Surprise Decision???

[Brian LB-U]

Remember that time Cael sat two returning AA's (who were totally not ducking Delgado and Streibler) and a ready to go freshman in Nolf and the team finished 6th which basically ceded a whole season? Yea, me neither

Oh, we remember it well. It paid dividends last March when both wrestlers helped lead Cael's Nittany Lions to yet another National Title without surrendering a single takedown to their championship finals opponents.

 

[Real-Lion]

…and Sam Brooks ducks Jackson in Bloomington.

Something MUST be done about this....They are just trying to protect seeds....GOTTA MAKE A RULE ABOUT THIS FOR SURE !!!! IT'S WAYY OUT OF HAND AND NOT FAIR TO OTHER GUYS WHO WRESTLE EVERYONE....

 

[nitlion6]

Remember that time Cael sat two returning AA's (who were totally not ducking Delgado and Streibler) and a ready to go freshman in Nolf and the team finished 6th which basically ceded a whole season? Yea, me neither

I have to tell you - that post is really weak. Generally your pride would not have let you hit the "post reply" button.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

PD3 suprisingly didn't wrestle against Pitt... If you're cold, you can warm up by this dumpster fire:
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/iowa-state-vs-pitt.226336/

 

[El-Jefe]

I simply cannot believe all the wrestlers Kyle Snyder has ducked the past 2 years. SMH.

 

[El-Jefe]

PD3 suprisingly didn't wrestle against Pitt... If you're cold, you can warm up by this dumpster fire:
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/iowa-state-vs-pitt.226336/

Unappreciated note on p. 1 of that thread: apparently Racciato wrestled.

I'm more than a little surprised the university allowed him to wear the school's uniform.

 

[Azchief32]

Oh, we remember it well. It paid dividends last March when both wrestlers helped lead Cael's Nittany Lions to yet another National Title without surrendering a single takedown to their championship finals opponents.

At least somebody who is honest. Two proven AA's and a kid like Nolf that could have been brought out of RS after the Scuffle and AA. Instead, sit them all and load up for a sure thing. Didn't say it wasn't smart. That Nico's nemesis in Delgado was gone and it gave Zain a year off to build up to 149 instead of having to face Streibler at 141 his true sophomore year...sounds like some smart "strategery" to me. But then Cael was just following in Tan Tom's footsteps.

 

[KidNittany]

At least somebody who is honest. Two proven AA's and a kid like Nolf that could have been brought out of RS after the Scuffle and AA. Instead, sit them all and load up for a sure thing. Didn't say it wasn't smart. That Nico's nemesis in Delgado was gone and it gave Zain a year off to build up to 149 instead of having to face Streibler at 141 his true sophomore year...sounds like some smart "strategery" to me. But then Cael was just following in Tan Tom's footsteps.

125 - Everyone leaves out Garrett in this argument. Garrett had just beaten Nico, so if you say Nico was ducking people (can't believe I'm typing that) you have to argue he was ducking Garrett too. Which implies that Cael and crew knew he was going to be out of the weight in two years, which judging by his frame I would've bet against. So this argument doesn't really hold water with me

141/49 - We're all assuming Zain could've made 41

157 - I won't fault the coaches for leaving a true freshman on redshirt if they feel it's necessary. I think back to Taylor's introduction to Rec Hall getting whooped by Cyler. I'm sure redshirting the other two made this easy.

Heck while we're playing lineup games why didn't Matt Brown drop to 65 and have Bo go 74? More evidence of duckery obviously!

 

[pish69]

At least somebody who is honest. Two proven AA's and a kid like Nolf that could have been brought out of RS after the Scuffle and AA. Instead, sit them all and load up for a sure thing. Didn't say it wasn't smart. That Nico's nemesis in Delgado was gone and it gave Zain a year off to build up to 149 instead of having to face Streibler at 141 his true sophomore year...sounds like some smart "strategery" to me. But then Cael was just following in Tan Tom's footsteps.

In my years reading these boards Chief has always been one of the most honest and respected posters on this board as well as his home board.

That being said to double down with this nonsense trying to equate a coach red shirting a kid and a late season duck by his coach is just crazy.

My take. Even though Chief won't admit it as he's a passionate Iowa supporter, is deep down disgusted by Brands decision and is lashing out trying to equate this to a redshirt situation. Unfortunately for Chief on this one he's dead wrong but his passion won't let him admit it even though he knows deep down it's weak by Brands.

If Cael did this, I would be disappointed. I'd still respect him as all hell for everything else he's brought to the program but I would lose just a tiny bit of respect.

 

[NoVa Lion]

At least somebody who is honest. Two proven AA's and a kid like Nolf that could have been brought out of RS after the Scuffle and AA. Instead, sit them all and load up for a sure thing. Didn't say it wasn't smart. That Nico's nemesis in Delgado was gone and it gave Zain a year off to build up to 149 instead of having to face Streibler at 141 his true sophomore year...sounds like some smart "strategery" to me. But then Cael was just following in Tan Tom's footsteps.

Wow, you went from being a very good poster to a troll in record time. Congrats.

 

[NittanyChris]

In my years reading these boards Chief has always been one of the most honest and respected posters on this board as well as his home board.

That being said to double down with this nonsense trying to equate a coach red shirting a kid and a late season duck by his coach is just crazy.

My take. Even though Chief won't admit it as he's a passionate Iowa supporter, is deep down disgusted by Brands decision and is lashing out trying to equate this to a redshirt situation. Unfortunately for Chief on this one he's dead wrong but his passion won't let him admit it even though he knows deep down it's weak by Brands.

If Cael did this, I would be disappointed. I'd still respect him as all hell for everything else he's brought to the program but I would lose just a tiny bit of respect.

Spot on here, pish. Chief is usually very levelheaded and fair. That his attempted comparison is so far off the mark is an indicator that he's on tilt, to use poker lingo.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Az is a wolf in sheep clothing. If you look carefully at his posts over here, you will see a lot of back handed compliments and lectures.

 

[purescurve]

Wow, you went from being a very good poster to a troll in record time. Congrats.

now I'm confused. Is it allright to like Chief's opinion or not?

 

[21Guns]

Well, on the other hand, it IS ducking, until it ISN'T ducking. At some point you have to wrestle, if you want to win.

I remember Perry for Okla St, who basically stalled his entire career, until his final match, then when he decided to actually wrestle, it turned out he was pretty good at it, and he whipped Howe in the finals, lmao.

But, Tan Tom is shady, and this is an example of protecting his seed. I highly doubt Brooks is ducking anyone, but I don't trust, or care for Ryan. Him and Mark Perry, I just don't like.

 

[Fink]

Ducking to protect a seed (in a year the wrestler is active) vs. redshirting are apples and oranges. In the former, there is an attempt to manipulate the seeding process by protecting a record for the benefit of a tournament run that year. In the latter, the wrestler is NOT participating that year. It does not and cannot challenge the integrity of the seeding.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Ducking to protect a seed (in a year the wrestler is active) vs. redshirting are apples and oranges. In the former, there is an attempt to manipulate the seeding process by protecting a record for the benefit of a tournament run that year. In the latter, the wrestler is NOT participating that year. It does not and cannot challenge the integrity of the seeding.

Not to mention that all athlete's get 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility.... Trying to claim red-shirting is analogous to "seed ducking" is, well...........it's just pain dumb.

 

[KidNittany]

Not to mention that all athlete's get 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility.... Trying to claim red-shirting is analogous to "seed ducking" is, well...........it's just pain dumb.

I wouldn't say it's dumb, it's just not a one-to-one

 

[WildTurk]

Az is a wolf in sheep clothing. If you look carefully at his posts over here, you will see a lot of back handed compliments and lectures.

Not trying to speak for Chief here but a wolf in sheep clothing? I don't think he has ever pretended to be anything other than a Hawkeye fan that respects PSU and BWI. I dont think you will see him walking around with Blue and White sheepskin on

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Ducking to protect a seed (in a year the wrestler is active) vs. redshirting are apples and oranges. In the former, there is an attempt to manipulate the seeding process by protecting a record for the benefit of a tournament run that year. In the latter, the wrestler is NOT participating that year. It does not and cannot challenge the integrity of the seeding.

Not to mention that all athlete's get 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility.... Trying to claim red-shirting is analogous to "seed ducking" is, well...........it's just pain dumb.

I wouldn't say it's dumb, it's just not a one-to-one

Okay, I'll call it disingenuous rather than dumb - how about that?

 

[JimNazium]

At least somebody who is honest. Two proven AA's and a kid like Nolf that could have been brought out of RS after the Scuffle and AA. Instead, sit them all and load up for a sure thing. Didn't say it wasn't smart. That Nico's nemesis in Delgado was gone and it gave Zain a year off to build up to 149 instead of having to face Streibler at 141 his true sophomore year...sounds like some smart "strategery" to me. But then Cael was just following in Tan Tom's footsteps.

Streibler !!!!

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Not trying to speak for Chief here but a wolf in sheep clothing? I don't think he has ever pretended to be anything other than a Hawkeye fan that respects PSU and BWI. I dont think you will see him walking around with Blue and White sheepskin on

My comments are more about his true opinions then fan affiliation. That certainly doesn't mean I mind him posting over here. I'm not big on ignore, banning or telling people to go post on their own board and would rather people let you know where they stand, heck I haven't even put Jammenz on ignore. Just sometimes I get the feeling he is playing us a bit by telling us what he thinks we want to hear in order to slip in some of his anti-PSU opinions without getting push back. Of course maybe I'm the crazy one because I'd rather get called every name in the book by your boys then water down my opinion or attempt to placate the crowd with praises.

btw, Feel free to picture me wearing this clothing when I post over on HR:

 

[amalone]

At least somebody who is honest. Two proven AA's and a kid like Nolf that could have been brought out of RS after the Scuffle and AA. Instead, sit them all and load up for a sure thing. Didn't say it wasn't smart. That Nico's nemesis in Delgado was gone and it gave Zain a year off to build up to 149 instead of having to face Streibler at 141 his true sophomore year...sounds like some smart "strategery" to me. But then Cael was just following in Tan Tom's footsteps.

Wasn't Nico... Thomas Gilman's nemesis?? I'm not sure. Gilman kept unducking him... and Gilman kept losing to him.

 

[jmadden1998]

Manning left Dudley on the bench and sent out his backup Sowell. Guessing he did it since Iowa had clinched the dual.

 

[pish69]

Wow another duck job. This time by Manning against Brooks.

Unreal. Every so damn scared to face Bo. What a shame.

Meanwhile fans go to watch marquee matchups but coaches continue to ruin it

 

[pish69]

Truthfully if I were ranking it. I'd have Bo, Jackson, Martin and then let the ducks battle it out for 4/5.

 

[lionlover]

My comments are more about his true opinions then fan affiliation. That certainly doesn't mean I mind him posting over here. I'm not big on ignore, banning or telling people to go post on their own board and would rather people let you know where they stand, heck I haven't even put Jammenz on ignore. Just sometimes I get the feeling he is playing us a bit by telling us what he thinks we want to hear in order to slip in some of his anti-PSU opinions without getting push back. Of course maybe I'm the crazy one because I'd rather get called every name in the book by your boys then water down my opinion or attempt to placate the crowd with praises.

btw, Feel free to picture me wearing this clothing when I post over on HR:

I like AZ and think he is one of the best Iowa posters on this board. We are all biased to a degree. I respect his opinions. BTW, I love that picture! LOL!!

 

[Allensville Amos]

Truthfully if I were ranking it. I'd have Bo, Jackson, Martin and then let the ducks battle it out for 4/5.

How is Martin above Brooks, Brooks beat him, and really just broke him in the third when they wrestled.

 

[pish69]

How is Martin above Brooks, Brooks beat him, and really just broke him in the third when they wrestled.

Brooks and Dudley get penalized for their coaches ducking competition where as the first 3 never did. Manning ducked Jackson and Brooks. Brands ducked Jackson. IMO coaches that duck for seed should get the seeds shoved right up their ass

 

[Allensville Amos]

Brooks and Dudley get penalized for their coaches ducking competition where as the first 3 never did. Manning ducked Jackson and Brooks. Brands ducked Jackson. IMO coaches that duck for seed should get the seeds shoved right up their ass

I would drop Brooks below Jackson because he was held out of that match, this despite Brooks having the more recent win over Jackson when they split at Midlands. Brooks/Brands did not duck Martin, and Brooks win over Martin was convincing enough where I could not seed Martin over Brooks.

Agree there should be a penalty for seed protection, but after watching Brooks and Martin, that's too big a penalty IMO. I would seed 184, 1) Nickal, 2)Jackson, 3)Brooks, 4)Martin, 5)Dudley. It will be interesting to see how seeding actually goes, and how much weight is given to being held out of duals.

 

[matter7172]

Not trying to speak for Chief here but a wolf in sheep clothing? I don't think he has ever pretended to be anything other than a Hawkeye fan that respects PSU and BWI. I dont think you will see him walking around with Blue and White sheepskin on

But he doesn't pull out stuff here like he does on HR - as he does in post 36 of this thread and its aftermath:

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/duals-are-set.180973/

Which is what I think the OP was getting at. In other words, he makes a special effort to appear like a reasonable, respectful poster here - he presents well but ....

 

[matter7172]

The "cool" guy on HR, in one day, calls Virginia Tech "Vag Tech" and informs anyone stupid enough to take anything written on HR seriously that "no one gives a shit about Lehigh/Rutgers". Well, maybe not on HR, because they certainly aren't wrestling fans for the most part over there, they are Iowa fans. I give a shit about Rutgers/Lehigh and am looking forward to the match. Certainly a lot more than Iowa/Boro. Know why? Because it's a better and more interesting match.

 

[raslen007]

Az is a wolf in sheep clothing. If you look carefully at his posts over here, you will see a lot of back handed compliments and lectures.

Different personality over on HR than on BWI. It's very odd.

 

[matter7172]

I like AZ and think he is one of the best Iowa posters on this board. We are all biased to a degree. I respect his opinions. BTW, I love that picture! LOL!!

Including the ones on HR where he is not presenting his false front and disparages other programs like he has today?

Different personality over on HR than on BWI. It's very odd.

It's not odd. It's manipulative. He's free to express his true colors over there, but so desperately needs approval that he "presents" here. Either that or he presents to get approval over there and expresses his true personality here.

 

[lionlover]

Including the ones on HR where he is not presenting his false front and disparages other programs like he has today?



It's not odd. It's manipulative. He's free to express his true colors over there, but so desperately needs approval that he "presents" here. Either that or he presents to get approval over there and expresses his true personality here.

Hey, I didn't say @Azchief32 was Jesus Christ. But, the guy has my respect. He may have some opinions that don't gel with the rest of this board ,but he generally is pretty damn fair...and funny!

I have personally seen him on many, many occasions, stick up for PSU fans on the Iowa board when few or no other Iowa posters did. So, I really don't care about your opinion of him.

 

[matter7172]

Hey, I didn't say @Azchief32 was Jesus Christ. But, the guy has my respect. He may have some opinions that don't gel with the rest of this board ,but he generally is pretty damn fair...and funny!

I have personally seen him on many, many occasions, stick up for PSU fans on the Iowa board when few or no other Iowa posters did. So, I really don't care about your opinion of him.

Ok. My experience is the opposite. We'll have to manage to disagree.

 

[Azchief32]

My comments are more about his true opinions then fan affiliation. That certainly doesn't mean I mind him posting over here. I'm not big on ignore, banning or telling people to go post on their own board and would rather people let you know where they stand, heck I haven't even put Jammenz on ignore. Just sometimes I get the feeling he is playing us a bit by telling us what he thinks we want to hear in order to slip in some of his anti-PSU opinions without getting push back. Of course maybe I'm the crazy one because I'd rather get called every name in the book by your boys then water down my opinion or attempt to placate the crowd with praises.

btw, Feel free to picture me wearing this clothing when I post over on HR:

Wow...just read this thread (thanks for the tag LL and the backup). Wolf in sheep's clothing...lol. Ok...FT, here it is: You are a dick over on HR. You always have been so no matter what you post about wrestling, people are always going to see you through that lens. Congrats, be proud but nobody pays attention to anything past "Flying Tiger said:" even if you wanted to just discuss wrestling. Same with you Matter. Here's the difference...yes, I argue over here but not every time I post. My reasoning? It's your forum to support PSU so why would I come in here trying to crap all over it all the time. I am mostly here to see what 8-10 guys post anyways...plus 2-3 offer good inside info on PSU. So when I post in here, I try and show some respect. Doesn't always happen...every once in awhile I go off on a tangent but it is what it is. Some guys crap all over Iowa in here? So be it...it's your board and there is not much I can do to change minds and I'll be arguing until the sun comes up. You do it on HR, then that's different. BTW...a lot more PSU trolls over there doing their thing than Iowa ones over here.

There are some BWI posters that have had anti Iowa posts in the past but when they post over on HR, they keep it to themselves and comment on the tread topic. I respect that. Are they playing me? No. Now I could come over here, grab posts of what they said but you know what...most on the Iowa board just do not give a damn what is posted over here, can read for themselves and what's the point? To prove that poster is pro PSU and anti Iowa sometimes? Like many of you, there are things I like about opposing teams and stuff I don't. Just because I am not continually pounding that over here doesn't make me duplicitous...just trying not to be a jackass although I can be over here sometimes. BTW...everything I post gets seen here or there so what's the difference? Not like it's behind anybody's back....right there for everyone to see.

 

[jrd23psu]

At least somebody who is honest. Two proven AA's and a kid like Nolf that could have been brought out of RS after the Scuffle and AA. Instead, sit them all and load up for a sure thing. Didn't say it wasn't smart. That Nico's nemesis in Delgado was gone and it gave Zain a year off to build up to 149 instead of having to face Streibler at 141 his true sophomore year...sounds like some smart "strategery" to me. But then Cael was just following in Tan Tom's footsteps.

Stick to making quality posts, so far your recent posts in this thread are an F-

I was told you were better than this. Your flimsy comparisons do you no favors.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Wow...just read this thread (thanks for the tag LL and the backup). Wolf in sheep's clothing...lol. Ok...FT, here it is: You are a dick over on HR. You always have been so no matter what you post about wrestling, people are always going to see you through that lens. Congrats, be proud but nobody pays attention to anything past "Flying Tiger said:" even if you wanted to just discuss wrestling. Same with you Matter. Here's the difference...yes, I argue over here but not every time I post. My reasoning? It's your forum to support PSU so why would I come in here trying to crap all over it all the time. I am mostly here to see what 8-10 guys post anyways...plus 2-3 offer good inside info on PSU. So when I post in here, I try and show some respect. Doesn't always happen...every once in awhile I go off on a tangent but it is what it is. Some guys crap all over Iowa in here? So be it...it's your board and there is not much I can do to change minds and I'll be arguing until the sun comes up. You do it on HR, then that's different. BTW...a lot more PSU trolls over there doing their thing than Iowa ones over here.

There are some BWI posters that have had anti Iowa posts in the past but when they post over on HR, they keep it to themselves and comment on the tread topic. I respect that. Are they playing me? No. Now I could come over here, grab posts of what they said but you know what...most on the Iowa board just do not give a damn what is posted over here, can read for themselves and what's the point? To prove that poster is pro PSU and anti Iowa sometimes? Like many of you, there are things I like about opposing teams and stuff I don't. Just because I am not continually pounding that over here doesn't make me duplicitous...just trying not to be a jackass although I can be over here sometimes. BTW...everything I post gets seen here or there so what's the difference? Not like it's behind anybody's back....right there for everyone to see.

Correct terminology is "Nolf in Sheep's Clothing" ™

I thought the Nico ducking Delgado theme is lame ( and I know it's common currency on HR), but I'm guilty of similar in an Iowa fan's eyes I'm sure, but no one can ever please an entire opposing fan base. Keep on posting!

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Wow...just read this thread (thanks for the tag LL and the backup). Wolf in sheep's clothing...lol. Ok...FT, here it is: You are a dick over on HR. You always have been so no matter what you post about wrestling, people are always going to see you through that lens. Congrats, be proud but nobody pays attention to anything past "Flying Tiger said:" even if you wanted to just discuss wrestling. Same with you Matter. Here's the difference...yes, I argue over here but not every time I post. My reasoning? It's your forum to support PSU so why would I come in here trying to crap all over it all the time. I am mostly here to see what 8-10 guys post anyways...plus 2-3 offer good inside info on PSU. So when I post in here, I try and show some respect. Doesn't always happen...every once in awhile I go off on a tangent but it is what it is. Some guys crap all over Iowa in here? So be it...it's your board and there is not much I can do to change minds and I'll be arguing until the sun comes up. You do it on HR, then that's different. BTW...a lot more PSU trolls over there doing their thing than Iowa ones over here.

There are some BWI posters that have had anti Iowa posts in the past but when they post over on HR, they keep it to themselves and comment on the tread topic. I respect that. Are they playing me? No. Now I could come over here, grab posts of what they said but you know what...most on the Iowa board just do not give a damn what is posted over here, can read for themselves and what's the point? To prove that poster is pro PSU and anti Iowa sometimes? Like many of you, there are things I like about opposing teams and stuff I don't. Just because I am not continually pounding that over here doesn't make me duplicitous...just trying not to be a jackass although I can be over here sometimes. BTW...everything I post gets seen here or there so what's the difference? Not like it's behind anybody's back....right there for everyone to see.

Chief, when message board drama's got you all fired up, just remember these lines from Ricky Nelson's country-rock classic, Garden Party:

"But it's all right now, yeah, I learned my lesson well
You see, you can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself"

 

[21Guns]

Chief, when message board drama's got you all fired up, just remember these lines from Ricky Nelson's country-rock classic, Garden Party:

"But it's all right now, yeah, I learned my lesson well
You see, you can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself"

Rick Nelson and the Stone City Band. Great song. I practice that advice also.