They aren't a good team. We all played this game last year. They'll beat some other average to subpar teams like last year and they're lucky the Big XII is weak. As a great to elite team we did exactly what we should do against a team like WVU. Admitting they aren't good doesn't minimize the great gameplan or execution today. We all saw Greene today. Allar was even better than him creating plays in the run game.
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Yep, that's the one that surprised me. Hard to believe Urban didn't have more respect for the overall roster talent of PSU, including Drew, as compared to WVU.
PSU and particularly Drew, never really let the crowd impact the game, and I also was expecting the home field to impact the game more. But after the delay, coming off the quick TD before the half, at least half the crowd didn't come back.
No offense at all and I have seen this statement several times in the different threads, but I do not understand the logic in that statement. It’s like stating that “if you removed Babe Ruth’s 60 home runs he struggled in 1927.” Heck, if you take away Saquon’s long runs he was a below average PSU rb. Singleton is a home run hitter and it’s more important he hits more home runs than singles. We got a lot of singles last year when we needed a few hrs from our rbs.
Both backs have to consistently pick up yards though. The chunk plays were huge...2 long runs by Nick and the 20 yard score by Allen...but I think everyone including the backs and coaches want less runs of 2 or less. 3rd and long isn't good football
Will check back in as the season progresses on WVU.. but anyone who has ever been to a WVU Home Game.. especially with the hype and billing this game has had.. knows what a hornets nest Morgantown can be..our game plan was solid…first game AWAY in this atmosphere… ? Great job Lions.
The vaunted Buckeyes with their $20 million budget players.. was leading the mighty Akron at HOME 17-3 late in the third qtr… hmmm.
WVU could go through the season with only 1 loss this year…
Lol they aren't going 11-1. Stop the nonsense.
Yes it was a great game and outcome without you trying to make it into more than it was.
Ohio State struggled badly despite the score and if Howard doesn't play better we should beat them
But a tough atmosphere or not...WVU lacks talent on all levels and has an inaccurate, undersized QB.
Nick averaged 8.8 yoc. It’s probably unrealistic to ask for more than that. I would agree with you on Allen, who stutter stepped his way to 2 ypc. We hit a lot of “hrs” in the Saquon / McSorely years (with many “strikeouts” of stuffed plays) and regardless of the k’s we were a feared offense and have not been at that level of performance since.
Factoring in the long runs. Singleton was too often stuffed. It has to improve and he'd tell you that
With Saquan it was entirely different. No one respected Trace and they did everything possible to stop him. We also weren't more successful because of all the negative and empty plays
You realize the goal is to contend for a title, yes?
Today was a good first step. Lots of room to improve
Again… will check in later as the season progresses. This PSU Team is better than you are ever going to give credit to…instead of acknowledging and appreciating what we all saw today.. your response as that WVU is no good..
That was as hostile environment as they will
play or frankly any team will play in given the circumstances.. and it’s a reason why many of the experts predicted an upset…
We just disagree. Again..Will check back in in a couple of weeks.
Hard for me to make any overall comparisons on the coaches after one game. For my money I believe Diaz is as good of a DC as there is in college football. I'm looking forward to seeing Diaz give Duzzy some lessons!!
DE was deeper last season but DT is deeper this season.
Rojas looks like he could be very special as he corrects his few mistakes. He really missed a tackle on 4th?? down when all he had to do was wrap up some and push Green out of bounds instead of just touching him and fly by him.
Defense, particularly the DL was undisiplined. Just too many off sides and penalties. OL had at least one as I believe Donkoh moved. But the OL has 3 new starters and they seemed to do a great job of pass protection. Run blocking was pretty average but I believe WVU had xperienced DT's and their LB's are decent as well up the middle.
Some things to work on, but a nice start to the season.
What have a said negative about Penn State? Refusing to pretend WVU is something they aren't has nothing to do with us. We were impressive. I've praised the team a ton. Great gameplan. Great execution. Elite secondary. Found a #1 WR. Allar took huge strides. Singleton had much need splash plays. The list goes on
We dont disagree. You're wrong. WVU isn't a good team.
No Lando, I do not realize that a title is the goal. I had no idea. Thanks for the info.
Those teams were not more successful because we were still recovering from the sanctions and the defense was suspect. Combine that offense with 2023 or 2024 defense and we have another natty.
They weren't more successful for lots of reasons but there were way too many empty plays. And no even with our defense the last two years they aren't winning a title without a upgrade on the OL and at QB
LOL..stating in your opinion that WVU is not a very good team.. discounts this win. Execution. Play calling etc. We won. Against a team that billed this game as their National Championship game. Again.. a number of the experts predicted an upset based on the environment , momentum of the program , talent etc WVU has…we just disagree. And that’s ok.
We don't disagree. You're wrong. Just like the analysts that listed to McAfee.
This insane belief this board has that you can only be impressive if the other team is good is the problem. We did exactly what we should have today. The talent gap between us and WVU is crazy. 3 years ago we might have lost but that tells you how far we've come as a program.
Allen showed you today what I've been saying for a year now. Garrett Greene is inaccurate and a very below average QB. Our entire gameplan was to try to force him to beat us throwing the ball which he can't do. Against anyone. The difference is "we are so good" that we could execute the plan while allowing our secondary to play a ton of man with no feat.
The inability to comprehend what we did today is what a great team does to a team as average as WVU indicates your bias is blinding you.
If WVU doesn't win 11 games we'll see if you admit you're wrong...that could happen in 2 weeks as their fans on this board have already said. One said they'll be about 7-5 but yeah 11-1 lol
9 Hours ago, their fans believed they were playoff bound and prepared to steamroll us...
Agree...on all counts. Good win today against a good team in a tough environment.
But cut Lando some slack. He's very emotionally invested in the West-Virginia-sucks spiel as his 900 posts on the topic attest.
And I was right---did I get anything wrong about what would happen today? Anything about Greene, their "vaunted" secondary or their run game? Or maybe us losing?
Maybe they were just too close to McAfee and got a contact high from it
Desmond Howard is an F’ing idiot and you could get rich picking the opposite of what that moron picks - UM must have really lowered the bar for him to get into “The Harvard of the Midwest” lol
Here’s the logic: having a consistent ground game is critical in big game games. Need to give the D time off the field and stay fresh. It really helps burn the clock when you have a lead late in games. It wears down opposition Ds. Teams start to over play the run allowing long pass plays. And it demoralizes the hell out of teams.
See Michigan 2023. See Michigan 2022. See Illinois in the eight over time game.
WVU is nor a BAD Team - give your stupidity a rest.
There's no stupidity involved here. Watch them. This is the same nonsense as last year. They won't beat anyone with a pulse this year
What we did was impressive today. The other team doesn't have to be good for you to get an impressive win. See Miami over Florida
Name one thing I was wrong about in what I said about WVU other than you just look at a record to determine if someone is good
I have said the same thing about spreading the ball around amongst WRs. Better defenses will take Wallace III away and then what if Allar hasn't worked to spread the ball around.
Agree on FG kicking. Not reliable and that can cost a game(s).
I think DDS primary task was to hold contan on the edge and prevent Greene from breaking free.
I honestly thought WVU was better than they showed. PSU dominated them as you predicted.
Again, the STARTING kicker is having problems. This doesn't mean the KICKING is a problem. This means the kid they gave the job to FIRST, AGAIN, is having problems.
Last year they changed after halftime I the first game, and they were fine. There are 5 kickers on the roster. If the kid keeps snap hooking everything next week, there are at least two excellent kickers ready to step up.
Jesus you guys are acting like we are Juniata College or Lock Haven 😂 😂 😂. This is elite, big time football and when your starter can't do it you bench him and put in the next guy and fix it. Have a little faith.
Last year they changed after halftime I the first game, and they were fine. There are 5 kickers on the roster. If the kid keeps snap hooking everything next week, there are at least two excellent kickers ready to step up.
Jesus you guys are acting like we are Juniata College or Lock Haven 😂 😂 😂. This is elite, big time football and when your starter can't do it you bench him and put in the next guy and fix it. Have a little faith.
It was obvious our defense was more athletic, faster and simply more talented than their offense. To get their first half 6 points they needed a miracle grab that is probably made 2 or 3 out of 10. Then the other 3 points were gifted after a horrible spot and review by incompetent refs and replay officials.
The thing I am most pleased about is Allar's development in terms of maturity and decisions. He seemed very ready for the moment and that gives me confidence going forward. We will need to start spreading the ball out more among the WRs. Fleming is a mystery to me. I think he earned the #3 WR position last year at OSU with a loaded WR room. Yet at PSU he can't crack the starting lineup? We will see what happens with the WRs moving forward. I do know Wallace asserted himself as a dominant and legitimate #1 which is great.
As for DDS, I was not focused on him but I know he didn't have a bad game. Just waiting for a big breakout performance on par with his 5 star billing.
The kicker legitimately concerns me. We have to have a reliable kicker or this will bite us down the road. The kick he missed had absolutely no pressure, it was like a practice kick. Half full stadium, nothing on the line and he hooks it badly. To quote Franklin...."Gotta clean that up".
Not concerned at all about Fleming or pass distribution. Fleming started and he and Wallace ran nice combo routes of the first TD. Only 18 total passes, 2 were throw aways and a couple others where they were designed for the RB or TE. Tough to spread the ball out if #1 is open and you only throw a dozen passes
Yep. Four fumbles in the first half really hurt them. It looked like they wanted to attack us with some direct snap jet sweeps. After several fumbles, they abandoned that plan.
You were right about how the game would play out, and I'm glad you were...but you were wrong...and still are...in making out West Virginia's supposed suckiness as the main factor governing the outcome. It's not that they're horrible. It's that we're apparently darn good. Some things to work on...but still good.
I, on the other hand, was right that the game posed an obvious challenge: opening the season on the road in that environment against a team that won 9 games last year and is hoping to at least match that record in 2024. I also said that we might win with room to spare but if that happened, it would be credit to us...not discredit to West Virginia.
No question, you were more confident than I, and your confidence proved to be justified. But experience shows that it's better to be under-confident and pleasantly surprised than over-confident and unpleasantly surprised.
I was confident because of how good we are along with WVU being a mid-level Big XII team.
I dont see the fun in setting expectations lower than they should be so you aren't disappointed.
What did you see from WVU yesterday that impressed you? It's an honest question. The hype around them never made sense. It was a one man hype machine that started his crusade last year.
The poster is not only a posing-troll, he's a dipshit. He wants to eliminate Singleton's 2 best carries out of only 13 total carries and then calculate an average??? No statistician would do this as it clearly skews the average - if you're going to eliminate the two best carries, you also have to eliminate the two worst carries before calculating the average on the reduced pool to avoid skewing the stat and making it statistically invalid due to "cherry picking" of data to create the result you want (i.e., cherry picking the worst 11 of 13 carries rather than the middle 9 if you're going to normalize by eliminating two best and worst outliers). If you want to do it correctly, Singleton's normalized ypc eliminating two best and worst outliers was 4.0 ypc (36 yards on 9 carries). Hardly the picture dipshit is trying to paint - in fact, 8 of Singleton's 13 runs went for 4-or-more yards (5, 7, 4, 4, 40, 4, 40, 7). Somehow troll-boys bullshit about Singleton being stopped for 2-or-less yards on all his carries outside the two 40 yard carries is proven bullshit nonsense - go figure. The moron is such an obvious laughable troll.....
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You having me on ignore clearly means you don't know what I said lol
