saw what type of person he was this weekend. Should have finished out the tournament. He would have been a hero to so many. Anyway… I saw him face mush Desanto his junior year of HS in the finals after teching him 15-0. Winning was not good enough, he had to rub in his dominance after it was over. Then the following year after he lost to Desanto he sat there on the mat and when the review was upheld he walked off the mat without shaking the other coaches hands cause he lost. Karma.
We saw what he did with Ayala this year. But what really showed me his true colors was a video i watched last year. It was on creighton wrestling on youtube. The coach has a club and he knows a bunch of high level kids and he posts lots of good technique videos. Lots of these guys(Cenzo, Leeth, Brock, and others) he does video calls or they hook up in person and they show technique and stuff. Anyway he posted a video last year from him and spencer lee on a video call. I think he was expecting more of the technique session but Spencer was in a college room and seemed more interested in just talking. Just my take. Anyway the amount of arrogance he shows is unreal. I have watched it numerous times cause spencer does talk technique a bit and kind of show some stuff, with a little help
of Gavin Teasdale who pops in briefly. So i believe its a bit older recorded from when he posted it less than a year ago. Spencer talks so much crap on Tomasello and Darian Cruz its not funny. As he is showing clips of their matches and kind of breaking it down he is making mad fun of them how bad they suck. Seemed odd to me how he had to crap all over them to make himself feel good. The level of arrogance and the way he put them down was embarrassing.
It was a big turn off for me. I will take a guy like Nolf everyday over him. A guy who had to listen to berger constantly talk crap on him. Yet Nolf just let his wrestling do the talking. And when an interviewer tried to bait Nolf, he praised Berger and said nice things about him. Thats the type of guy kids should be looking up to. Sure there have been way worse kids then the arrogance Lee has shown, but its just peoples choices to judge him and his character after what he displayed this weekend. He is a great winner, but a poor loser. Judging by the way his mom acted in her tantrum, and the way his coaches act their whole lives, its no surprise how he quit. If Spencer wins that match, he wrestles the finals. Period. Also to be fair, I am not the biggest fan of Starocci with some of the stuff he says. Kind of a turn off for me. I do respect the swagger and the utter confidence some of these guys show, just the shit talking for a college wrestler is a turn off for me. But hey then they gotta understand the fans are gonna root against these types and jump all over them when stuff like this happens. Imagine if Cathy Lee just kept her cool and just cried and embraced her family, her glasses would have survived and she could have continued to watch some good wrestling all while not making her sons loss even more of a spectacle for the whole world to know about. I think next time they play wrestle in the living room, Spencer gonna hit a firemans and instead of tilting her he gonna run a double arm bar on mom!
That all said. Spencer is sure a joy to watch on the mat. He is an all time great, who is a killer on the mat. I know he was not healthy which makes it remarkable what he has accomplished. Wish him a full recovery and hope he can someday soon be at his best for freestyle. Regardless of what we think of his character, the kid has dedicated his life to this sport and it sucks for anyone to have to deal with injuries like this.
We saw what he did with Ayala this year. But what really showed me his true colors was a video i watched last year. It was on creighton wrestling on youtube. The coach has a club and he knows a bunch of high level kids and he posts lots of good technique videos. Lots of these guys(Cenzo, Leeth, Brock, and others) he does video calls or they hook up in person and they show technique and stuff. Anyway he posted a video last year from him and spencer lee on a video call. I think he was expecting more of the technique session but Spencer was in a college room and seemed more interested in just talking. Just my take. Anyway the amount of arrogance he shows is unreal. I have watched it numerous times cause spencer does talk technique a bit and kind of show some stuff, with a little help
of Gavin Teasdale who pops in briefly. So i believe its a bit older recorded from when he posted it less than a year ago. Spencer talks so much crap on Tomasello and Darian Cruz its not funny. As he is showing clips of their matches and kind of breaking it down he is making mad fun of them how bad they suck. Seemed odd to me how he had to crap all over them to make himself feel good. The level of arrogance and the way he put them down was embarrassing.
It was a big turn off for me. I will take a guy like Nolf everyday over him. A guy who had to listen to berger constantly talk crap on him. Yet Nolf just let his wrestling do the talking. And when an interviewer tried to bait Nolf, he praised Berger and said nice things about him. Thats the type of guy kids should be looking up to. Sure there have been way worse kids then the arrogance Lee has shown, but its just peoples choices to judge him and his character after what he displayed this weekend. He is a great winner, but a poor loser. Judging by the way his mom acted in her tantrum, and the way his coaches act their whole lives, its no surprise how he quit. If Spencer wins that match, he wrestles the finals. Period. Also to be fair, I am not the biggest fan of Starocci with some of the stuff he says. Kind of a turn off for me. I do respect the swagger and the utter confidence some of these guys show, just the shit talking for a college wrestler is a turn off for me. But hey then they gotta understand the fans are gonna root against these types and jump all over them when stuff like this happens. Imagine if Cathy Lee just kept her cool and just cried and embraced her family, her glasses would have survived and she could have continued to watch some good wrestling all while not making her sons loss even more of a spectacle for the whole world to know about. I think next time they play wrestle in the living room, Spencer gonna hit a firemans and instead of tilting her he gonna run a double arm bar on mom!
That all said. Spencer is sure a joy to watch on the mat. He is an all time great, who is a killer on the mat. I know he was not healthy which makes it remarkable what he has accomplished. Wish him a full recovery and hope he can someday soon be at his best for freestyle. Regardless of what we think of his character, the kid has dedicated his life to this sport and it sucks for anyone to have to deal with injuries like this.
I was talking about Hr. It was relatively calm when Haines and Rby went down, especially when compared to Spencer’s loss the night prior.
Thoughtful post, James. One line got me thinking …
Spencer had a chance in Tulsa to cement his legacy as an all-time great.
But he got decked and quit the competition.
So when all was said and done, he ended up with a college career not quite as good as Alex Dieringer’s.
If he goes on to do something epic in international competition (multiple gold medals like David Taylor or an Olympic run as dominant as Gable’s in ‘72) or becomes the coach who vanquishes Cael, he could still go down as an all-time great.
Until then, he’s an all-time very good.
Honest question, what do you think?
Did Spencer return this year for himself?
Did he return for the team?
Did he return for his parents?
Did he return for some combination of the 3?
After double knee surgery, I doubt many would have faulted SL if he had decided to move on to his international goals.
Personally, I believe choice 3 was the driving factor. Larry recruiting the portal and mom's reaction on Friday night gives the impression of a pair of helicopter parents who are a bit more invested than they should be.
After all, he was a child prodigy. Anything less than the GOAT was unfathomable.
I'm sure a 4th title was attractive to all involved, but Spencer was the only one who would have to endure the grind for a 6th year.
Events at Soldier Solute, his poor conditioning, and defaulting out of the tourney lead me to believe he had not bought in all the way.
Did Spencer return this year for himself?
Did he return for the team?
Did he return for his parents?
Did he return for some combination of the 3?
After double knee surgery, I doubt many would have faulted SL if he had decided to move on to his international goals.
Personally, I believe choice 3 was the driving factor. Larry recruiting the portal and mom's reaction on Friday night gives the impression of a pair of helicopter parents who are a bit more invested than they should be.
After all, he was a child prodigy. Anything less than the GOAT was unfathomable.
I'm sure a 4th title was attractive to all involved, but Spencer was the only one who would have to endure the grind for a 6th year.
Events at Soldier Solute, his poor conditioning, and defaulting out of the tourney lead me to believe he had not bought in all the way.
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I see on here that the Iowa fan is telling us that Iowa is the most popular program in the country. Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't.
However, I don't recall seeing so much college wrestling on national TV until Penn State started winning national championships 12 years ago.
Coincidence? Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.
However, I don't recall seeing so much college wrestling on national TV until Penn State started winning national championships 12 years ago.
Coincidence? Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.
I think this is the entire list of MFF and ID from the back side. In my opinion, this is not a lot.
125: Spencerx2
133: None
141: Kolenorx1, Hardy ID at 2:11 I think with cracked ribs
149: None
157: Rob ID at 0:00, also holding his ribs when he walked off
165: Olejnik ID at 5:40
174: None
184: Munozx2
197: Amosx1
285: Hillger ID 0:01.
So, there were roughly 300 matches on the backside, with 8 wrestlers defaulting.
That is what I get for voice dictating, lololol! I read it later and thought WTF?!?!
Isn't he at 99 victories now? I think I'd want that 100th before I left the college ranks.
Munoz was obviously seriously injured (knee) in the semi match vs Keckeisen.
It's all pretty simple.
Would Spencer have continued wrestling if he had won in the semis? Answer is, beyond any doubt, "yes".
So he wasn't too injured to wrestle in the consolation bracket.
Would Spencer have continued wrestling if he had won in the semis? Answer is, beyond any doubt, "yes".
So he wasn't too injured to wrestle in the consolation bracket.
