The Cleveland Guardians...
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Stupid name. Might as well call themselves the Cleveland jailers.Tom Hanks started his career in CLE doing shakespear at the Lakewood Ohio Beck Center for the Performing Arts and lived in the city for a short period of time. He has always spoken well of CLE and his time here.
The Guardians are a set of art deco "Guardians of Traffic" carved into the Hope Memorial Bridge. They were carved out, or at least managed, by Harry Hope who is the father of the famous actor and comedian Bob Hope who was born here.
I am not a fan of changing the name. In fact, the franchise signed an agreement with several native American tribes to keep the "Indians" name as long as they got rid of the Indian Chief Wahoo logo two years ago. Regardless, it is the best they could do. Spiders was a consideration but would have had some legal challenges. And "Guardians" is not that much different than "Indians" as the new logo suggests.
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Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America
07/22/21
Can anybody believe that the Cleveland Indians, a storied and cherished baseball franchise since taking the name in 1915, are changing their name to the Guardians? Such a disgrace, and I guarantee that the people who are most angry about it are the many Indians of our Country. Wouldn’t it be an honor to have a team named the Cleveland Indians, and wouldn’t it be disrespectful to rip that name and logo off of those jerseys? The people of Cleveland cannot be thrilled and I, as a FORMER baseball fan, cannot believe things such as this are happening. A small group of people, with absolutely crazy ideas and policies, is forcing these changes to destroy our culture and heritage. At some point, the people will not take it anymore!
Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America
07/22/21
Can anybody believe that the Cleveland Indians, a storied and cherished baseball franchise since taking the name in 1915, are changing their name to the Guardians? Such a disgrace, and I guarantee that the people who are most angry about it are the many Indians of our Country. Wouldn’t it be an honor to have a team named the Cleveland Indians, and wouldn’t it be disrespectful to rip that name and logo off of those jerseys? The people of Cleveland cannot be thrilled and I, as a FORMER baseball fan, cannot believe things such as this are happening. A small group of people, with absolutely crazy ideas and policies, is forcing these changes to destroy our culture and heritage. At some point, the people will not take it anymore!
Someday he'll realize most people don't care what he thinks. And he's now a FORMER fan? All current fans say "thank you".
Maybe the Washington Football Club will change their name to honor him. How about the Washington Whore Mongers?
The name Guardians is obviously beyond lame. Weird how things work: I live south of the Navajo Reservation and have seen more than a couple Cleveland Indians hats being worn by Navajos. I'm also sure there is a stink about it with other Navajos. Historically it's undeniable Native peoples were often uber abused by the immigrant Europeans. Maybe we should have a representational input from the tribes and less from the 'guardians'?
Got thinking. The Cleveland Fiduciaries would be an equally silly and comparable name.
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Disregarding the PC stuff that caused this at first this is the worst nickname I have ever heard of.
I get why people may have been offended with the logo but Indians isn't an offensive term.
Cleveland Tribe?
Just do not get this.
I get why people may have been offended with the logo but Indians isn't an offensive term.
Cleveland Tribe?
Just do not get this.
The Cleveland ownership released the most ridiculous statement about the name change. They said that this new ("Y") generation is "less tolerant of intolerance." Does anyone have any idea what that means? Seems to me if someone is less tolerant of intolerance than they wouldn't even have the tolerance of an intolerant person. It's very confusing.
Or we could stop bending over for every small percentage of every minority group that gets offended by the slightest thing…..just a thought.
I am intolerant of the use of than where then should be used. No one gives a Shit!
Actually, why do any of us give a damn what spoiled Billionaires call their over valued franchise teams....seriously....
The Cleveland Tee Ball Team would be the most appropriate based on decades of traditional performance! Is this at all worth the time we have given it here?
I thought a true PSU fan would know PSU has changed names, logos and colors more than university in the US...except maybe Auburn ... are you torqued out of shape because we have gave up the Pink and Black for the Blue and White. Good Lord...
I let my kids play cowboys and guardians today in the back yard.
What were the statues guarding against - the Indians er Native Americans er indigenous peoples?Tom Hanks started his career in CLE doing shakespear at the Lakewood Ohio Beck Center for the Performing Arts and lived in the city for a short period of time. He has always spoken well of CLE and his time here.
The Guardians are a set of art deco "Guardians of Traffic" carved into the Hope Memorial Bridge. They were carved out, or at least managed, by Harry Hope who is the father of the famous actor and comedian Bob Hope who was born here.
I am not a fan of changing the name. In fact, the franchise signed an agreement with several native American tribes to keep the "Indians" name as long as they got rid of the Indian Chief Wahoo logo two years ago. Regardless, it is the best they could do. Spiders was a consideration but would have had some legal challenges. And "Guardians" is not that much different than "Indians" as the new logo suggests.
Look at the whole thread and the attention this gets in the babbling media. You would think the topic actually mattered in our lives. As long as the franchises go up in value the owners don't care. The players only care about their paychecks. Fan-atics and the city governments keep placating the aforementioned. So, the names change and the media and fans throw a brief hissy fit. Those that want life to stop unchanged shout 'cancel culture' for a couple news cycles as if we don't have more important issues that are being ignored; things that have been hounding us for centuries. This is what we otherwise foolishly comfortable choose to quibble about. Yawn.
Serious question? They are guardians of transportation safety. Remember there were built in the 1920 s.
Each Guardian holds a different vehicle in its hand--a hay wagon, covered wagon, stagecoach, a 1930s-era automobile, as well as four types of motorized trucks used for construction.
Rockers was the WNBA team name and may still be active. Helen Darling of Lady Lions fame played for them (and grew up around the corner from where I used to live--same high school as Paul O'Neill and Terry Glenn).
I think it means that people today are intolerant of their version of intolerance. Therefore, everyone is just intolerant or at least viewed to be intolerant. No one safe, no one is good, with a notable exception.
Only the government and media overlord arbiters of tolerance that stoke intolerance of intolerance are good. In fact, they are to be worshipped no matter what inconsistencies may exist in their personal lives.
If they've dressed in blackface, that's cool as long as they speak out against other perceived intolerance. If they've murdered tens of thousands of octogenarians by sending COVID+ patients into their residences, that's cool, as long as they speak out against other perceived intolerance. And they'll let you know what is intolerance or not. And you sure as he!! can't tolerate honoring indigenous peoples by naming a baseball team after them.
So it doesn’t matter if your house is falling down as long as it’s a little at a time. It’s just small things, don’t worry about them….then they add up to become big things. It’s not just about the name change (which may or may not be a small thing depending on who you ask), it’s about why the name was changed (which is a big thing).
It was not a serious question - it was tongue in cheek. I don't care what they are guarding against, it is a god-awful name for a sports franchise.
I think the Cleveland Gardeners makes more sense. They even have a farm system.
My friend. I believe this string is not simply over the Indians name change but out of the frustration over the direction that our society is headed. Remember the lesson taught to us by an old ball coach.....take care of the little things and the big things will fall in place.
Word is that they’ve already settled with marvel and since the guardians was already in place in Cleveland they didn’t have a realistic claim
If they wanted historical, why not go with the Cleveland Generals after the city's namesake?
Also, it appears that there is a roller derby team named the Cleveland Guardians that have been around since at least 2016. I hope they demand a tidy sum for their url: http://www.clevelandguardians.com/ Their page is timing out a lot, so I included a screenshot.
Also, it appears that there is a roller derby team named the Cleveland Guardians that have been around since at least 2016. I hope they demand a tidy sum for their url: http://www.clevelandguardians.com/ Their page is timing out a lot, so I included a screenshot.
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Now that we've taken care of Chief Wahoo, we can turn our attention to lesser, but no less egregious mascots, like Fiddlesticks, the Pirates Parrot. Around the world today, Whiteness has oppressed people of color and forced them, disproportionately, to become pirates to feed their families. To understand this, one only needs to watch Tom Hanks' portrayal of Capt Philips and his tyranny and oppression of pirates of color, who were mostly peaceful, as they tried to reclaim the riches being extracted from the people of their homeland by white colonialism. To boot, these pirates or color are being demeaned by being portrayed by a cartoonish parrot in a bandana. How offensive!!! Whiteness must end!!!!! Cancel Fiddlesticks!*
*Note - This post is only satire until it inevitably becomes real.
My final comment as a Clevelander and 40-year tribe fan.
I think ownership shit the bed on changing the name. There could have been a lot of cool things to do, with the Tribes, then changing the name. Now, the tribes have zero platform with which to bring native American issues to the forefront. I know, for a fact, that the Tribes agreed to be OK with the Indian name if they dropped Wahoo which was fine by me. And I spoke to protesters that didn't want them to change the name lest they have nothing to use to get PR.
My personal opinion is that it simply was considered a liability when/if they sell the team and that is why the decision was made. Bite the bullet, pay the price, position it for sale down the road to maximize profit. Follow the money.
Having said all of that, I love the "Guardians" name. It has roots to the city, will be easily leveraged for imagery, and is transferable (Indians to Guardians, the "C" to a "G"). I really liked the use of Tom Hanks because he is a Tribe fan, spent time in the city and is tied to "baseball" from staring in one of the great baseball movies of all time. The bottom line is that it is a business and if you want to enjoy it, you've got to move beyond the BS of fans, and passion and "for the game" and accept "for the dollar". And, BTW, college football fans should get used to it because it ain't gonna get any better.
I think ownership shit the bed on changing the name. There could have been a lot of cool things to do, with the Tribes, then changing the name. Now, the tribes have zero platform with which to bring native American issues to the forefront. I know, for a fact, that the Tribes agreed to be OK with the Indian name if they dropped Wahoo which was fine by me. And I spoke to protesters that didn't want them to change the name lest they have nothing to use to get PR.
My personal opinion is that it simply was considered a liability when/if they sell the team and that is why the decision was made. Bite the bullet, pay the price, position it for sale down the road to maximize profit. Follow the money.
Having said all of that, I love the "Guardians" name. It has roots to the city, will be easily leveraged for imagery, and is transferable (Indians to Guardians, the "C" to a "G"). I really liked the use of Tom Hanks because he is a Tribe fan, spent time in the city and is tied to "baseball" from staring in one of the great baseball movies of all time. The bottom line is that it is a business and if you want to enjoy it, you've got to move beyond the BS of fans, and passion and "for the game" and accept "for the dollar". And, BTW, college football fans should get used to it because it ain't gonna get any better.
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