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The hyperbole has been going on for five or six years now. Goodale seems like he saw Rex Ryan coaching the Jets and making all sorts of bold predictions that never came to be and thought it was a good business model. Maybe he forgot how it ended for Rex. Next year is going to be a wake up call. Rutgers has NS coming back and two guys with huge injury questions (if Ashnault gets the extra year). They lose the rest of the rest of their ranked wrestlers. It could get really ugly.
Hes moved the team into the tier 2 competitive level by pulling mostly local Jersey talent into the program. But theres not a ton of depth and more importantly, not much to show for prime out of state recruits. If Rutgers wants to take the next step, I dont see Goodale as the guy leading them and bringing in top talent outside NJ. I could be wrong, just an opinion
Im not that high on Goodale myself but do concede hes moved the program forward quite a bit
I dislike just about everything about Rutgers, but aren't you selling them a bit short here? What constitutes "really ugly" for them? Next year they return two top 5 caliber wrestlers in Suriano and Ashnault, a possible AA threat in Gravina, and both Van Brills (John is pretty good). For them that's not any uglier than other years IMHO.
I think you guys are reading into it. Some guys need a break and some need to change it up a bit. I don't think he is letting the guys run wild, he is just not being rigid. And yes, Rutgers has come a long way since Gooddale got there. Maybe he cannot take them to the top, but how many people can?
I've watched and been a fan of Goodale's since he wrestled in High School and also believe that he has
done a good job at improving the quality of Rutgers wrestling and expanding their fan base. But lost respect for him and their program when they wrestled the Lions this year as they seemed to be saying that we know we can't beat you but we can beat you up. I lost all respect for Goodale when he didn't stop the Deluca/Retherford match to calm his wrestler down and make him focus on wrestling. His lack of action in that regard makes me believe that it was planned he was pleased with the performance. It is a sad testimony that I think will turn off quality recruits who love the SPORT!
We'll see. Ashnault is coming back from the same injury/surgery as the Altons, so he is a big question mark. The fact that he was not able to come back or go full speed with guys smaller than him this year is not encouraging - especially when he was projected to come back this season. Gravina has reinjured his shoulder again this year - for the ?th time. He is doing serious long-term damage to his shoulder each additional time he does so. Will he really be back next year and risk further damage? Or does reason win out? I like Gravina as a wrestler, but every time he re-dislocates his shoulder, I cringe. JVB is ranked 18th this year. Are points at B1Gs and Nationals and wins over top quality wrestlers expected from him? If Ashnault and Gravina don't wrestle next year, which is not out of the realm of possibility, it will be ugly. If they do, Rutgers will most likely be stuck in the 15-20 range again. They are losing a lot of their effective wrestlers to graduation/eligibility.
I agree that Goodale has vastly improved the Rutgers program. When he got there it was a complete dumpster fire. Now they can put quality wrestlers out at just about every weight class and challenge most teams. By quality I mean top 30 wrestlers. I have my doubts that Goodale is the answer to making them a top 5 to 10 team. We will find out, there is a lot of talent coming in New Jersey based upon the Intermat high school rankings.
Not to belabor the point, but it was pointed out earlier that Dresser went to VT at the same time that Goodale went to Rutgers. Both programs were close to being dropped. Compare the results - with Goodale having a better talent pool instate to draw from - and there is no comparison. The uptick at Rutgers coincided with the arrival of Donny Pritzlaff. Coincidence? I think not.
If it is indeed staph and Suriano does not pass the skin check to participate in B1Gs, he will still be able to weigh in, mff out of the tournament and still be eligible to receive an at-large bid for the national tournament.
9.1.8 Individuals failing medical examinations/skin checks at national qualifying events may be allowed to weigh in and then be listed on the bracket as a medical forfeit. Rationale: This allows individuals that fail medical examinations to still have the opportunity to be selected as an at-large bid for the NCAA Championships.
9.1.8 Individuals failing medical examinations/skin checks at national qualifying events may be allowed to weigh in and then be listed on the bracket as a medical forfeit. Rationale: This allows individuals that fail medical examinations to still have the opportunity to be selected as an at-large bid for the NCAA Championships.
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The latest news release out of NJ.com indicates that Rutgers has petitioned the Big 10 Conference to allow them to change their name to Runtgers. According to the petition, "it has become apparent that our University is exhibiting the classic symptoms of 'Short Man Syndrome' which is a form of inferiority complex in which the person or entity attempts to overcompensate for their perceived shortcomings". Based on the recommendation of therapists who specialize in the treatment of this syndrome, the road to recovery begins by acknowledging the problem. Therefore, by formally changing their name to Runtgers, the University is openly admitting their inferiority, paving the way for meaningful growth, with the hope that they may some day measure up to their other Big 10 members. In an unrelated story, Runtger's new 125 pound wrestler "Little Nicky Suriano" is on a weight gaining binge and hopes to wrestle in the 157 pound weight class at the NCAA tournament this year.
Love the handle, except that creating an account to respond in this way probably means you do have a horse in this race.....
Good point, but there was NOBODY predicting wins over Oklahoma, Virginia, North Carolina and Wisconsin either.
OU has their worst dual team in 75 years, and nobody predicted a win?
Truth is that am a native PA guy living in Ohio now. I root for PSU and OSU. I have never been to Rutgers. I just think the guy has done a great job. Look at the current Ohio U, Kent State and Pitt programs now and imagine Rutgers 10 x worse before Goodale got there. How long would it take to get the programs at OU, Kent State and Pitt on Rutgers current level? Rome wasn't build in a day but it was stone by stone.......
When Goodale took over Rutgers did anybody EVER see them beating Oklahoma? Programs with different histories heading in two different directions and that is the point I am making. He had no historical foundation to build on, yet has the program moving in the right direction.
Well, can we count out PD2 as the new poster?
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Sonebody get Jason to the zombie makeup artist, stat.
Really? Those were all teams ranked behind Rutgers this year. Nobody predicted those wins except everyone (ok, maybe not Wisconsin). Only Wisconsin among those 4 schools wound up in the top 25. Rutgers lost to *every* ranked team they wrestled this year with the exceptions of Northwestern and Wisconsin, including one ranked below them.
It took Goodale 9 seasons to produce his first AA. In his first recruiting class, he had the ## 2, 17 and 19 wrestlers overall. Those 3 garnered exactly ZERO AA finishes.They are still looked in the 15-20 range in "good" years and fall well into the 30s in off years. He took the top wrestler in NJ HS history and has gotten him to the finals zero times. There has been no sustained success. He's had one good season since he took over. If the Rutgers fanbase were not so satisfied with mediocrity, Goodale would have been gone a long time ago.
Facts matter. Publicity spin doesn't have to have any factual basis.
Is it safe to say you didn't write this article? It paints a better picture than you for sure.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...ers-wrestling-became-national-force/80002990/
First, it's written by Ryan Dunleavy, who showed himself to be an absolute hack and Goodale shill during the Suriano saga last summer. Second, what is factually incorrect about what I wrote? Those are facts, not spin. When you stick to facts, things don't look as rosy. The one thing that has been "great" is the increase in attendance. But much of that is due to spinning about how fantastic the team is - when it really isn't. Third, if Goodale has done a "great" job at Rutgers, do you have any room for characterizing what Dresser did at VT (which is about as accurate comparison as could be, probably better than one you could make up)? Dresser did the best job in the history of any sport in the history of the world? Because he did a LOT better than did Goodale. A LOT.
I'll let you ponder this, a quote from Goodale in the article which shows his approach -
“Our biggest thing right away was we are going to create such a buzz that whether they like it or not they are going to start believing in it,” Goodale said. “So you’ve got this class. Now there is expectation. All of a sudden it’s real. That was the first monumental thing that happened.”
Oh, it's in relation to his first recruiting class. Remember? No. 4 recruiting class in the country? ## 2, 17 and 19 guys overall? The one that garnered ZERO AA finishes?
He is good at "buzz". It's worked with the fan base. Multiple national champs in the room (from 2016, iirc); saying for five or six years that they "feel" they are a top ten team; blah, blah, blah. Actual results that measure up to the "buzz"? Not so much. "All of the sudden it's real"? Nope. You got ZERO AAs from that class.
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Or a whole stable of scarlet colored horses in this race?
None that finish above 6th though.
Rutgers in the Big 10 is like going from horse racing at Penn National to Saratoga. A lot better competition ...
I'll put it to you this way - the signature win in Rutgers program history was over 7 years ago and hasn't been matched since. If that's the direction you like your team to go, good on you. In 2015-16, they had their best dual team, qualified 10 wrestlers for nationals and wound up 15th.
This was their year. With Suriano joining the ranks, but that was all lost with Ashnault hurt. Next year they lose most of their team.
Nowhere compared to PSU, but for Rutgers it would have been a very good season. Instead of taking 7th at a weight class you take 1st or 2nd. That is a big boost in team points. It also would have helped a ton at NCAAs where he could have been a finalist now they will be lucky to get a win or two.
With ashnault they would be too 10 though right
Is a suriano win alone enough to put them top 10?
Isn't picking on Rutgers like kicking a helpless dog? I don't understand the fascination with this topic other than the Suriano angle and even that is getting old.
Perhaps like a helpless dog that likes to throw punches....but that's fair, point taken.
