Michigan is a storied leather helmet program, similar to Pitt. Combined 1.5 National championships since WWII
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Michigan is a storied leather helmet program, similar to Pitt. Combined 1.5 National championships since WWII
6 of Michigan's 10+ game winning seasons are from this period. 4 of Michigan's 11+ game winning seasons are from this period.
Except $10M doesn't bring expectations of "traditional norms," especially in light of his "success" at SF and Stanford.
Big ten Champs since 2005
PSU = 3
UM = 0
This includes PSU going through the completely unfair and ridiculous sanctions.
PSU = 3
UM = 0
This includes PSU going through the completely unfair and ridiculous sanctions.
We had back to back 11 win seasons in 2016-17. Michigan hasn’t done that since the Wright Brothers took flight and the last of the War of 1812 Veterans died out.
So you have 16 or 17 10 win seasons? How many since 1950? How many of those ended in Rose Bowl losses or with no bowl game at all since if you couldn't beat Ohio State or whoever the Big Ten champ was that year you didn't get to go to a bowl game through about 1975? Asking for a friend.
They need more than a big name head coach to do this. Like PSU, they are playing catch-up with their facilities and assistant pay compared to OSU. Like PSU, they have a significant portion of their admin that feels athletics needs to be deemphasized.
OSU and Clemson and Bama don't have to deal with this nonsense, it's why Franklin talks about the need for an administration - up to and including the school president - to be entirely aligned behind becoming a championship football program.
I'm afraid you're quite wrong - PSU did not play 8 11-Game Regular Seasons from 1896 - 1905. They played 11 games in 1899, 1900 and 1905. Michigan played 11+ game seasons 6 times prior to 1906 (11-Game Seasons in 1894, 1901, 1902, 1903. 12-Game Season in 1892 and a 13-Game Season in 1905.).
Not wrong, you just mis-read/interpreted.
"Penn State played 8-11 game seasons from 1896-1905." In other words, from 1896-1905, Penn State played seasons that consisted of either 8, 9, 10 or 11 games.
Look, Michigan started playing 11-Game Regular Seasons the exact same year PSU did - 1971. So stop trying to twist the facts. scUM played 13 10+ game regular seasons prior to 1920, PSU played 9 in this period. Precisely ZERO of PSU's 10+ win seasons are from this period, while 6 of scUM's 10+ win seasons are from this irrelevant period (and 4 of their 11+ win seasons are from this period).
I'm pretty sure most College football fans know Michigan is by far the most overated program in college.
My critical thinking is fine. My point is that Michigan may have a number of 10 (and only 10) win seasons, but they usually ended in losses in their biggest games or they didn't even represent the conference in a bowl, so I don't find them as impressive as they might sound. From 1972-74, Michigan went 30-2-1 and didn't even make a bowl game because they couldn't beat Ohio State, which lost in the Rose Bowl 2 out of 3 of those years. To be fair, the year Michigan tied tOSU for a 10-0-1 season (1973) was the year tOSU won the following Rose Bowl in that stretch. From 1976-1978 the skunk bears were 10-2 each year with a loss in the Rose Bowl. They were 10-2 in 1980 and actually won the Rose bowl. They went 10-1-1 in 1985, winning the Fiesta Bowl. They were 10-2 in 1989 (unbeaten in the Big 10), again losing the Rose Bowl. They were 10-2 in 1991 with a Rose Bowl loss and a 51-31 beatdown from Florida State at home. And 10-3 with a Rose Bowl loss in 2003. Penn State had 10-2 seasons in 1972,1974,1980,1981 and 1993 and 10-3 in 1999. They only lost one of those bowl games (1972 to Oklahoma). The 1981 and 1993 seasons ended with bowl game wins that set the tone for a national-championship in 1982 and unbeaten season in 1994. Penn State doesn't have a lot of 10 and only 10 win seasons because if they won 10 they usually got to 11. Michigan has been successful, but not as successful as you would think based on the hype. They've had 4 AP top 3 finishes since 1950. Penn State has had 9.
No, but Harbizzle cannot complete normal sentences. For $7M a year, I would think one would need to be able to hold a press conference replete with full sentences and not sound completely inept, idiotic and sociopathic
agree with everything you said. Per one of my recent posts, you compare Penn State to Michigan 1950 or JoePa forward, we are undoubtedly the stronger program. You go back to 1869 and it’s not as clear cut.
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Data mining:
If you changed the stat to 10 win seasons-
Michigan 29
Penn State 22
Both teams with wonderful histories.
I would say in the overall Michigan’s is marginally better.
Would need to check Heismans, major bowl victories, avg season rankings etc.. someone else can do that, I’ll just repeat both have great histories.
Thanks, I can speak but can’t write “yinzer”I think you mean “n’at” and “dahn-tahn”
All of these different comparisons are interesting, I guess. But it boils down to which CF program has the most all-time wins. You just can't take different segments for comparison - need to compare the total package. With that said, the greatest CF program of all time is …….drum roll......The University of Michigan who has 40+ more wins than 2nd place sucknuts. In fact, UM owns the sucknuts all-time 58-50 - case closed ! BOOM !
Yeah, but we were only beating Temple, Syracuse, Md, and WV every year.....so a much easier schedule.
B.S.!!!
We'll revisit this post in 8 years. If present trends continue they'll pass you on both fronts.
I spoke with some LT scUM fans after the game ... their view is that Jimmah is not going anywhere. They like him as the coach
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