Is it likely that Bream doesn't report to Franklin and it's not Franklin's call as to his status?
Tim Bream
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Is it likely that Bream doesn't report to Franklin and it's not Franklin's call as to his status?
Is he the most powerful man in PA yet?
When is Penn State going to let you go for spending your whole work day surfing message boards??
That Piazza may have been a willing participant and, thus, has responsibility for his own actions doesn't absolve anyone else whose actions were criminal by law, Much simpler analogy: underage person purchase liquor. That underage person bought the booze willingly, but it doesn't let the person who sold him the alcohol off the hook.
I'd normally agree with you. I don't often agree with getmyjive so am on thin ice here. And we don't know what Bream was asked or told CJF, the police or anyone else
Having said that, given the optics at PSU right now, it doesn't look good. I suspect that CJF is lying low and hoping nobody asks about it. If they do, and it gets worse, I suspect he'd be suspended pending the outcome of an investigation.
Only problem with this is that Bream doesn't work for Franklin. And if there is even a hint that Franklin or any of the higher ups at PSU were covering for Bream, don't you think that Parks-Miller would be chomping at the bit to go after him/them?
So why isn't Bream being charged with obstruction of justice or tampering with/destroying evidence?
Unfortunately those of us who make decisions in the real world don't have the luxury of simply assuming that what a message board poster posits as "likely" is also what is true.
I don't think that book has been closed yet, Art. Perhaps you know better (as I don't trust the press and that is all I have to go on).
There have been tweets uncovered referring to "tim" suggesting they delete communications. There is more than one "tim" involved so it may not be him. But with 20 kids under indictment, one is going to flip. And when he flips, he may embellish the truth (as we've seen witnesses do in the past). Also, note that the DA sent the message that if anyone knew anything, they knew were to report it.
But, moreover than all of that, there are civil issues. both in terms of legal civil issues and the court of public opinion.
Yes. Should have let him go the week it happened. NO need for the PR and he is replaceable. He put himself in that situation. WTF.
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So - narrative Bream has something to hide has started. Reporter tweeting as testimony unfolds...
I have no more insight than you. I'm simply putting two and two together: if there were evidence that Tim Bream suggested that the frat boys destroy communications about the incident, I would expect him to be charged by now. Perhaps, the Center County DA's Office works on a different time line. If so, I'd like to understand why.
Another cop who knows everything. So was Bream ever served? I mean he can't be all that hard to find, even for the nimrods in State College law enforcement.
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I just can't figure for the life of me why a 50 year old professional making was living in a fraternity house.
Which means exactly what, dipstick? Cops are never wrong (we'll concede that he may, and "may" is not equal to "likely" be telling the truth here).
Zara?
Bream is the weak spot or vulnerability of the deep pocketed PSU. If there is an opening, bet you bottom dollar the lawyers will come after it.
My experience is that lawyers are trained not to show they are "agitated". And that is a pretty subjective observation.
Pretty dumb logic by the reporter. A few years ago I was dodging a PI who was trying to serve me. They wanted me to drive 300 miles to be a witness for $10 a day. No thanks.
I think this is the crux of where you and I disagree. it doesn't have to "be a crime" to cost PSU a ton (both in terms of PR and money)
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The PR is going to happen because something bad happened at PSU. PSU may fork money over, but if it does, Bream will be a footnote to it. Ultimately it will come down to the nature fraternity's affiliation with PSU and, stemming from that, the University's responsibility to oversee it (in simpler terms, how loud Tom Kline has to shout "boo" for Stephen Dunham to give him the combination to the safe). In this contest, I'd look more to the role of Damon Dim than I would Bream's.
Again, Tim Bream does not work for, or report to, James Franklin. Bream holds an "Assistant Athletic Director" title and reports to Sandy Barbour as his official PSU Bio and THIS ARTICLE clearly demonstrate. BTW, he was originally hired by the Athletic Director (Joyner at the time) in 2012 into his "Assistant AD" position, so he was hired, reports to and has always worked for the AD at PSU since Joyner hired him, so why people are saying Coach Franklin is responsible for his hiring, firing or association in any way with PSU's Athletic Department is rather bizarre. He doesn't report to Coach Franklin, nor is he part of Coach Franklin's Staff.
So you get all of that from the cop's testimony that he had a difficult time serving a subpoena on Bream?
amazing that after all that has happened at our university people still think this stuff isnt a big deal until it blows up in our faces
Oh, you mean the evidence that he didn't submit ti the DA? Or the evidence that he did submit, but that the DA felt was insufficient to file charges against Bream?
Thanks...didn't know that. Makes me feel a little better about what kind of problems CJF may experience. However, not sure the press will make sure that this issue is understood (kinda like how they made it seem JS still worked for JVP in 2011).
It may very well be a big deal, but it won't be because of Bream. It will be because of the University's inability to a) recognize the liability it incurs by sponsoring a fraternity system; and/or b) bring the frats to heel.
