It has to do with him being unfit to be President!
How can someone who is unfit be elected? He was elected, right?
It has to do with him being unfit to be President!
......hanging will occur in November.Start with Biden, Harris, Psaki, Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer...
Maybe they can hang them all at the same time. Six pack.....
Easily! They are elected by a delusional Trumpanzee cult who believe everything he says. If he said the Earth was flat these idiots would believe it!How can someone who is unfit be elected? He was elected, right?
Trump wanted pence hung! What a moron!......hanging will occur in November.
So is your third screen name you’re running with Dave/bob/royal/maypole/nitfan etc etc. Just another to ignore .Trump wanted pence hung! What a moron!
Well he has been right about 95% of the time. Meanwhile we know the Dems had to cheat to elect an Alzheimer PatientEasily! They are elected by a delusional Trumpanzee cult who believe everything he says. If he said the Earth was flat these idiots would believe it!
He's gotta have the worst rating of any poster in history. 22k posts and less than 800 likes. Next will be nazi and racist bs.So is your third screen name you’re running with Dave/bob/royal/maypole/nitfan etc etc. Just another to ignore .
Damn shame it didn’t succeed. First, the election was stolen. 2000 Mules proved it.Yes, we know. It was called impeachment.
I disagree. Unlawful activity can never be justified.Plus, the country would be far better if it succeeded. So would the whole damn world!
The king engaged in numerous illegal acts so the colonists engaged in another illegal act to overthrow the king. The d party engaged in numerous illegal acts for five years and continues to do so. Time to over throw them. Failing to do so will be the end of the Republic.I disagree. Unlawful activity can never be justified.
That said, I don't see any evidence that Trump did anything unlawful. He pursued all of his legal options and tried to convince Pence to act with questionable legal grounds but that in itself doesn't seem unlawful. Some might say immoral and unpresidential but I don't see it as unlawful.
Easily! They are elected by a delusional Trumpanzee cult who believe everything he says. If he said the Earth was flat these idiots would believe it!
Maybe they are intelligent and simply appreciate policy that helps the American people. All of them. Gay ones, black ones, ones that love Satin......
For example, let's look at the Census results from 2019.
It’s Official: Trump Unleashed A Middle-Class Boom That Benefited Women, Minorities Most
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/09/...ss-boom-that-benefited-women-minorities-most/
I agree with many conservative policies and would love to see Nikki Haley run. It's Trump who is a chronic liar and anti patriot that I cannot support!![]()
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020
Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s "the least racist person." His history suggests otherwise.www.vox.com
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Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020
Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s "the least racist person." His history suggests otherwise.www.vox.com
Biden is terrible and so is Trump and both are way to old to be President! Nikki Haley!!!And??
Joe Biden didn't just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause in schools, experts say.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...mise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626
Joe Biden worried in 1977 that certain de-segregation policies would cause his children to grow up 'in a racial jungle'
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7
Biden’s History of Getting Away With Racist Remarks
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/bidens-history-getting-away-racist-remarks
‘Lock the S.O.B.s Up’: Joe Biden and the Era of Mass Incarceration
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/joe-biden-crime-laws.html
But I digress........... My point was about policy.
Biden is terrible and so is Trump and both are way to old to be President! Nikki Haley!!!
Royal/maypole/nitfan must be hard to keep straight in your responses.I'll go there. In more ways than one.
Only by someone who is learning disabled!Royal/maypole/nitfan must be hard to keep straight in your responses.
No, 2000 mules has been shown to be total BS. Just like all things maga.Damn shame it didn’t succeed. First, the election was stolen. 2000 Mules proved it.
Plus, the country would be far better if it succeeded. So would the whole damn world!
Have yet to hear anything showing 2000 Mules was BS. In fact, it is likely there were twice that many mules. And Arizona has several mules that came forward and are cooperating since they were identified in the movie. Stay tuned.No, 2000 mules has been shown to be total BS. Just like all things maga.
A Clear and Present Danger = maga/trumpism
Shown by whom? VOX? Mother Jones? MSNBC?No, 2000 mules has been shown to be total BS. Just like all things maga.
A Clear and Present Danger = maga/trumpism
Have yet to hear anything showing 2000 Mules was BS. In fact, it is likely there were twice that many mules. And Arizona has several mules that came forward and are cooperating since they were identified in the movie. Stay tuned.
Actions after election show unfit behaviors.How can someone who is unfit be elected? He was elected, right?
This is what an insurrection/coup attempt looks like.
Trump Advisor Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon Planned to Overturn Biden’s Electoral Win
A former Trump White House official says he and right-wing provocateur Steve Bannon were actually behind the last-ditch, coordinated effort by rogue Republicans in Congress to halt certification of the 2020 election results and keep President Donald Trump in power earlier this year, in a plan dubbed the “Green Bay Sweep.”
In his recently published memoir, Peter Navarro, then-President Donald Trump’s trade advisor, details how he stayed in close contact with Bannon as they put “Green Bay Sweep” in motion with help from members of Congress loyal to the cause.
But in an interview last week with The Daily Beast, Navarro shed additional light on his role in the operation and their coordination with politicians like Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX).
“We spent a lot of time lining up over 100 congressmen, including some senators. It started out perfectly. At 1 p.m., Gosar and Cruz did exactly what was expected of them,” Navarro told The Daily Beast. “It was a perfect plan. And it all predicated on peace and calm on Capitol Hill. We didn’t even need any protestors, because we had over 100 congressmen committed to it.”
That commitment appeared as Congress was certifying the 2020 Electoral College votes reflecting that Joe Biden beat Trump. Sen. Cruz signed off on Congressman Gosar’s official objection to counting Arizona’s electoral ballots, an effort that was supported by dozens of other Trump loyalists.
Staffers for Cruz and Gosar did not respond to requests for comment. There’s no public indication whether the Jan. 6 Committee has sought testimony or documents from Sen. Cruz or Rep. Gosar. But the committee has only recently begun to seek evidence from fellow members of Congress who were involved in the general effort to keep Trump in the White House, such as Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) and Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA).
This last-minute maneuvering never had any chance of actually decertifying the election results on its own, a point that Navarro quickly acknowledges. But their hope was to run the clock as long as possible to increase public pressure on then-Vice President Mike Pence to send the electoral votes back to six contested states, where Republican-led legislatures could try to overturn the results. And in their mind, ramping up pressure on Pence would require media coverage. While most respected news organizations refused to regurgitate unproven conspiracy theories about widespread election fraud, this plan hoped to force journalists to cover the allegations by creating a historic delay to the certification process.
“The Green Bay Sweep was very well thought out. It was designed to get us 24 hours of televised hearings,” he said. “But we thought that we could bypass the corporate media by getting this stuff televised.”
Navarro’s part in this ploy was to provide the raw materials, he said in an interview on Thursday. That came in the form of a three-part White House report he put together during his final weeks in the Trump administration with volume titles like, “The Immaculate Deception” and “The Art of the Steal.”
“My role was to provide the receipts for the 100 congressmen or so who would make their cases… who could rely in part on the body of evidence I'd collected,” he told The Daily Beast. “To lay the legal predicate for the actions to be taken.” (Ultimately, states have not found any evidence of electoral fraud above the norm, which is exceedingly small.)
The next phase of the plan was up to Bannon, Navarro describes in his memoir, In Trump Time.
“Steve Bannon’s role was to figure out how to use this information—what he called ‘receipts’—to overturn the election result. That’s how Steve had come up with the Green Bay Sweep idea,” he wrote.
“The political and legal beauty of the strategy was this: by law, both the House of Representatives and the Senate must spend up to two hours of debate per state on each requested challenge. For the six battleground states, that would add up to as much as twenty-four hours of nationally televised hearings across the two chambers of Congress.
His book also notes that Bannon was the first person he communicated with when he woke up at dawn on Jan. 6, writing, “I check my messages and am pleased to see Steve Bannon has us fully ready to implement our Green Bay Sweep on Capitol Hill. Call the play. Run the play.”
Navarro told The Daily Beast he felt fortunate that someone cancelled his scheduled appearance to speak to Trump supporters that morning at the Ellipse, a park south of the White House that would serve as a staging area before the violent assault on the U.S. Capitol building.
“It was better for me to spend that morning working on the Green Bay Sweep. Just checking to see that everything was in line, that congressmen were on board,” he said during the interview. “It was a pretty mellow morning for me. I was convinced everything was set in place.”
Later that day, Bannon made several references to the football-themed strategy on his daily podcast, War Room Pandemic.
"We are right on the cusp of victory,” Bannon said on the show. “It's quite simple. Play's been called. Mike Pence, run the play. Take the football. Take the handoff from the quarterback. You've got guards in front of you. You've got big, strong people in front of you. Just do your duty."
This idea was weeks in the making. Although Navarro told The Daily Beast he doesn’t remember when “Brother Bannon” came up with the plan, he said it started taking shape as Trump’s “Stop the Steal” legal challenges to election results in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin fizzled out. Courts wouldn’t side with Trump, thanks to what Navarro describes in his book as “the highly counterproductive antics” of Sydney Powell and her Kraken lawsuits. So instead, they came up with a never-before-seen scheme through the legislative branch.
Navarro starts off his book’s chapter about the strategy by mentioning how “Stephen K. Bannon, myself, and President Donald John Trump” were “the last three people on God’s good Earth who want to see violence erupt on Capitol Hill,” as it would disrupt their plans.
When asked if Trump himself was involved in the strategy, Navarro said, “I never spoke directly to him about it. But he was certainly on board with the strategy. Just listen to his speech that day. He’d been briefed on the law, and how Mike [Pence] had the authority to it.”
Indeed, Trump legal advisor John Eastman had penned a memo (first revealed by journalists Robert Costa and Bob Woodward in their book, Peril) outlining how Trump could stage a coup. And Trump clearly referenced the plan during his Jan. 6 speech, when he said, “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so… all Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”
When Pence certified the electoral votes instead, he became what Navarro’s book described as “the Brutus most responsible… for the final betrayal of President Trump.”
Although the bipartisan House committee investigating the violence on Jan. 6 has demanded testimony and records from dozens of Trump allies and rally organizers believed to be involved in the attack on the nation’s democracy, Navarro said he hasn’t heard from them yet. The committee did not respond to our questions about whether it intends to dig into Navarro’s activities.
And while he has text messages, phone calls, and memos that could show how closely an active White House official was involved in the effort to keep Trump in power, he says investigators won’t find anything that shows the Green Bay Sweep plan involved violence. Instead, Navarro said, the investigative committee would find that the mob’s attack on the U.S. Capitol building actually foiled their plans, because it incentivized Pence and other Republicans to follow through with certification.
“They don’t want any part of me. I exonerate Trump and Bannon,” he said.
The committee is, however, engaged in a bitter battle with Bannon. The former Trump White House chief strategist refused to show up for a deposition or turn over documents, and he’s now being prosecuted by the Justice Department for criminal contempt of Congress.
Navarro said he’s still surprised that people at the Trump rally turned violent, given the impression he got when he went to see them in person during an exercise run that morning.
“I’m telling you man, it was just so peaceful. I saw no anger. None. Zero,” he said.
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Fact Check-Does ‘2000 Mules’ provide evidence of voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. presidential election?
A documentary directed by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza claims it can prove widespread fraud was carried out during the 2020 presidential election in the United States. Reuters Fact Check examined the main claims presented in the film and did not find any concrete...www.reuters.com
Actually no, someone rendered their opinion and you're dumb enough to take them at their word.No, 2000 mules has been shown to be total BS. Just like all things maga.
A Clear and Present Danger = maga/trumpism
Actions after election show unfit behaviors.
FIFYAccording to the partisan leftist Democrat committee hearings…Actions after election show unfit behaviors.
Trumper fact check is useless!Reuters Fact Check. That's priceless.
LdN
2000 mules is 2000 pounds of pure bullsh*t !!!Trumper fact check is useless!
It’s obvious you didn’t see the film as they dealt with these Reuter’s claims straight up.![]()
Fact Check-Does ‘2000 Mules’ provide evidence of voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. presidential election?
A documentary directed by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza claims it can prove widespread fraud was carried out during the 2020 presidential election in the United States. Reuters Fact Check examined the main claims presented in the film and did not find any concrete...www.reuters.com
And how about in 2016 the knuckleheads in Hollywood with their commercials begging the elector's to "do the right thing" HmmmYou should look up the definition of a coup.
Were the democrats who refused to certify electors in 2016 attempting a coup?
Were Democrats who funded a fake dossier in Hope's of removing Trump from office attempting a coup?
Who General Milley? Yeah ok.Totally confirmed so you are wrong! Generals heard him say this!
Shown by whom, the left wing media, the democrats, Hollywood?No, 2000 mules has been shown to be total BS. Just like all things maga.
A Clear and Present Danger = maga/trumpism
Lurker: Your posts are generally much more reasonable and moderate than those of most of your conservative brethren, for which you deserve some credit. The above post is no exception, but it nonetheless prompted me to respond.There is never any excuse for violence. Navarro seems to make that clear whether you believe him or not. He seems only to outline a plan to stretch the limits of the constitution. I don’t like that either but there were many aspects of the elections I did not like. Zuckerberg spending $500 million in targeted payments and universal mail in ballots being two.
Anyway, I think the plan was wrong. But everyone should remember how much planning and gameplanning the dems put into the election in order to gain power. They even gameplanned secession as a possible solution to a loss. Dems actually considered secession of blue states if they lost. Secession.
Dems played to win at all costs. I think they did some bad things to win. Some were legal, but still bad, and some were illegal but the courts refused to intervene. Dems set the tone and the Republicans fell into the trap of trying to replicate their tactics and they will pay dearly.
Like yours are remotely, reasonable. You specifically stated Trump would be in jail over a year ago. You bought into the Georgia voting law lies because you never read it. You bought into the dossier. You're nothing but a clown.Lurker: Your posts are generally much more reasonable and moderate than those of most of your conservative brethren, for which you deserve some credit. The above post is no exception, but it nonetheless prompted me to respond.
1. Zuckerberg may well have spent $500 million on the 2020 elections, but I have not heard of that. You say he spent money on "targeted payments." What do you mean by that? You mean contributions to political action committees (i.e., PAC's)? Nothing illegal about that. Nor would Zuckerberg be alone in that if he did so. For every well heeled person donating big bucks to Democratic PAC's or campaigns, there are probably three well heeled persons donating big bucks to GOP PAC's or campaigns.
2. You say the Democrats "gameplanned secession as a possible solution to a loss" in the 2020 elections. Color me extremely skeptical of that assertion. Please provide whatever evidence you have to support it. My guess is that the best you can come up with is something anecdotal (i.e, that some isolated person spoke of secession), and you or others are extrapolating it as being a part of the Democratic Party platform.
3. You say that "Dems set the tone and Republicans fell into the trap/" So the @STOPTHESTEAL movement, Trump's refusal to concede the 2020 election, and the January 6 insurrection are all, in actual fact, the fault of Democrats, and that the hapless (and innocent) Republicans just "Fell into a trap" in doing all that stuff? C'mon ...
That is a fascinating read. By the way it was completely legal, and demolishes the entire January 6th narrative. What an irony. The D's impeach DT on now provable false claims but that is okay because it was legal but Navarro and Bannon trying completely legal means of a different type are insurrectionists. Can the trump defense call 2lyon to testify on his behalf?This is what an insurrection/coup attempt looks like.
Trump Advisor Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon Planned to Overturn Biden’s Electoral Win
A former Trump White House official says he and right-wing provocateur Steve Bannon were actually behind the [COLOR=%s]last-ditch, coordinated effort by rogue Republicans in Congress to halt certification of the 2020 election results and keep President Donald Trump in power earlier this year, in a plan dubbed the “Green Bay Sweep.”[/COLOR]
In his recently published memoir, Peter Navarro, then-President Donald Trump’s trade advisor, details how he stayed in close contact with Bannon as they put “Green Bay Sweep” in motion with help from members of Congress loyal to the cause.
But in an interview last week with The Daily Beast, Navarro shed additional light on his role in the operation and their coordination with politicians like Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX).
“We spent a lot of time lining up over 100 congressmen, including some senators. It started out perfectly. At 1 p.m., Gosar and Cruz did exactly what was expected of them,” Navarro told The Daily Beast. “It was a perfect plan. And it all predicated on peace and calm on Capitol Hill. We didn’t even need any protestors, because we had over 100 congressmen committed to it.”
That commitment appeared as Congress was certifying the 2020 Electoral College votes reflecting that Joe Biden beat Trump. Sen. Cruz signed off on Congressman Gosar’s official objection to counting Arizona’s electoral ballots, an effort that was supported by dozens of other Trump loyalists.
Staffers for Cruz and Gosar did not respond to requests for comment. There’s no public indication whether the Jan. 6 Committee has sought testimony or documents from Sen. Cruz or Rep. Gosar. But the committee has only recently begun to seek evidence from fellow members of Congress who were involved in the general effort to keep Trump in the White House, such as Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) and Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA).
This last-minute maneuvering never had any chance of actually decertifying the election results on its own, a point that Navarro quickly acknowledges. But their hope was to run the clock as long as possible to increase public pressure on then-Vice President Mike Pence to send the electoral votes back to six contested states, where Republican-led legislatures could try to overturn the results. And in their mind, ramping up pressure on Pence would require media coverage. While most respected news organizations refused to regurgitate unproven conspiracy theories about widespread election fraud, this plan hoped to force journalists to cover the allegations by creating a historic delay to the certification process.
“The Green Bay Sweep was very well thought out. It was designed to get us 24 hours of televised hearings,” he said. “But we thought that we could bypass the corporate media by getting this stuff televised.”
Navarro’s part in this ploy was to provide the raw materials, he said in an interview on Thursday. That came in the form of a three-part White House report he put together during his final weeks in the Trump administration with volume titles like, “The Immaculate Deception” and “The Art of the Steal.”
“My role was to provide the receipts for the 100 congressmen or so who would make their cases… who could rely in part on the body of evidence I'd collected,” he told The Daily Beast. “To lay the legal predicate for the actions to be taken.” (Ultimately, states have not found any evidence of electoral fraud above the norm, which is exceedingly small.)
The next phase of the plan was up to Bannon, Navarro describes in his memoir, In Trump Time.
“Steve Bannon’s role was to figure out how to use this information—what he called ‘receipts’—to overturn the election result. That’s how Steve had come up with the Green Bay Sweep idea,” he wrote.
“The political and legal beauty of the strategy was this: by law, both the House of Representatives and the Senate must spend up to two hours of debate per state on each requested challenge. For the six battleground states, that would add up to as much as twenty-four hours of nationally televised hearings across the two chambers of Congress.
His book also notes that Bannon was the first person he communicated with when he woke up at dawn on Jan. 6, writing, “I check my messages and am pleased to see Steve Bannon has us fully ready to implement our Green Bay Sweep on Capitol Hill. Call the play. Run the play.”
Navarro told The Daily Beast he felt fortunate that someone cancelled his scheduled appearance to speak to Trump supporters that morning at the Ellipse, a park south of the White House that would serve as a staging area before the violent assault on the U.S. Capitol building.
“It was better for me to spend that morning working on the Green Bay Sweep. Just checking to see that everything was in line, that congressmen were on board,” he said during the interview. “It was a pretty mellow morning for me. I was convinced everything was set in place.”
Later that day, Bannon made several references to the football-themed strategy on his daily podcast, War Room Pandemic.
"We are right on the cusp of victory,” Bannon said on the show. “It's quite simple. Play's been called. Mike Pence, run the play. Take the football. Take the handoff from the quarterback. You've got guards in front of you. You've got big, strong people in front of you. Just do your duty."
This idea was weeks in the making. Although Navarro told The Daily Beast he doesn’t remember when “Brother Bannon” came up with the plan, he said it started taking shape as Trump’s “Stop the Steal” legal challenges to election results in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin fizzled out. Courts wouldn’t side with Trump, thanks to what Navarro describes in his book as “the highly counterproductive antics” of Sydney Powell and her Kraken lawsuits. So instead, they came up with a never-before-seen scheme through the legislative branch.
Navarro starts off his book’s chapter about the strategy by mentioning how “Stephen K. Bannon, myself, and President Donald John Trump” were “the last three people on God’s good Earth who want to see violence erupt on Capitol Hill,” as it would disrupt their plans.
When asked if Trump himself was involved in the strategy, Navarro said, “I never spoke directly to him about it. But he was certainly on board with the strategy. Just listen to his speech that day. He’d been briefed on the law, and how Mike [Pence] had the authority to it.”
Indeed, Trump legal advisor John Eastman had penned a memo (first revealed by journalists Robert Costa and Bob Woodward in their book, Peril) outlining how Trump could stage a coup. And Trump clearly referenced the plan during his Jan. 6 speech, when he said, “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so… all Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”
When Pence certified the electoral votes instead, he became what Navarro’s book described as “the Brutus most responsible… for the final betrayal of President Trump.”
Although the bipartisan House committee investigating the violence on Jan. 6 has demanded testimony and records from dozens of Trump allies and rally organizers believed to be involved in the attack on the nation’s democracy, Navarro said he hasn’t heard from them yet. The committee did not respond to our questions about whether it intends to dig into Navarro’s activities.
And while he has text messages, phone calls, and memos that could show how closely an active White House official was involved in the effort to keep Trump in power, he says investigators won’t find anything that shows the Green Bay Sweep plan involved violence. Instead, Navarro said, the investigative committee would find that the mob’s attack on the U.S. Capitol building actually foiled their plans, because it incentivized Pence and other Republicans to follow through with certification.
“They don’t want any part of me. I exonerate Trump and Bannon,” he said.
The committee is, however, engaged in a bitter battle with Bannon. The former Trump White House chief strategist refused to show up for a deposition or turn over documents, and he’s now being prosecuted by the Justice Department for criminal contempt of Congress.
Navarro said he’s still surprised that people at the Trump rally turned violent, given the impression he got when he went to see them in person during an exercise run that morning.
“I’m telling you man, it was just so peaceful. I saw no anger. None. Zero,” he said.
Why is a 24hr televised hearing scary as shit? Unless maybe you are hiding something.SCARY AS SHIT
How many Republicans care?? Zero
I am quite surprised you never heard of Zuck bucks? further shows what different media cover i guess. How can you buy into the 2lyon post on Navarro and also buy into the Jan 6th insurrection was orchestrated by DT narrative? Navarro even says the last 3 people in the world wanting a riot at the Capitol were he Bannon and DT.Lurker: Your posts are generally much more reasonable and moderate than those of most of your conservative brethren, for which you deserve some credit. The above post is no exception, but it nonetheless prompted me to respond.
1. Zuckerberg may well have spent $500 million on the 2020 elections, but I have not heard of that. You say he spent money on "targeted payments." What do you mean by that? You mean contributions to political action committees (i.e., PAC's)? Nothing illegal about that. Nor would Zuckerberg be alone in that if he did so. For every well heeled person donating big bucks to Democratic PAC's or campaigns, there are probably three well heeled persons donating big bucks to GOP PAC's or campaigns.
2. You say the Democrats "gameplanned secession as a possible solution to a loss" in the 2020 elections. Color me extremely skeptical of that assertion. Please provide whatever evidence you have to support it. My guess is that the best you can come up with is something anecdotal (i.e, that some isolated person spoke of secession), and you or others are extrapolating it as being a part of the Democratic Party platform.
3. You say that "Dems set the tone and Republicans fell into the trap/" So the @STOPTHESTEAL movement, Trump's refusal to concede the 2020 election, and the January 6 insurrection are all, in actual fact, the fault of Democrats, and that the hapless (and innocent) Republicans just "fell into a trap" in doing all that stuff? C'mon ...