The Michigan Wolverines only have 9 seasons of 11+ wins. And 4 of those seasons are from 1901-1905.
As a comparison, Penn State has 17 seasons of 11+ wins.
As a comparison, Penn State has 17 seasons of 11+ wins.
Today I learned, Michigan has...
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90%+ of Michigan's relevance is good marketing.
I hate giving Urbs credit, but he makes for a good counterpoint. He had as many 12 win seasons just at OSU as Michigan has had 11 win seasons in the last 114 years.
Heard the same thing...was it Klatt who said it? He was making the point that Jimmah actually has meatchicken at their traditional norm right now, making it crazy for them to want to run him out of town.
Good one, Michigan man!! See ya next year.
Most stats can be manipulated to support about anything. We beat Michigan this year. That's all that should matter right now.
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Who gives a f? You either have 11 or 12 for nearly 100 years of cfb.
Can you let us know how many 8 win seasons the ‘great Michigan program’ has? I’m dying to know.
exactly, 8, 10, 11, the premise is stupid. You can slice and dice a myriad of ways.
we beat them last is what matters right now and hopefully they are the most recent step towards a perfect season.
Yeah, but we were only beating Temple, Syracuse, Md, and WV every year.....so a much easier schedule.
Yeah, but we were only beating Temple, Syracuse, Md, and WV every year.....so a much easier schedule.
I was just about to say imagine how many more we'd have if we were allowed to beat up on the little 8 for 100 years
How about undefeated seasons. They have 1 in like 70 years. During the Bo years they lost to anyone who had a pulse. By far the most overrated blue blood program in college football
Omg, what a doofus. The goal of cfb for 100 years was to win 11 or 12 games.
I know NW, Purdue and pick any b10 school were so awesome. Michigan was amazing!Yeah, but we were only beating Temple, Syracuse, Md, and WV every year.....so a much easier schedule.
FWIW .... regarding the Big 10 vs our eastern opponents prior to B10 affiliation
the poster Quez back on FOS did a study on how our old eastern rivals fared against the little 8 head to head. It was overwhelmingly in favor of the eastern schools.
the big 10 in the 60s thru 80s was awful
the poster Quez back on FOS did a study on how our old eastern rivals fared against the little 8 head to head. It was overwhelmingly in favor of the eastern schools.
the big 10 in the 60s thru 80s was awful
They have 15 since 1900, we have 11.
they have 4 in the last 70 years with 1948 being the 4th. We have 5.
oddly enough, we were both undefeated in 1947.
So you're counting their season with 3 ties as an undefeated season?
I guess it technically is but for someone harping on context, that's an interesting omission.
How about undefeated, untied seasons?
From the same segment I believe the point that Klatt was trying to make was that while they’ve won a lot of games, they rarely stacked them into the kind of eras like Bama is going through when they were perennial champions. To that point, Jimmah is currently doing what meatchicken has traditionally done.
If you're counting 1948 as 70 years ago and not 71. Next year it's 5 to 1 good guys.
Regardless, those numbers are telling. Michigan has been a good, not great, modern college football program
Cute seeing zubrus pretending to be a PSU fan. More evidence of just how weak Michigan is right now.
The bottom line is: who are these people to talk down to us like we've never seen anything? Like we just showed up in the early 90s hoping for an opportunity?
As it has been said so eloquently before, they don't have the tradition to hold our nuts. F michigan and The Michigan Man.
As it has been said so eloquently before, they don't have the tradition to hold our nuts. F michigan and The Michigan Man.
The 11 wins was bring bantered about by Joel Klatt and other media. It’s nit like anyone here picked the number at random.
Just as s matter of discussion -Penn State did away with athletic scholarships for a period of time between the world wars. Not sure that other schools did. So they were not getting the best talent and therefore not the best records.
That’s should be depressing to all Michigan fans. Only an idiot would attempt to make a silk purse out of that sows ear of stats.
Not sure if already mentioned, but one thing to remember is that up until the early 1970s, the B10 only allowed one team to go to a bowl game(the B10 champ). So, there were probably a lot of years that a decent Michigan team was denied a chance at getting an extra win in a bowl game because they did not win the B10.
I would say that the above is not accurate at all.
Here are the actual stats from 1940-1990 for the following schools:
BC, Maryland, Pitt, Rutgers, Temple, Syracuse, West Virginia VS. Ill, Ind, Iowa, MSU, Minn, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin
Eastern Schools: 33 wins, 69 losses, 4 ties.
vs:
Illinois: 4-14
Indiana: 6-13
Iowa: 2-2
MSU: 4-20-3
Minn: 2-7
NU: 8-7
Purdue: 3-4
Wisconsin: 4-2-1
Happy to provide different cuts if needed
In other words, um was spared more bowl losses.
Also worth remembering that PSU didn't start playing 10-Game Regular Seasons until 1959 I believe and didn't start playing 12-Game Regular Seasons until 1971 I believe. Michigan played thirteen 10, 11 and even 12 game seasons between 1881 and 1905.
Now that’s an important data point. If true, I’m surprised Zubrus didn’t have it at the ready
Big 2 vs little 8 from 1900-1990
644-251-47, nice 68.4% winning percentage
Penn State vs. Eastern Schools
220-80-13, nice 70.3% winning percentage
remove Pitt and its 177-39-9, 78.7% winning percentage
Yup. Keep going back to leather helmet days and the stats are gonna say exactly what you want them to.
Do 1966 to 1992....JoePa era before we joined the Big Ten....
We had a poster (Front Range....whatever happened to him?) that did the analysis once....
Penn State 1900-1992 against the "original big 10".
Wins: 16
Losses: 17
Ties: 2
Ill: 3-1
Iowa: 6-3
MSU:1-8-1
OSU: 6-2
Purdue- 0-1-1
Wisconsin- 0-2
Thankfully we were able to beat up on those Buckeyes!
Bingo!! Now we are getting somewhere.
1966-1992
Eastern Schools vs. Little 8.
28-18-2
Ill: 4-6
Ind: 4-3
Iowa: 1-1
MSU: 3-5-1
Minn: 3-0
North: 8-2
Purdue: 2-0
Wis: 3-1-1
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