Flukey? When was the last time Michigan won one of those flukey B1G Championships? That would be 2004. Two Thousand Four. Take a hike.Lol, bragging about a fluky conference championship. If you don't win the NC, you take head to head every time.
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Flukey? When was the last time Michigan won one of those flukey B1G Championships? That would be 2004. Two Thousand Four. Take a hike.Lol, bragging about a fluky conference championship. If you don't win the NC, you take head to head every time.
Flukey? When was the last time Michigan won one of those flukey B1G Championships? That would be 2004. Two Thousand Four. Take a hike.
Lol, bragging about a fluky conference championship. If you don't win the NC, you take head to head every time.
Narduzzi#36
Ferentz#25
Chryst#22
Franklin#15
Kelly#14??? (Got to be kidding)
Petrino#13
Dantonio#10
Shaw#7 (Overrated)
Harbaugh#5 (After last year)?????
Swinney#3
Meyer#2 (No surprise)
Saban#1 (Certainly no surprise)
These are the ones that caught my eye as I was really interested in where they ranked JF. Surprised to see Kelly, Petrino, and Harbaugh ranked that high. Also surprised to see Shaw at #7.
So you're saying you'd give up Michigan's 2004 B1G title just for a win over OSU that year?
Sure.
Heck, I had no idea who even won the game that year without looking it up. But I have no problem reciting all the B1G champs over the past 15 years.
And Michigan hasn't won one of those in close to 70 years (1/2s don't count).
Nope, Michigan won the NC in 1997. Far more recently than PSU obviously.
Nope, Michigan won the NC in 1997. Far more recently than PSU obviously.
Actually, they shared it with a team that would have ripped them to shreds. Overrated, as always.
PSU was every bit the national champion in 1994 as Michigan was in 1997. So slightly more recently.
I would say to have winning records in his first two years, Franklin is a lot better in game coach than given credit for. Both teams probably should have been 3 or 4 win teams. He made chicken salad out of chicken shit and then gets criticized because his chicken salad isn't as good as the salad at the Ritz.Kelly at 14 is biggest joke. Team was a disaster last year and he gets big time recruits and a very handsome salary. Maybe last year was an aberration but I sure as hell didn't see PSU with one losing record during the most severe sanctions any football team has received outside of SMU.
NOT ONE LOSING RECORD, there are maybe 3 schools tops that could survive that and I doubt it because PSU kids have heart and a different breed.
Franklin is about right where he should be ranked, in game coaching saps his overall and thats the only thing. top 5 recruiter, motivator, disciplinarian, etc. Probably about 50 for in game coach. If he can improve that he will take off. I still think Joe Mo is the biggest reason for the success last year. He revitalized that team and offense since coming on. A staff without him will make me very nervous.
Impressive win over a depleted team made worse by a bush league spearing call.Psu is still not totally over the sanctions but at least it's a more level playing field.49-10
Kelly at 14 is biggest joke. Team was a disaster last year and he gets big time recruits and a very handsome salary. Maybe last year was an aberration but I sure as hell didn't see PSU with one losing record during the most severe sanctions any football team has received outside of SMU.
NOT ONE LOSING RECORD, there are maybe 3 schools tops that could survive that and I doubt it because PSU kids have heart and a different breed.
Franklin is about right where he should be ranked, in game coaching saps his overall and thats the only thing. top 5 recruiter, motivator, disciplinarian, etc. Probably about 50 for in game coach. If he can improve that he will take off. I still think Joe Mo is the biggest reason for the success last year. He revitalized that team and offense since coming on. A staff without him will make me very nervous.
Franklin is about right where he should be ranked, in game coaching saps his overall and thats the only thing. top 5 recruiter, motivator, disciplinarian, etc. Probably about 50 for in game coach. If he can improve that he will take off. I still think Joe Mo is the biggest reason for the success last year. He revitalized that team and offense since coming on. A staff without him will make me very nervous.
Yes, I would. No question.
And Michigan hasn't won one of those in close to 70 years (1/2s don't count).
This is my dream job. Just make crap up and paid for it. There is no criteria listed for how coaches were ranked. It says ranking for 2017, but 2017 season hasn't started.
What defines a good coach? Recruiting for sure. Record, for sure. But how about overachieving? Margin of victory? Consistency? Overcoming adversity? Clock management? In game decision making? Hiring of assistants? Graduation rates?
I don't think too many would disagree with Saban, Meyer and Sweeney being in the top 3. But how do we know they are good coaches? All coaches say it largely comes to down to recruiting.
If I think of coaches like Ferentz, who doesn't recruit all that well, but usually has a competitive team and every few years, a really good team, it could be argued that he is a better coach than the top 3.
Pretty good win for a third place team. Cherish it because that's all you have from last season. You can come to Penn State and see the trophy if you'd like.We beat you 49-10 when we played.
Oh yeah we'll we did a bunch of other stuff and you guys did a bunch of other stuff and history lessons and stuff.
So now the loss doesn't count even though the game ended in a 49-10 score in favor of Michigan.
Because stuff!
Very good points, canuckhal. There are so many facets to being a HC, that it can be an overwhelming task, a reason why the successful ones have such large support staff. But to narrow the description down, I'll consider (1) does he bring in talent? (2) does he keep from screwing up that talent? and (c) can he develop talent when he can't get #1?
Based on these criteria, I would rank as follows (admitting my bias):
1. Meyer - masters #1, very solid at #2, rarely needs #3 because he does #1 so well
2. Saban - wouldn't have been here based on his time at MSU; however, since getting out of the conference where everything is designed for the 2 Darlings, he has proven a master at both 1 and 2. Like Meyer, he rarely needs #3.
3. Fisher - gets the talent, is pretty solid developing it, but he falters at developing less gifted talent into stars IMO.
4. Swinney - not quite the recruiter of the 3 above, but he seems to do exceptionally well at #'s 2 and 3
5. Franklin - is becoming a challenger at #1, has clearly been solid at developing the talent, and, just MO, he and staff do a great job of finding players to fill needed slots.
That one championship puts him ahead of the clown they have at #5 on the list.All of your top 4 have won a National Championship recently including Fisher who "falters at developing less gifted talent into stars"
What in the world would suggest Franklin belongs in a top 5 list with these other 4 National Championship coaches?
And what in the wide world of sports would suggest he is "becoming a Challenger at #1?"
Must be his 49-30 overall record, 3-3 Bowl Record and 1 Big10 Championship.
All of your top 4 have won a National Championship recently including Fisher who "falters at developing less gifted talent into stars"
What in the world would suggest Franklin belongs in a top 5 list with these other 4 National Championship coaches?
And what in the wide world of sports would suggest he is "becoming a Challenger at #1?"
Must be his 49-30 overall record, 3-3 Bowl Record and 1 Big10 Championship.
Or a championship of any kind.Hahahaha. You Michigan fans are a riot. Your pathetic program wins all of one single national title (and a split one at that) since World War II, yet you come over to the board of the reigning Big Ten champions to ridicule that championship coach.
Since you must have trouble understanding what you read, let me refer you to check out my post again. I stated the criteria I used and offered my opinion based on them. I'm not interested in your opinion. Most intelligent people realize any attempt to rank "best" in professions like coaching, medicine, education, law, etc. is merely conjecture. Why, I know some misinformed Michigan fans who actually rank Bo Schembechler among the best college coaches. And old Bo never won a s single national title and lost twice as many bowl games as he won.
James Franklin has only been here 3 years. IMO! he'll win a national championship at Penn State. So go back and worship your Bo statue ... or is it now Jim, another coach who has never won a national title?
It counts as does the B10 championship game and the Rose Bowl game.We beat you 49-10 when we played.
Oh yeah we'll we did a bunch of other stuff and you guys did a bunch of other stuff and history lessons and stuff.
So now the loss doesn't count even though the game ended in a 49-10 score in favor of Michigan.
Because stuff!
Or maybe the fact that he never had a losing record coming off sanctions meant to destroy the football program and still managed to win the B10 championship.All of your top 4 have won a National Championship recently including Fisher who "falters at developing less gifted talent into stars"
What in the world would suggest Franklin belongs in a top 5 list with these other 4 National Championship coaches?
And what in the wide world of sports would suggest he is "becoming a Challenger at #1?"
Must be his 49-30 overall record, 3-3 Bowl Record and 1 Big10 Championship.
Too bad Weis isn't coaching, would like to see where he would have been ranked, lol
Lol, narrow minded sPitt and scUM fans. Always winning battles, forever losing wars.
Let us know when your savior finally wins a B1G Championship like the leagues top coaches, Meyer and Franklin. Maybe sleeping over at a teenagers house doesn't work, after all???