Stopped watching the NFL in 2017 -- looks like the same coming for FBS.

[YeOldeCup]

With the Fields decision, what little competitiveness in FBS is gone. Recruiting becomes inconsequential. Teams to the highest "bidder." Not interested in the same few, well-funded schools dominating the landscape.

I'll watch the service academies, lower divisions, and high school broadcasts going forward.

This is a very sad state for "amateur" athletics.

 

[PearlSUJam]

With the Fields decision, what little competitiveness in FBS is gone. Recruiting becomes inconsequential. Teams to the highest "bidder." Not interested in the same few, well-funded schools dominating the landscape.

I'll watch the service academies, lower divisions, and high school broadcasts going forward.

This is a very sad state for "amateur" athletics.

Rules need to change to say the least.

 

[jim cummings]

Rules need to change to say the least.

These 2 new start-up leagues worry me more than anything.

 

[Nitt1300]

As more CTE studies are completed, football will fade into history. Moms will not let junior play.

 

[NJPSU]

With the Fields decision, what little competitiveness in FBS is gone. Recruiting becomes inconsequential. Teams to the highest "bidder." Not interested in the same few, well-funded schools dominating the landscape.

I'll watch the service academies, lower divisions, and high school broadcasts going forward.

This is a very sad state for "amateur" athletics.

The whole “amateur” thing is a joke. Penn State football generated 100 million dollars last year? The players get a degree and a stipend. It’s not a sustainable model. It feels like this is the first step to the entire thing unraveling.

 

[interrobang]

Yes, football generated 100 million enabling about 700 other student athletes in other sports to have their school paid for.

 

[Art]

Yes, football generated 100 million enabling about 700 other student athletes in other sports to have their school paid for.

Partially paid for in most cases. And why is it that an athlete in another sport is more deserving of that money than any other student?

 

[Lionsfan1000]

It must start with taxing college sports as unrelated business income tax. It is clear that the concept of amateur sports supplementing the college experience is not valid.

College football and basketball are, in a sense, professional league and should be treated as such. Pay the players and tax their scholarships as well.

 

[DingerzForDaze]

As a student, I was free to transfer to any school that would have me. I could do this multiple times during my academic "career" and I didn't need to sit out a year.

Why should athletics be any different? "Paying" them for 4/5 years on a "contract" which they can't get out of seems more "professional" than allowing them to transfer freely.

As to the effect this could have on competitiveness ... this, in and of itself, wouldn't have as much of a detrimental effect if they hadn't gone full professional sport already and shortsightedly sold out for money between the teams and conferences.

These mega-conferences are dumb. Bowls are dumb. I would force every NCAA D1 squad to join a conference ... and each conference can only have 10 teams. Right now that would result in 13 conference champions. You have to play all teams in your conference during the year (shocker!), and the team with the best record is your conference champion (no need for a CCG). 13 conference champs and 3 wildcard squads get into the playoffs.

With so many teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs (and, therefore, at least an outside shot at being national champs), it should lessen the perceived need to go to only a handful of schools to compete.

 

[Art]

It must start with taxing college sports as unrelated business income tax. It is clear that the concept of amateur sports supplementing the college experience is not valid.

College football and basketball are, in a sense, professional league and should be treated as such. Pay the players and tax their scholarships as well.

Since most athletic departments lose money on a consolidated basis, that won't be a problem. Those that turn a surplus can make it disappear in the time in took you to read this post.

 

[Connorpozlee]

As a student, I was free to transfer to any school that would have me. I could do this multiple times during my academic "career" and I didn't need to sit out a year.

Why should athletics be any different? "Paying" them for 4/5 years on a "contract" which they can't get out of seems more "professional" than allowing them to transfer freely.

As to the effect this could have on competitiveness ... this, in and of itself, wouldn't have as much of a detrimental effect if they hadn't gone full professional sport already and shortsightedly sold out for money between the teams and conferences.

These mega-conferences are dumb. Bowls are dumb. I would force every NCAA D1 squad to join a conference ... and each conference can only have 10 teams. Right now that would result in 13 conference champions. You have to play all teams in your conference during the year (shocker!), and the team with the best record is your conference champion (no need for a CCG). 13 conference champs and 3 wildcard squads get into the playoffs.

With so many teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs (and, therefore, at least an outside shot at being national champs), it should lessen the perceived need to go to only a handful of schools to compete.

I think any athlete can transfer to any school at any point he/she chooses. The issue isn’t transferring schools like every other student. It’s transferring schools and playing a sport st the school. There does need to be some degree of control on somebody transferring for the purpose of playing a sport in my opinion.

 

[DingerzForDaze]

I think any athlete can transfer to any school at any point he/she chooses. The issue isn’t transferring schools like every other student. It’s transferring schools and playing a sport st the school. There does need to be some degree of control on somebody transferring for the purpose of playing a sport in my opinion.

Yes, I'm aware it's about playing a sport. I'm saying there should be no difference. If I am free to transfer each year if I'm "just" a student and I don't have to sit out a year as a penalty, it should be the same for sports.

Then again, I also believe coaches shouldn't be able to recruit a prospective student-athlete until that student applies to, and is admitted to, a school based on his academic achievements, like every other student. Instead we have grown men, paid to entice boys to play for them, recruiting kids to play a sport when the kids are 13, not giving much of a darn if the kid can spell his name (unless, of course, it effects eligibility to play a sport).

Today's college football is basically professional football. If it stays that way, it shouldn't have any affiliation with a university.

 

[AWS1022]

The whole “amateur” thing is a joke. Penn State football generated 100 million dollars last year? The players get a degree and a stipend. It’s not a sustainable model. It feels like this is the first step to the entire thing unraveling.

So when it wasn’t generating millions it was okay for the athletes, but now that it’s generating millions it’s not sustainable? The players used to get a degree and no stipend, now they get far, far more than they ever got in the past, but they need more?

 

[AWS1022]

Yes, I'm aware it's about playing a sport. I'm saying there should be no difference. If I am free to transfer each year if I'm "just" a student and I don't have to sit out a year as a penalty, it should be the same for sports.

Then again, I also believe coaches shouldn't be able to recruit a prospective student-athlete until that student applies to, and is admitted to, a school based on his academic achievements, like every other student. Instead we have grown men, paid to entice boys to play for them, recruiting kids to play a sport when the kids are 13, not giving much of a darn if the kid can spell his name (unless, of course, it effects eligibility to play a sport).

Today's college football is basically professional football. If it stays that way, it shouldn't have any affiliation with a university.

But being on a scholarship for a sport makes it different.

 

[danvillenit]

Students transferring is not the same as student athletes transferring. Thousands of students transfer every year without affecting anyone but themselves.

 

[LionDeNittany]

As a student, I was free to transfer to any school that would have me. I could do this multiple times during my academic "career" and I didn't need to sit out a year.

This is basically not true.
When a student transfers there is a major cost.
Although, JC to University... within a state, typically has no cost. But that's true for football as well.

Factually I am all for students being able to transfer. But I am also for four year scholarships and increasing the scholarship limit. Pump it up to 125 and make all scholarships four years and count. Suddenly those three star athletes with good grades look much better.

LdN

 

[AWS1022]

This is basically not true.
When a student transfers there is a major cost.
Although, JC to University... within a state, typically has no cost. But that's true for football as well.

Factually I am all for students being able to transfer. But I am also for four year scholarships and increasing the scholarship limit. Pump it up to 125 and make all scholarships four years and count. Suddenly those three star athletes with good grades look much better.

LdN

And no redshirts.

 

[MJG-90]

Yes, I'm aware it's about playing a sport. I'm saying there should be no difference. If I am free to transfer each year if I'm "just" a student and I don't have to sit out a year as a penalty, it should be the same for sports.

You think it should be okay for school A to pay $100k developing a player for a couple of years only to see him transfer freely to school B for the years he’s ready to contribute on the field?

I’m not saying you’re wrong. But it can’t be the free for all you’re suggesting.

 

[DingerzForDaze]

But being on a scholarship for a sport makes it different.

If you’re on a scholarship for academics, you can still transfer to another college without waiting, and if they want to offer a scholarship to you, they can.

It’s “different,” but that difference doesn’t matter ... or shouldn’t.

 

[DingerzForDaze]

This is basically not true.
When a student transfers there is a major cost.
Although, JC to University... within a state, typically has no cost. But that's true for football as well.

Factually I am all for students being able to transfer. But I am also for four year scholarships and increasing the scholarship limit. Pump it up to 125 and make all scholarships four years and count. Suddenly those three star athletes with good grades look much better.

LdN

What is “basically not true?” I stated, as a student, I could transfer each year and not have to sit out my studies ... is that not true?

Why are we increasing roster size and scholarships for each team? So the top revenue schools can horde even more players? I’d much rather you spread out the competitiveness.

 

[LionDeNittany]

What is “basically not true?” I stated, as a student, I could transfer each year and not have to sit out my studies ... is that not true?

Why are we increasing roster size and scholarships for each team? So the top revenue schools can horde even more players? I’d much rather you spread out the competitiveness.

You cant horde as each player is a four year scholarship.

Now you cannot run guys off each year and take transfers.

Regarding the first part, there is a penalty for transferring. Especially once you begin higher level classes.

LdN

 

[DingerzForDaze]

You think it should be okay for school A to pay $100k developing a player for a couple of years only to see him transfer freely to school B for the years he’s ready to contribute on the field?

I’m not saying you’re wrong. But it can’t be the free for all you’re suggesting.

Why not? You coach players, you play players. Some will leave, and some will come in.

Yes, my suggestions would change the landscape of college football, and I’m more than OK with that.

 

[psuro]

With the Fields decision, what little competitiveness in FBS is gone. Recruiting becomes inconsequential. Teams to the highest "bidder." Not interested in the same few, well-funded schools dominating the landscape.

I'll watch the service academies, lower divisions, and high school broadcasts going forward.

This is a very sad state for "amateur" athletics.

Thanks for letting us know your plans. We will all adjust our own plans accordingly.

 

[AWS1022]

If you’re on a scholarship for academics, you can still transfer to another college without waiting, and if they want to offer a scholarship to you, they can.

It’s “different,” but that difference doesn’t matter ... or shouldn’t.

Just like a poster earlier said, there is a lot of development and investment made into athletes....not so much with academic scholarships. So I spend two years developing, coaching and teaching a kid and he up and leaves so someone else can benefit?

 

[DingerzForDaze]

You cant horde as each player is a four year scholarship.

Now you cannot run guys off each year and take transfers.

Regarding the first part, there is a penalty for transferring. Especially once you begin higher level classes.

LdN

When I said "free," it was closer to "allowed, without imposed penalty." Of course there's some kind of cost that runs with it, just as there would be a potential cost that runs with transferring to a new football program, even if you didn't have to sit out a year (learning a new system, impressing new coaches/teammates, etc.). And, yes, there are often limits as to the transferability of credits (and minimum credits needed at a particular university/program). I actually went through the transfer process in college, as a student, and an athlete.

 

[DingerzForDaze]

Just like a poster earlier said, there is a lot of development and investment made into athletes....not so much with academic scholarships. So I spend two years developing, coaching and teaching a kid and he up and leaves so someone else can benefit?

If your original comment were true, that would be one of the saddest commentaries regarding the university systems I've ever read. And even more reason to change the landscape.

 

[psuro]

Just like a poster earlier said, there is a lot of development and investment made into athletes....not so much with academic scholarships. So I spend two years developing, coaching and teaching a kid and he up and leaves so someone else can benefit?

Dont people leave jobs after gaining some experience then move on to other jobs fir more pay or any other reason?

 

[AWS1022]

Dont people leave jobs after gaining some experience then move on to other jobs fir more pay or any other reason?

They’re not employees....it’s not a job. Posters on here bitch and complain about young people nowadays being selfish and snowflakes, yet some want to give them even more reason to be all about themselves. No reason to work harder and prove yourself, just transfer until you find a place you can play. No wonder there are so many snowflakes.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Yes, I'm aware it's about playing a sport. I'm saying there should be no difference. If I am free to transfer each year if I'm "just" a student and I don't have to sit out a year as a penalty, it should be the same for sports.

Then again, I also believe coaches shouldn't be able to recruit a prospective student-athlete until that student applies to, and is admitted to, a school based on his academic achievements, like every other student. Instead we have grown men, paid to entice boys to play for them, recruiting kids to play a sport when the kids are 13, not giving much of a darn if the kid can spell his name (unless, of course, it effects eligibility to play a sport).

Today's college football is basically professional football. If it stays that way, it shouldn't have any affiliation with a university.

But these athletes are not just students. If a player really wants to transfer to another school I don’t see sitting out a season as an unfair consequence. Again, they are free to go wherever they want just like you and I were. They just have to wait a year (and quite possibly have to subject themselves to another year of free higher education) to continue competing.

 

[AWS1022]

But these athletes are not just students. If a player really wants to transfer to another school I don’t see sitting out a season as an unfair consequence. Again, they are free to go wherever they want just like you and I were. They just have to wait a year (and quite possibly have to subject themselves to another year of free higher education) to continue competing.

They even have this rule in high school, so they certainly should have it in college where scholarships are involved.

 

[MJG-90]

Where does the other $80 million (actually, $150 million ) go?

I’ll start list from the top of my head. I have to head out or I might take the time to look up everything.

1. Coaches’ salaries
2. Facilities (rent, maintenance)
3. Admin salaries
4.
5.
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8.
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[MJG-90]

Why not? You coach players, you play players. Some will leave, and some will come in.

Without any rules at all, things would become a mess. Schools would poach the top players from lesser programs. Again, I’m not saying you are completely wrong. I just think there has to be some way to keep the field as level as possible.

 

[Crusher1950]

College football will ruin college football it has started 5 years ago

 

[delcoLion]

With the Fields decision, what little competitiveness in FBS is gone. Recruiting becomes inconsequential. Teams to the highest "bidder." Not interested in the same few, well-funded schools dominating the landscape.

I'll watch the service academies, lower divisions, and high school broadcasts going forward.

This is a very sad state for "amateur" athletics.

You’ll get over it. College football and hoops has never been about amateurs as corruption has been a feature, rather than a bug, for 100 years.

Fact is, there should be no college sports. It will never happen but it appears to me that it’s a waste of scarce resources.

 

[cjrugger]

They’re not employees....it’s not a job. Posters on here bitch and complain about young people nowadays being selfish and snowflakes, yet some want to give them even more reason to be all about themselves. No reason to work harder and prove yourself, just transfer until you find a place you can play. No wonder there are so many snowflakes.

They're performing a skill that generates revenue for the school, and they are compensated for their action with money and scholarship. Sounds a hell of a lot like an employee to me

 

[cjrugger]

Just like a poster earlier said, there is a lot of development and investment made into athletes....not so much with academic scholarships. So I spend two years developing, coaching and teaching a kid and he up and leaves so someone else can benefit?

So you think they should continue to be considered indentured servants?

 

[Norm Petersin]

No worries, Emmert is at the helm.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Thanks for letting us know your plans. We will all adjust our own plans accordingly.

Yet you felt compelled to comment. Says far more about you than me.

 

[YeOldeCup]

You’ll get over it. College football and hoops has never been about amateurs as corruption has been a feature, rather than a bug, for 100 years.

Fact is, there should be no college sports. It will never happen but it appears to me that it’s a waste of scarce resources.

I don't miss the NFL. I won't miss this train wreck either. There are countless other things to be doing.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I don't miss the NFL. I won't miss this train wreck either. There are countless other things to be doing.

Such as...... commenting on message boards that discuss college football?