Stopped watching the NFL in 2017 -- looks like the same coming for FBS.
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Are you dense? I've been here far longer than you and have greatly enjoyed college football my entire life. This (transfer portal) changes everything.
What we have here is a failure to communicate. These athletes are not just students? I don't care. If a student takes on extracurriculars (sports or otherwise), that shouldn't determine their ability to transfer, or not transfer. It shouldn't impose a penalty on them for transferring. Losing a year of eligibility is a penalty.
I definitely do have a problem with the current state of things, where there's supposed to be a penalty for transferring, but now certain people can get around it for ridiculous reasons, but others are stuck subject to that penalty. That is the worst of both worlds.
Realign the conferences. Make kids gain admittance based on their own initiative and academic merit. Let the kids apply to transfer based on academic merit alone, irrespective of athletic competition/performance.
Make amateur athletics amateur again. Or, spin these programs off into stand alone semi-pro organizations.
Again, they can transfer just like you or I could have. They could leave Penn State and go to Lock Haven if they want. But they are getting something you (I am assuming) or I did not have and that is an athletic scholarship. They can forfeit that and go wherever they want. If they want to continue to play their sport they have certain consequences that go along with it. I’m OK with that, though the system they have going now is absurd.
As an aside, if I have an academic scholarship at Penn State and transfer to Oklahoma does that scholarship transfer with me?
If Oklahoma wants to give you an academic scholarship as well, they may. There is no rule that they must wait one year to give you an academic scholarship
I am all for giving football players or basketball players the option of being students who receive a scholarship or
University employees with a salary equivalent to the value of the scholarship. Would help stop the charade.
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Meh. Not worried. I don’t have enough time for all my hobbies. Losing interest in watching football won’t be such a bad thing for me. But yes, it’s happening. And the over-availability of options and the dilution of our personal connection to the teams and players ain’t helping.
And I'm saying that there shouldn't be those "certain consequences that go along with it."
I already covered this in another post but, if I'm at a university "just" as a student, I can get a scholarship/grant to go there based on academics. If that scholarship/grant is through the school, I can still transfer to another school and continue my studies without having to sit out a year. I can even be given a scholarship/grant by my new institution.
Things shouldn't be different just because I chose to play a sport, or because my scholarship is of the athletic variety.
They don’t have to play, yet choose to play...in fact, they hope and pray to get a scholarship. That’s not quite the same as indentured servants. They should play where they commit to play and if they want to go somewhere else, there should be some kind of cost to that (sitting out a year). They have that rule in high school and high school sports don’t generate multi millions. It’s about keeping some order.
Some don’t perform (not good enough, get injured, etc) yet they still get the scholarship...so not really like an employee.
If the NFL created a minor league the issues would go away. Basketball is also messed up. The NBA, which I normally don't like, has to its credit actually been trying to build a minor league system.
I still can't believe that you think there isn't a lot of development and investment into educating the top students (those who receive merit-based assistance, if such grants are given), at a UNIVERSITY, which exists to educate ... but football programs put a lot of investment and development into football players.
That would definitely be a culture problem, at whichever university this was true. A HUGE culture problem.
I guess you've never heard of processing
They do have to play actually. And no, they shouldn't have to pay a cost to change their mind just like the coaches can change their mind whenever they like.
If coaches can't figure out how to handle the new world, the employment market will find some new people to pay 2-7M per year to do so
My daughter got a bunch of academic scholarships and she went to class like everyone else. Her development was mostly on her, just like every other student. Those students are not receiving the one on one coaching and training that athletes are and it’s not even close.
Coaches and players are different. I guess children should be able to do whatever they want because their parents can....it’s a different situation just like coaches and players are different. If coaches leave they usually have to pay to do so....what are you proposing the athletes pay? Do they have to pay their tuition money back?
Great analogy. Did you recruit your children to join your family? Did they sign a letter of intent to join your family? The relationship between college coach and college player is much different than the relationship between parent and child, in distinguishable ways relevant to this subject matter.
If coaches leave, and they have to pay to do so, it's because the parties negotiated this additional term into their contract, in exchange for other consideration (higher pay, longer term of service, etc.). So, perhaps, you want to give the student-athlete additional compensation in exchange for restrictions on his right to transfer without penalty?
Yes, the parent/child relationship is different just like the coach/player relationship is different. That’s my point. And the athlete knows when he accepts the scholarship that he can’t transfer without sitting out a year...so he enters into it willingly. And high school players can’t transfer without sitting out a year, so what is their compensation? This is not a money thing, this is to keep some sort of control on a situation that would get completely out of hand....just like in high school.
Because the rule is in place for the same reason, so it’s not irrelevant. These kids know the rules from the time they enter high school, so they enter into it at the college level with their eyes wide open.
First, the situations are distinguishable in meaningful ways.
Second, the imposition of a bad rule in one circumstance should not demand the imposition of the same bad rule in other circumstances.
Dude, that's what we're discussing.
I'm saying it's a bad rule. You're saying it's a good rule. Part of your "evidence/support" is that they also have it in high school. And I'm saying it's irrelevant that they have it in high school because that's not instructive as to whether or not it's a good rule. And, regardless, high school and college are different. Additionally, your commentary that they know the rule from the start, again, doesn't mean that should be the rule.
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The reality is p5 football scholarships are 1 year contracts with a mutual option for the player and the team/school. If either party doesn't want to renew the contract, they go their separate ways. So no, a player leaving wouldn't owe any buyout just as the school doesnt write a check to the kids who are processed for their remaining years of tuition. And just as the team doesn't need to wait a year to fill the scholarship, the player shouldn't have to wait a year to play
So if there’s no money involved, why do you think they have it in high school? Likely the same reason they have it in college.
The school has to have a reason to not renew the scholarship and if they do, the athlete can appeal it. Also, schools can give multi-year scholarships. You guys pushing for free transfer rules have no idea what that would open up.
Appeal it where?
Sorry but 'I'm afraid of change' or 'it's how we've always done it' isn't a good enough reason for me
That would open up the ability to go wherever you wanted.
Combined with the necessity of having to apply to a school and gain admittance based on your academic record, without contact with coaches, we’d treat them like student-athletes, rather than athletes who have to go to school.
But sometimes how it’s always been done is done that way for a reason. Freedom to transfer will be a nightmare.
I do find it odd that there seems to be different standards for some transfers than others. This kid (as another poster pointed out in another thread) doesn’t want to compete to the point where he had to manufacture some feigned victim card to play. This is not to suggest that he wasn’t exposed to some racially tinged language, but the kid is from GA, so I seriously doubt that was the first time he was exposed to bigotry.
Bottom line is the whole situation is so contrived that I can’t help but root against him now. Karma can be a bitch, so his lack of competitive drive and the ease with which he will obtain his starting role could ultimately bite him in the ass.
Bottom line is the whole situation is so contrived that I can’t help but root against him now. Karma can be a bitch, so his lack of competitive drive and the ease with which he will obtain his starting role could ultimately bite him in the ass.
Nah, it will be fine. And if coaches don't want to be paid millions to deal with it they can find another line of work.
What happened to your 'they can appeal' statement?
That’s what it says in the NCAA rules:
“If a school plans to reduce or not renew a student-athlete’s aid, the school must provide the student-athlete an opportunity to appeal.”
College football players get free tuition, tutoring, clothes, food, 1st class accommodations, travel, gifts, coaching, and a $5k annual stipend. I'd hardly call them indentured servants.
You left out the next sentence-
If a school plans to reduce or not renew a student-athlete’s aid, the school must notify the student-athlete in writing by July 1 and provide an opportunity to appeal. In most cases, coaches decide who receives a scholarship, the scholarship amount and whether it will be renewed.
And I can't remember any player ever having an appeal. If the coach doesn't want you, you don't want to be ther
