Never bet against Bo, that guy can get it done from everywhere. Don't skip the all star event, it's bad for the sport and the seeding was accurate.
Talk of Valencia moving up and Bo making history
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The seeding was essentially a coin flip. Hall should have gotten the benefit of the doubt since he was the returning NCAA champion. Zahid beat BoJo twice and Amine once, Hall beat Amine twice and BoJo once. Amine was better than BoJo.
All that being said, Hall and Zahid were the two best in the class and their seeding had nothing to do with the final result. The best time to get Zahid is Friday night in the semis or after a one-hour weigh-in such as a dual meet.
It's an ALL-STAR meet.
Maybe my joke went over your head. The joke is that it's a meet for ALL-STARS and you asked which Iowa guys attended last year.
No problem! It was low hanging fruit and you tee'd it up so I took a swing.
Interesting. I guess enough new guys coming in and the guys holding redshirts don't want to prolong their college tenure?
Seedings and tough draws are for PSU fans to worry about. Both the coaches and wrestlers have made it clear that they focus on their own game plan, take things one match at a time, and expect to win it all. For them, there is no such things as a bad draw ...
Quentin was seeded 9th his sophomore year. Cael said before the tournament started, Quentin Wright seeded 9th, a lot of people at 184 got a really bad draw.
And seeded 8th at BIGs where a lot of people at 184 also got a tough draw.
Remarkable run.....Q was the flagbearer for the Cael team ascending the mountain of wrestling supremacy.
Truly an awesome moment...though changing of the guards happened the day the guards changed.
On FRL, yesterday, they were talking how Mark weighs more than Valencia. I believe it was Willy and Bratke (?) sounding very confident in that statement.
That's cool, but I disagree. My eyes work just fine and he looks like the biggest 174 pounder I've ever seen. I just saw the national championship picture of all the champions together on the mat that they always take: I'll try to find it for you and post it. On one knee of course is Lee, Gross, Yianni, Zain, and Jason in that order, then on the second row they did it backward this time and had Cenzo behind Jason, and then Zahid and then Bo, and the size difference between Zahid and Cenzo is almost comical, as Zahid is every bit as big as Bo, maybe an inch shorter though. Zahid looks bigger than Macchiavello also, and is about 4 inches taller as well.
yeah, i just googled that picture and then looked at the 2017 picture (and the picture of the 5 PSU champs)
zahid vs cenzo & mark vs cenzo is not even close (granted its a year later, but the difference is staggering IMO)
Last summer at the Junior World Team Trials Hall wrestled 163 and Zahid 185. I won't mention what I think of what Flo says.
Exactly. Look, for anyone with two functional eyes, I ask you to google the 2018 champions pic that is the standard pic they always take.
Now, unless you are blind, you can plainly see that Zahid Valencia looks bigger than everyone in the back row not named Kyle Snyder.
I am "anyone with two functional eyes", as are others here. To me (just me), it's immaterial how they look. For Mark and Zahid, both had 1-hour weigh-ins for 5 months, weighing (I'm guessing) within a pound of each other, while mowing down the field, and going undefeated all the way through to the NCAA Finals. Zahid probably weighed more at Finals time, but managed his weight through an entire season of duals and mid-season tournaments.
I'm curious what the point is. I'll trust a scale before I trust my eyes, and both guys wrestled a full schedule under the same NCAA rules.
Carry on...
Roar, don't the current rules to weight certification pretty much eliminate the dropping of too much weight?
I think the point now is will Valencia go to 184 or not.
with all due respect, no one is saying that ZV didnt make weight or broke any rules or did anything wrong
the discussion was focused on 2 points
1. where Zahid is likely to end up next season
2. a comment by Flo people that Hall is naturally heavier than ZV
i think these are valid talking points in the off-season ....
apparently you have never heard the old saying "looks can be deceiving"?
another example-Ringer and Martin both look bigger than Gabe Dean, and Nico looks pretty close to Nashon. Eye tests don't always work-big differences in bone structure and density, muscle structure and distribution, etc.
how tough is NCAAs....3 of the champs in that pic lost their last match as a D1 wrestler and 1 has yet to ever be #1 again.another example-Ringer and Martin both look bigger than Gabe Dean, and Nico looks pretty close to Nashon. Eye tests don't always work-big differences in bone structure and density, muscle structure and distribution, etc.
and Captain America had a loss in his final season but our guy...Mr ZPain won 94 straight!
#thatswhatwedo
Ringer's neck looks much bigger than Cox's.another example-Ringer and Martin both look bigger than Gabe Dean, and Nico looks pretty close to Nashon. Eye tests don't always work-big differences in bone structure and density, muscle structure and distribution, etc.
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