Super 32 Thread
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Zain would like to have a word with you.
Yes, but Spyker taught him to use it only when losing late.Spyker taught that Padawan well!
So Spyker must have also taught Busiello to think OUTSIDE THE BOX! THAT must be how good ol’ Spyker is building the DYNASTY!
Man I love that Jesse Vasquez! Only a sophomore and gave Joey Silva everything he could handle. Was at 113 last year and is now at 132 and looks big. Beat Chlebove and Joshua Saunders to make the finals. California has a bunch of young studs. Isaac Salas, Richard Figueroa, Antonio Lorenzo. And they are all fun to watch. Crookham beat Salas 1-0 in a very good match. I thought Salas was better from neutral but Crookham rode the piss out of him.
But leg laces swallow
Honestly! Leg laces! About as ridiculous as Capri Pants on men. Get the eff out of here with that crap
Don't wanna get teched? Don't cross your legs.
Gut wrenches take more technique, grit, and power than any turn in folkstyle. That's an "I own you" turn.
Uh, have you ever seen Zain turn someone? That is an I own you move.
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Therein lies my problem with freestyle. It's not about pinning.
Also, this is another pretty good "I own you" turn:
We are the only country that puts any stock into "control".
We don't use the Metric system, either, and that's absolutely ridiculous.
We don't use the Metric system, either, and that's absolutely ridiculous.
Busiello looked solid. Folk-style definitely suits him. Congrats on your 6th Super 32 title.....wow. Teske did well to come through and get 4th. He definitely gives the effort.
When I wrestled (late 80s) there was no greater insult than to be called a fish, and it was tossed around all the time. I never hear it on Twitter, boards, etc. Of course, that could be because there are far fewer fish in D1 than there were in Long Island high schools.Well, someone did kind of resemble a big fish.
Spyker does the work of 4 or 5 identities.So Spyker must have also taught Busiello to think OUTSIDE THE BOX! THAT must be how good ol’ Spyker is building the DYNASTY!
I think the rest of the world should adopt the English system.
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It's an old debate, but to me, control is something just about anyone can instinctively see and understand without knowing much, if anything about the rules. Contrast that with any number of 4-point moves that could easily have been scored to either wrestler in FS (notably the Taylor vs. Ruth match).
As a fan only, FS has grown on me over the years, but it's still no where near as satisfying as folk to me, and it never will be.
As a fan only, FS has grown on me over the years, but it's still no where near as satisfying as folk to me, and it never will be.
Some CA news that may be of interest:
No CA wrestler brought home a Super 32 title, but 4 came just short as runner-ups.
106 – Richard Figueroa (Fr., Selma): 2nd Place
The freshman phenom took a loss to another highly touted frosh--Iowa hammer Cullan Shriever. Both of these guys should be really good on the high school level. FYI, Richard is the younger sibling of Gracie Figueroa--she's a multiple CA state champ and has made the Cadet and Junior world teams (oh, and she's the #1 P4P girl wrestler in the country).
132 – Jesse Vasquez (So., St. John Bosco): 2nd Place
The CA State champ is up all the way to 132 from 113. He won a loaded state bracket last year that featured Nico Aguilar and Matt Olguin and is training out of the same school that produced the Valencias and Pico. He took out Chlebove 5-1 in the quarters, but lost to #1 Silva in the finals 3-2. Not bad for the sophomore.
138 – Jaden Abas (Jr., Rancho Bernardo): 2nd Place
I believe he's the son of 3x NCAA finalist Gerry Abas and nephew of 3x NCAA Champ Stephen Abas. The CA state has eluded him so far as he's taken two losses to Justin Mejia at the state tournament the previous two years. He stuck Virginia Tech-commit and St. Paris Graham hammer Mitch Moore in the semis, but would lose to Anderson of Bethlehem Catholic in the finals.
152 – Joshua Kim (Sr., Santiago): 2nd Place
The senior and Harvard commit was a state runner-up last year to Quentin Hovis--who I believe was rated as the #2 52lber in the country last year. He came up short against junior Brevin Balmeceda in the Super 32 finals.
The former 3 should all be large targets for every D1 coach. I wouldn't be surprised to see Vasquez end up at ASU. It would also be fitting to see Abas as the face of the re-instated Fresno State program, where his dad and uncle are the most-storied wrestlers of the program's history.
No CA wrestler brought home a Super 32 title, but 4 came just short as runner-ups.
106 – Richard Figueroa (Fr., Selma): 2nd Place
The freshman phenom took a loss to another highly touted frosh--Iowa hammer Cullan Shriever. Both of these guys should be really good on the high school level. FYI, Richard is the younger sibling of Gracie Figueroa--she's a multiple CA state champ and has made the Cadet and Junior world teams (oh, and she's the #1 P4P girl wrestler in the country).
132 – Jesse Vasquez (So., St. John Bosco): 2nd Place
The CA State champ is up all the way to 132 from 113. He won a loaded state bracket last year that featured Nico Aguilar and Matt Olguin and is training out of the same school that produced the Valencias and Pico. He took out Chlebove 5-1 in the quarters, but lost to #1 Silva in the finals 3-2. Not bad for the sophomore.
138 – Jaden Abas (Jr., Rancho Bernardo): 2nd Place
I believe he's the son of 3x NCAA finalist Gerry Abas and nephew of 3x NCAA Champ Stephen Abas. The CA state has eluded him so far as he's taken two losses to Justin Mejia at the state tournament the previous two years. He stuck Virginia Tech-commit and St. Paris Graham hammer Mitch Moore in the semis, but would lose to Anderson of Bethlehem Catholic in the finals.
152 – Joshua Kim (Sr., Santiago): 2nd Place
The senior and Harvard commit was a state runner-up last year to Quentin Hovis--who I believe was rated as the #2 52lber in the country last year. He came up short against junior Brevin Balmeceda in the Super 32 finals.
The former 3 should all be large targets for every D1 coach. I wouldn't be surprised to see Vasquez end up at ASU. It would also be fitting to see Abas as the face of the re-instated Fresno State program, where his dad and uncle are the most-storied wrestlers of the program's history.
I prefer folk too but one thing I prefer from free is the push-out rule. It forces action.
? - how would you folks handle the pushout rule on the mat? No pushout rule from there? just curious
i just want a drink. Dont care the shape, the size, the color, the name. If it takes 2 or 3 to get me where Im going that is fine.
heck some of these new craft beers only take one or your running afoul of johnny law and that is in a 12oz glass. $10, no bloat, decent buzz and still get 20-30 minutes socializing.
No need for a pushout when they are on the mat. Just get the refs to enforce the rules as they are, which they seldom do.
Quick guide to the metric system: double it and add 30.
Application: go to a bar in Canuckistan aka the 51st state and ask for a pitcher of beer. Double + 30 = 32 metric pitchers of beer!
I can't get off my soapbox just yet:
The whole "Control vs. Technique" dichotomy is nonsense anyway.
Pure technique on the mat has a different name (Gymnastics). If you can't control your opponent, you can't wrestle. Of course, Mssr Retherford is exhibit a) in how to use technique to control your opponent.
The whole "Control vs. Technique" dichotomy is nonsense anyway.
Pure technique on the mat has a different name (Gymnastics). If you can't control your opponent, you can't wrestle. Of course, Mssr Retherford is exhibit a) in how to use technique to control your opponent.
I heard the announcers say during one of Vasquez’s matches that he transferred to Santiago HS from St John Bosco. Santiago is also where Joshua Kim attends. Not sure if him leaving John Bosco will effect him possibly ending up at ASU.
How about awarding one point to whoever is in control when they go out? I think other types of wrestling emphasize the unquestioned importance of the circle to their benefit (Freestyle to Sumo). Folkstyle just says oops let’s try again, unless you have an intuitive ref that subjectively suspects an attempt to stall.
More importantly it would perhaps help to increase continuous match action by: 1) cutting down on wrestling the edge of the mat from all positions which seems to have developed into an art form for some and 2) reducing the number of action stoppages - there seem to be enough of those from stalemates, injury timeouts, coaching challenges, breaks, etc.
Just a thought.
I wouldn't be in favor of this. I was at a preseason tournament on Sunday afternoon. On situations where both guys were on their feet, my take would be that only 1/3 to 1/4 of the time where the two guys went OOB would it have been possible to determine who had control. And even in those situations, a significant subset were situations where control wasn't established until after the wrestlers were OOB. If you examine it from times where the wrestlers were on the mat, I don't see any reason that a guy on top should be awarded a point if they go OOB. In addition, there are a number of situations where a reversal or an escape is so close, but is not fully established until they are OOB, and thus the point would still be awarded to the top wrestler, even if the bottom wrestler was the one pushing the action.
Not to mention that there are plenty of times that the top man pulls the bottom man OOB to get a restart. That is supposed to be stalling on the top guy, but that is almost never called. Now you would reward a point to the top man for stalling.
Chris Perry would've beaten Matt Brown 10-1 instead of 2-1 if that were the rule.
I'm only considering his 30-sec OT stall-out rides.
You're correct. It appears Vasquez transferred this past summer from SJB to Santiago.
I went and rewatched quite a few matches and the kid I’m most impressed by is Patrick Kennedy. He is only a sophomore and is from the same school as Brady Berge. Had a great tournament where he beat Soehnlen pretty solidly in the quarters, Hidlay in a great match in the semis, and then he pretty much took apart Foca in the finals. I knew he was good as I watched the match where he almost beat Wittlake earlier this year but this weekend he looked incredible. Hand fights like a top college kid, super heavy hands, solid defense and go behinds, and seems to have picked up a really nice ankle pick/low level attack to his left side. Can’t say enough about his hand fighting especially since he is only a sophomore. Pretty incredible talent
