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Statement from Barron and Masser.

Originally posted by colt21:
Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:


Originally posted by NICNEM_PSU80:
Dr. Barron and Mr. Masser,

I must strenuously object to your ludicrous position that BOT members are not allowed to review documents that were produced for the BOT. How can you claim Attorney Client Privilege when the 7 people are members of the client, the BOT? Those seven members are the client, and to an extent, they have higher standing as the client than Dr. Barron since you are no longer a voting member of the BOT.

Sorry but FSS was hired to act as counsel, conduct an investigation, and produce a report for the Special Investigative Task Force (mssrs Frazier, Tomalis, Arnelle, Bluford, Dambly, Eckel, Hagan, Hughes, and Peetz ) not the BOT's or PSU. FSS acted under the sole direction of the SITF not the BOT's or PSU and it is the SITF that has the discretion for the release of FSS work product information. Accordingly, your letter probably should have been addressed to the SITF members rather than President Barron or Keith Masser.

This is not only ludicrous, it is uncivil, to remind you of the dictate that you, Dr. Barron have commanded the two sides to cease being. If you want us to be civil you need to lead in a civil way instead of conducting illegitimate maneuvers to potentially conceal acts that may require correction. Innate in each BOT's responsibility is the need for information so that they can defend the University from others who may cause it harm from outside the University or from within. It is similar to the oath to defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Each BOT member can and should bring issues in front of the board. That is their duty. To suggest that Board members only have the right to information regarding issues that are in front of the board is outrageous. For instance, If a board member or heard of or saw a sexual predator molesting a child on campus should that BOT member not bring that to the Board? I think that the Board member should bring it to the attention of the police don't you? Have you not learned anything from this sad event ? Should that member not be able to ask for all of the information regarding that predator that has been gathered to date?

Why are you attempting to curtail or prevent the responsibility of individual board members from acting on their fiduciary requirements as members. Isn't this exactly contrary to what the responsibility of each board member AND a requirement of the Freeh recommendations that shows the need for the administration of the university to be open and less insular regarding essentially harmful practices? Isn't this the type of act that prevented a larger vetting of the Sandusky problems that if brought to light may have ended his victimization of boys?

Where is the transparency? It is understandable that Some issues may be ACP but that is to the public but not within the board itself.

I am ashamed of your response and I hope that you realize that you should be as well. After all you have a doctorate degree and you should know better. You need to apologize, in a civil and public fashion for your highly inappropriate stance that you callously and sheepishly stated through an attorney and then apologize to all of the alumni, faculty and students for your uncivil behavior.

With Civility,
Nicholas G. Nemeth, PSU 80 AE
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This post was edited on 4/20 11:21 AM by Cruising Route 66
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Sorry but FSS was hired to act as counsel, conduct an investigation, and produce a report for the Special Investigative Task Force (mssrs Frazier, Tomalis, Arnelle, Bluford, Dambly, Eckel, Hagan, Hughes, and Peetz ) not the BOT's or PSU. FSS acted under the sole direction of the SITF not the BOT's or PSU and it is the SITF that has the discretion for the release of FSS work product information. Accordingly, your letter probably should have been addressed to the SITF members rather than President Barron or Keith Masser.

CR66 - that is just bull and you know it man

are you back to your old tricks!!
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I strongly suggest you go read the FSS engagement letter. No tricks, just the facts.



This post was edited on 4/20 12:47 PM by Cruising Route 66
 
Originally posted by WeR0206:

Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by sluggo72:

then why do they ask everyone to vote on the settlements?? Who's interests were FSS representing??? the special tasks force's or PSU's?? If the special task force, then why did PSU pay??
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PSU paid because they were going to get their asses sued by the victims which might have cost the university considerably more than what was possible with an out of court settlement. Would have preferred PSU litigate every case and run the risk of a jury awarding several times the amount PSU was offering to each prospective plaintiff?
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His question was if the SITF was the client of freeh why did "PSU" pay the 8 million for the freeh report instead of members of the SITF? Good job avoiding the question though!

It's a stupid question. Who else was going to pay it? Frazier, Peetz?

Also, the lawsuits PSU settled on were BASED ON THE FREEH REPORT. Who said it was? Do you think maybe grand jury testimony and the conviction of Jerry had something to do with it. Not to mention OAA charges against C/S/S and PSU's non compliance with the Clery Act. This all preceded Freeh. Therefore, before voting on ANY settlements, NCAA sanctions,etc. which were based on the freeh report, ALL trustees should have been given access to ALL freeh report source files so they could be FULLY informed before making a vote.



That NEVER happened and the trustees are STILL not being granted access to both the privileged and non privileged freeh source files. I suggest you reread Joe Odea's letter to the trustees because what you said is just not true.

Keep spinnin away tho...you must be getting quite dizzy these days..

Keep living in a silo and ignoring the facts.
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but fighting each case 1 by 1 , wasnt the strategy used by Ken Frasier in the Vioxx cases?? I wonder why he didnt use that strategy this time?? is it because he was using someone else's money?? Because it didnt matter to him, whereas in the MRK case, his bonus would probably be affected??
 
Originally posted by sluggo72:

but fighting each case 1 by 1 , wasnt the strategy used by Ken Frasier in the Vioxx cases?? Initially yes but when the jury awarded $253M to one the first plaintiffs that was reason to pause and rethink. I wonder why he didnt use that strategy this time?? is it because he was using someone else's money?? Because it didnt matter to him, whereas in the MRK case, his bonus would probably be affected?? Had nothing to do with his bonos.
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This post was edited on 4/20 1:27 PM by Cruising Route 66
 
Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by WeR0206:

Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by sluggo72:

then why do they ask everyone to vote on the settlements?? Who's interests were FSS representing??? the special tasks force's or PSU's?? If the special task force, then why did PSU pay??
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PSU paid because they were going to get their asses sued by the victims which might have cost the university considerably more than what was possible with an out of court settlement. Would have preferred PSU litigate every case and run the risk of a jury awarding several times the amount PSU was offering to each prospective plaintiff?
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His question was if the SITF was the client of freeh why did "PSU" pay the 8 million for the freeh report instead of members of the SITF? Good job avoiding the question though!

It's a stupid question. Who else was going to pay it? Frazier, Peetz?

Also, the lawsuits PSU settled on were BASED ON THE FREEH REPORT. Who said it was? Do you think maybe grand jury testimony and the conviction of Jerry had something to do with it. Not to mention OAA charges against C/S/S and PSU's non compliance with the Clery Act. This all preceded Freeh. Therefore, before voting on ANY settlements, NCAA sanctions,etc. which were based on the freeh report, ALL trustees should have been given access to ALL freeh report source files so they could be FULLY informed before making a vote.



That NEVER happened and the trustees are STILL not being granted access to both the privileged and non privileged freeh source files. I suggest you reread Joe Odea's letter to the trustees because what you said is just not true.

Keep spinnin away tho...you must be getting quite dizzy these days..

Keep living in a silo and ignoring the facts.
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Still avoiding the question I see. You simply can't come up with a good explanation for why the Full BOT can't have access to the FULL FR source files. The PSU BOT commissioned the SITF and paid freeh. The full BOT then relied on the "results" of the FR to pay out millions of dollars in settlements, fines, etc. Therefore, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason the FULL BOT shouldn't have access to both privileged and non privileged FR source docs. It's absurd that a small insular cabal on the BOT has access to ALL the source files while the rest of the BOT is left in the dark. They are ALL trustees.

I'm not sure what rock you've been living under, but every single plaintiff that sued PSU cited the freeh report as justification for PSU's supposed liability to their claims (and I don't blame them, basing lawsuits on the FR was easy money since PSU itself wasn't refuting what the report concluded). That's the main reason why so many of us have been adamant that PSU needs to publicly refute/repudiate the FR b/c people would use it as ammo to sue PSU. Since PSU never refuted it, they got hit with dozens of lawsuits which they happily settled b/c in order to fight them, they'd have to refute the FR.

JS being convicted of crimes has nothing to do with proving PSU's liability for them since C/S/S haven't even had their criminal trials yet. Also, just b/c the OAG charged PSU admins doesn't mean that PSU is automatically civilly liable to pay settlements to JS's victims. Let the victims prove that PSU was civilly liable then settle.

Odea's letter very clearly states that the cabal has no problem granting the full BOT access to the non privileged docs, however he said they do not have the right to see the privileged docs. Nice try though.
 
Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:
FSS acted under the sole direction of the SITF not the BOT's or PSU and it is the SITF that has the discretion for the release of FSS work product information. Accordingly, your letter probably should have been addressed to the SITF members rather than President Barron or Keith Masser.
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This letter says that it was the Board of Trustees that engaged Freeh.

Nice try, lackey.



This post was edited on 4/20 1:38 PM by Aoshiro
 
having read that, FSS was to report anything that they found to be crimminal to the proper LE. Since there havent been any reports to LE that anyone is aware of, does that mean, FSS did not find any thing crimminal in their investigation??
 
Wow - sounds like a version of Orwell's 'Animal Farm' ...

some BOT members are more equal than others. Censorship and lack of information access is alive and well on today's campuses.
 
Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by NICNEM_PSU80:
Dr. Barron and Mr. Masser,


Sorry but FSS was hired to act as counsel, conduct an investigation, and produce a report for the Special Investigative Task Force (mssrs Frazier, Tomalis, Arnelle, Bluford, Dambly, Eckel, Hagan, Hughes, and Peetz ) not the BOT's or PSU. FSS acted under the sole direction of the SITF not the BOT's or PSU and it is the SITF that has the discretion for the release of FSS work product information. Accordingly, your letter probably should have been addressed to the SITF members rather than President Barron or Keith Masser.
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This post was edited on 4/20 11:21 AM by Cruising Route 66
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{recovering from faceplam} The SITF has been disbanded for years now and no longer exists. Upon the SITF's disbandment, ownership of the Freeh Report and all Freeh materials was legally remanded to Penn State. The letter is addressed correctly and appropriately.
 
Originally posted by WeR0206:

Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by WeR0206:

Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by sluggo72:

then why do they ask everyone to vote on the settlements?? Who's interests were FSS representing??? the special tasks force's or PSU's?? If the special task force, then why did PSU pay??
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PSU paid because they were going to get their asses sued by the victims which might have cost the university considerably more than what was possible with an out of court settlement. Would have preferred PSU litigate every case and run the risk of a jury awarding several times the amount PSU was offering to each prospective plaintiff?
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His question was if the SITF was the client of freeh why did "PSU" pay the 8 million for the freeh report instead of members of the SITF? Good job avoiding the question though!

It's a stupid question. Who else was going to pay it? Frazier, Peetz?

Also, the lawsuits PSU settled on were BASED ON THE FREEH REPORT. Who said it was? Do you think maybe grand jury testimony and the conviction of Jerry had something to do with it. Not to mention OAA charges against C/S/S and PSU's non compliance with the Clery Act. This all preceded Freeh. Therefore, before voting on ANY settlements, NCAA sanctions,etc. which were based on the freeh report, ALL trustees should have been given access to ALL freeh report source files so they could be FULLY informed before making a vote.



That NEVER happened and the trustees are STILL not being granted access to both the privileged and non privileged freeh source files. I suggest you reread Joe Odea's letter to the trustees because what you said is just not true.

Keep spinnin away tho...you must be getting quite dizzy these days..

Keep living in a silo and ignoring the facts.
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Still avoiding the question I see. You simply can't come up with a good explanation for why the Full BOT can't have access to the FULL FR source files. You must have a having a reading comprehension problem because ODey couldn't have made it more clear in his letter to the dissident trustees why they only have limited access. The PSU BOT commissioned the SITF and paid freeh. The full BOT then relied on the "results" of the FR to pay out millions of dollars in settlements, fines, etc. Therefore, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason the FULL BOT shouldn't have access to both privileged and non privileged FR source docs. It's absurd that a small insular cabal on the BOT has access to ALL the source files while the rest of the BOT is left in the dark. They are ALL trustees.

I'm not sure what rock you've been living under, but every single plaintiff that sued PSU cited the freeh report as justification for PSU's supposed liability to their claims They did? Wow! Didn't know you worked for Ken Feinberg and Mike Rosen. Fact is that civil actions were filed against PSU immediately on Jerry's conviction which occurred before the Freeh report was ever issued. (and I don't blame them, basing lawsuits on the FR was easy money since PSU itself wasn't refuting what the report concluded). That's the main reason why so many of us have been adamant that PSU needs to publicly refute/repudiate the FR b/c people would use it as ammo to sue PSU. How can you refudiate it when C/S/S have yet to be tried? You want to refudiate the report and then have them found guilty? Since PSU never refuted it, they got hit with dozens of lawsuits which they happily settled b/c in order to fight them, they'd have to refute the FR.

JS being convicted of crimes has nothing to do with proving PSU's liability for them since C/S/S haven't even had their criminal trials yet. MM and JVP's grand jury testimony strongly suggests otherwise. Also, just b/c the OAG charged PSU admins doesn't mean that PSU is automatically civilly liable to pay settlements to JS's victims. Let the victims prove that PSU was civilly liable then settle. Tell that to the Catholic church.

Odea's letter very clearly states that the cabal has no problem granting the full BOT access to the non privileged docs, however he said they do not have the right to see the privileged docs. Nice try though.

But that's not what you said!
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There are no surprises any more. Until otherwise confirmed in a court of law, we are what they say we are.

They trumps We in a Penn State world.

N i t t a n y A m e r i c a
 
Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by WeR0206:

Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by WeR0206:

Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:

Originally posted by sluggo72:

then why do they ask everyone to vote on the settlements?? Who's interests were FSS representing??? the special tasks force's or PSU's?? If the special task force, then why did PSU pay??
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PSU paid because they were going to get their asses sued by the victims which might have cost the university considerably more than what was possible with an out of court settlement. Would have preferred PSU litigate every case and run the risk of a jury awarding several times the amount PSU was offering to each prospective plaintiff?
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His question was if the SITF was the client of freeh why did "PSU" pay the 8 million for the freeh report instead of members of the SITF? Good job avoiding the question though!

It's a stupid question. Who else was going to pay it? Frazier, Peetz?

Also, the lawsuits PSU settled on were BASED ON THE FREEH REPORT. Who said it was? Do you think maybe grand jury testimony and the conviction of Jerry had something to do with it. Not to mention OAA charges against C/S/S and PSU's non compliance with the Clery Act. This all preceded Freeh. Therefore, before voting on ANY settlements, NCAA sanctions,etc. which were based on the freeh report, ALL trustees should have been given access to ALL freeh report source files so they could be FULLY informed before making a vote.



That NEVER happened and the trustees are STILL not being granted access to both the privileged and non privileged freeh source files. I suggest you reread Joe Odea's letter to the trustees because what you said is just not true.

Keep spinnin away tho...you must be getting quite dizzy these days..

Keep living in a silo and ignoring the facts.
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Still avoiding the question I see. You simply can't come up with a good explanation for why the Full BOT can't have access to the FULL FR source files. You must have a having a reading comprehension problem because ODey couldn't have made it more clear in his letter to the dissident trustees why they only have limited access. The PSU BOT commissioned the SITF and paid freeh. The full BOT then relied on the "results" of the FR to pay out millions of dollars in settlements, fines, etc. Therefore, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason the FULL BOT shouldn't have access to both privileged and non privileged FR source docs. It's absurd that a small insular cabal on the BOT has access to ALL the source files while the rest of the BOT is left in the dark. They are ALL trustees.

I'm not sure what rock you've been living under, but every single plaintiff that sued PSU cited the freeh report as justification for PSU's supposed liability to their claims They did? Wow! Didn't know you worked for Ken Feinberg and Mike Rosen. Fact is that civil actions were filed against PSU immediately on Jerry's conviction which occurred before the Freeh report was ever issued. (and I don't blame them, basing lawsuits on the FR was easy money since PSU itself wasn't refuting what the report concluded). That's the main reason why so many of us have been adamant that PSU needs to publicly refute/repudiate the FR b/c people would use it as ammo to sue PSU. How can you refudiate it when C/S/S have yet to be tried? You want to refudiate the report and then have them found guilty? Since PSU never refuted it, they got hit with dozens of lawsuits which they happily settled b/c in order to fight them, they'd have to refute the FR.

JS being convicted of crimes has nothing to do with proving PSU's liability for them since C/S/S haven't even had their criminal trials yet. MM and JVP's grand jury testimony strongly suggests otherwise. Also, just b/c the OAG charged PSU admins doesn't mean that PSU is automatically civilly liable to pay settlements to JS's victims. Let the victims prove that PSU was civilly liable then settle. Tell that to the Catholic church.

Odea's letter very clearly states that the cabal has no problem granting the full BOT access to the non privileged docs, however he said they do not have the right to see the privileged docs. Nice try though.

But that's not what you said!
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Why am I not surprised that Cruising uses Sarah Palin's made up word? ("refudiate")




http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Refudiate
 
it amazes me you know JVP grand jury testimony, because no one else does. The only thing we know is what was read into the record. While who ever read can probably read, how do we know what he said was transcribed properly?? You know dont you?

When you says, and a semi para pharse here, 'it was of a sexual nature. I dont know what you call it'. as others have said,
those 2 sentenced together dont make sense. Now we change 'was it of a sexual nature? I dont know what you call it' makes more sense, and why they found him creditible and why they said he did the right thing. it's only his own BOT that threw him under the bus.

linkage provided.

JVP GJ testimony
 
Funny, the Catholic Church actually paid less per victim than PSU, and unlike PSU they actually had victims they were responsible for. PSU did not.
 
Originally posted by 91Joe95:
Funny, the Catholic Church actually paid less per victim than PSU, and unlike PSU they actually had victims they were responsible for. PSU did not.
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+1


The BoT and Barron are taking a beating on FaceBook.
 
Originally posted by Aoshiro:

Originally posted by Cruising Route 66:
FSS acted under the sole direction of the SITF not the BOT's or PSU and it is the SITF that has the discretion for the release of FSS work product information. Accordingly, your letter probably should have been addressed to the SITF members rather than President Barron or Keith Masser.
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This letter says that it was the Board of Trustees that engaged Freeh.

Nice try, lackey.



This post was edited on 4/20 1:38 PM by Aoshiro
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Better read it more carefully.




This post was edited on 4/20 8:16 PM by Cruising Route 66
 
You really, really have to wonder. I have him on Ignore, but its amazing how often and WHEN Cruising 66 shows up in these debates.

He really has a large incentive to keep pushing this BS false narrative.

So you have to wonder - just what exactly has Cruising 66 gotten himself into? Is he a paid shill, or was he just really "good friends" with Jerry Sandusky? Seems like the people with the most to lose here would be people from or involved with TSM who were actively involved in some kind of illegal activities, or people who utilized the services of TSM.
 
Originally posted by sluggo72:
it amazes me you know JVP grand jury testimony, because no one else does. The only thing we know is what was read into the record. While who ever read can probably read, how do we know what he said was transcribed properly?? You know dont you? God told me the transcription was flawless.

When you says, and a semi para pharse here, 'it was of a sexual nature. I dont know what you call it'. as others have said,
those 2 sentenced together dont make sense. Now we change 'was it of a sexual nature? I dont know what you call it' makes more sense, and why they found him creditible and why they said he did the right thing. it's only his own BOT that threw him under the bus.

JVP was removed from his coaching responsibilities because under the then prevailing media frenzy, he was deemed to be a PR liability to the program and himself, and for his lack of leadership in not following up to see who the boy was and if he was OK. The Board subsequently admitted that they erred in how they handled his removal and apologized for it.



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Lol removal?? = fired , you boys sure know how to spin !!!! There was

A dumpster fire and the BOT threw gas on it and watched it burn!! Started a few more after that as well!!!
 
WHAT is so precious about these documents?

They are HIDING something so damaging they are afraid.........so YES, they are AFRAID of the TRUTH coming out about what really happened............AND sooner or later, all of us hoping sooner, the TRUTH will come out!!!!
 
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I guess CR has me on ignore since I've stomped all over him on Penn Live, and he really can't troll here like he does there.
 
Cruising Route 66 said:
Since you seem to know, why don't you tell us all how much the church paid their victims and how much PSU paid Jerry's. Go ahead we're listening.
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You don't really want me to do that, do you? In case you don't pick up on it, I'm taunting you into saying yes.
 
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