T.R. Foley has given us something to discuss
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Think on your own, don't rely on the circle. They make up only a small percentage of this board.
Personally I am willing to accept that it might mean Rei, comes to PSU and wrestles for Penn State. That's a possibility.
Some folks just want to attack and pile on, rather than post anything that resembles optimism. Same people who ran their pie holes so loud about Hall's redshirt, and then disappeared from the threads, are now attacking others over this. It might happen, it might not happen, but Foley is a respected wrestling man with a high position in a company that the little circle of hate on this board, can drag down all they want, but cannot touch, when it comes to national success on wrestling journalism.
Yum...
Big bowls of mixed fruit -- check
Eggs, scrambled or omelet style -- check
Short stack of pancakes or waffles -- check
Plenty of ice water -- check
I might throw in some bacon or sausage, but that's just my preference
If they eat like that every meal, Cael can start a Sumo wrestling branch at the NLWC. I think its called "Iowa Style" in the midwest.
Well technically, NSSU is a college, and Higuchi wrestles there, so it is "college wrestling" it just isn't "NCAA wrestling"
Right. I wasn't questioning that. Just calling a spade a spade and a troll job a troll job.
Yes, Nissan Sport Science University.... Raises an interesting question, do they wrestle simple International Rules in Japan or do they also have their own version of Folkstyle (i.e., "local rules")?
I believe it is international style at the High School level in Japan. A few years back there was a move by the Pacific Military bases or affiliated high schools to switch from Freestyle to US Folkstyle. Some of the Japan schools were against the move.
Full-blown International Free rules are pretty dangerous - a ton of injuries (even more physical and dangerous than US Collegiate Folk vs scholastic Folk). Full-blown International Free takes a physical tool on the body over time -- they don't even wrestle full-blown International Free in US Jr. Free (used to be called Jr. Olympics, not sure if that is still the case) I don't believe. There are very few moves they call "PD" in International Free - in fact, you are permitted to forfeit if in too much pain (IOW, International Free has moves / holds which could be deemed "submission holds" they are so painful and dangerous).
Please come with statistics or any real proof validating these claims. Very little in this post is even remotely factual. Ugh.
Well, we've seen biting and gun toting on the mat. And fat guys stripping. Can't forget that.
You don't think Olympic Free Rules are more dangerous than US Scholastic Folk? From mat returns, to throws and even PD moves, Olympic Free Rules are lightyears more liberal than US Scholastic Folk - you don't agree with that? Seriously?
DODDS-Pacific wrestling: A matter of style
By DAVE ORNAUER | STARS AND STRIPES
Published: February 7, 2013
A study by The Division of Orthopedic Surgery, University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9784815 shows that folkstyle attributed to 9.6 injuries per 1,000 matches.
By DAVE ORNAUER | STARS AND STRIPES
Published: February 7, 2013
One of the foundations, freestyle proponents say, is the available pool of indigenous officials, and the opportunity to enrich the freestyle experience by wrestling Japanese, Okinawan and Korean teams in town.
“We live in Japan and Korea; they have their traditions. They don’t do folkstyle here,” Daegu’s former coach Luke Spencer said."
Much debate has centered on which style holds the greater possibility for devastating injury. While folkstyle is about technique, escapes, reversals and defense, freestyle is more about attacking and throws.
One study indicates there are about seven injuries per 1,000 matches in freestyle and about 4.6 in Greco-Roman, while another shows folkstyle attributed to 9.6 injuries per 1,000 matches.
“If you want to use the injury argument, then we go Greco,” Yokota coach Brian Kitts said, criticizing those who insist that the format should be consistent across the board.
From the Center for Injury Research and Policy, Columbus Children’s Research Institute, Children’s Hospital, Columbus, OH, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18067522 indicates that there are about 7 injuries per 1,000 matches for Freestyle and about 4.6 injuries per 1,000 matches for Greco.“We live in Japan and Korea; they have their traditions. They don’t do folkstyle here,” Daegu’s former coach Luke Spencer said."
Much debate has centered on which style holds the greater possibility for devastating injury. While folkstyle is about technique, escapes, reversals and defense, freestyle is more about attacking and throws.
One study indicates there are about seven injuries per 1,000 matches in freestyle and about 4.6 in Greco-Roman, while another shows folkstyle attributed to 9.6 injuries per 1,000 matches.
“If you want to use the injury argument, then we go Greco,” Yokota coach Brian Kitts said, criticizing those who insist that the format should be consistent across the board.
A study by The Division of Orthopedic Surgery, University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9784815 shows that folkstyle attributed to 9.6 injuries per 1,000 matches.
JB - you don't know it, but you just reaped the whirlwind. Prepare for a veritable blizzard of posts from Franklin. He has the tenacity of a rat terrier. If he got paid by the word, his wealth would rival Carlos Slim and Bill Gates (combined)
Well the facts is the facts. However, I assume that those stats are relative to Collegiate Folkstyle which is a different set of rules, and more physical, than Scholastic Folk. But the stats are still surprising to me - and apparently to the writers. The other thing not covered here is the incidence of serious injury such as dislocations and breaks versus sprains and bruises.
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Man, the only way we're gonna know whether those numbers should be compared is to read the damned studies, and who has the patience to do that?!?
Unless the studies tracked the exact same wrestlers across their different events, we may be comparing apples and orangutans. For example, if the freestyle samples are high-end athletes from high-end clubs, and the folk style samples include asthmatic first-year hoi polloi, maybe the numbers won't compare well ...
Ha....though the concept of using paragraphs still eludes him. Something about an unbroken chain of thought, I guess...
And we all know freestyle in Iran is safer than folkstyle in Iowa.
Couldn't help but notice the extended backpedaling drill 30 sec into the video.
No wonder he wants to come to PSU. The Creamery got the Pitt off Morelli, should be able to get the Poke off Higuchi.
If you don't want to take the time to read the reports or even the abstracts, I'm not going to read them to you.
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You do realize that tracking the same wrestlers through all three disciplines would in fact be mixing the elites of freestyle with the hoi polloi of greco, etc.
Getting back to my original thought, It does look like they wrestle international styles at the high school,level in Japan.
not really that surprising. You have more beginners in scholastic wrestling and generally more experienced wrestlers in free and greco. One might be able to say that the injury rate with inexperienced wrestlers is higher. However, that's my gut... no facts or figures
They do. One of my high school teammates lived in Japan for a year (IIRC his father had a temporary work assignment there). He wrestled exclusively freestyle that year.
Also think there may well be a difference between the incidence of major injury between NCAA Collegiate Folk Wrestling and Scholastic Folk Wrestling - the study makes no distinction between the two different rule sets in US Folk (and Collegiate Folk is significantly more physical than Scholastic). The study also just covers the incidence of "injury" (which could include something as simple as a blood timeout), but it really is not focused exclusively on "major injury". My comment to the OP was that the incidence of serious injury would be higher wrestling full-blown Int'l Free rules versus US Scholastic Folk rules as the rules in regards to mat returns, throws and PD Holds are much more liberal. I still believe that has to be the case, but the results of the study are surprising to me (as they apparently were to the writer).
They also probably count any "injury timeout" regardless of whether the wrestler was just momentarily shaken up (the majority of injury timeouts) or the wrestler was actually injured and could not continue (i.e., Injury Default).
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