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Football Trace McSorely joins PSU coaching staff

Good/great QB's are virtually coaches on the field for the offense anyhow so the transition should not be too difficult.

Welcome aboard and the best of luck to Coach Trace in his new endeavor!

I mentioned in another thread to observe for a trend of successful former players returning to coach at their alma mater. I believe that Pat
White has recently joined Rich Rod's staff at WVU.

Loyal coaches can beget more loyal players and provide more continuity that will be a vital component of programs that are successful year in and year out.
 
A very very rare thing is happening on this thread. All positive comments. No bitching, whining or second guessing. Luv it. Luv what’s happening with PSU football. And luv bringing Trace back. Awesome addition.
 
QB Analyst. He and Saquon have represented PSU so well after great careers— Having Trace help break down film with Drew and help him with the mental part for big games will be invaluable. He brings moxie and confidence to the QB room and a winning attitude!! Saquon’s busy but I hope he drops by when he can to motivate the incredible group of RBs we have. He and Trace are close.
 
QB Analyst. He and Saquon have represented PSU so well after great careers— Having Trace help break down film with Drew and help him with the mental part for big games will be invaluable. He brings moxie and confidence to the QB room and a winning attitude!! Saquon’s busy but I hope he drops by when he can to motivate the incredible group of RBs we have. He and Trace are close.
Thanks.
 
I have watched him on some of the CF shows. He seems like a cool guy . Without insider knowledge , I REALLY like how CJF handles hiring/locker room chemistry with coaches. The kids all talk up the vibe at PSU . Love this hire .
 
You're kidding, right?
No, I'm not Allar has one season left and his abilities are what they are. He made his most improvement early this past season and then as the season went imo it started to go back the other way at times. We can blame that on a lack of receivers or whatever we want but the end result was the same. So given our Rec situation how much improvement can we expect this year. Also the guy waiting in the wings is more apt to be more like TM in his abilities than Allar. While Allar is the guy bar none this is the year many will be thinking about the future at the position and it's only natural. I'm glad TM will be in place more for the backup guy than Allar because Allar is totally intrenched as the QB. But if TM can somehow make a big difference for Allar then YEA win win.
 
No, I'm not Allar has one season left and his abilities are what they are. He made his most improvement early this past season and then as the season went imo it started to go back the other way at times. We can blame that on a lack of receivers or whatever we want but the end result was the same. So given our Rec situation how much improvement can we expect this year. Also the guy waiting in the wings is more apt to be more like TM in his abilities than Allar. While Allar is the guy bar none this is the year many will be thinking about the future at the position and it's only natural. I'm glad TM will be in place more for the backup guy than Allar because Allar is totally intrenched as the QB. But if TM can somehow make a big difference for Allar then YEA win win.
Oh, that next guy. I thought you were talking about the next offensive coordinator. Vagueness causes confusion.
 
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No, I'm not Allar has one season left and his abilities are what they are. He made his most improvement early this past season and then as the season went imo it started to go back the other way at times. We can blame that on a lack of receivers or whatever we want but the end result was the same. So given our Rec situation how much improvement can we expect this year. Also the guy waiting in the wings is more apt to be more like TM in his abilities than Allar. While Allar is the guy bar none this is the year many will be thinking about the future at the position and it's only natural. I'm glad TM will be in place more for the backup guy than Allar because Allar is totally intrenched as the QB. But if TM can somehow make a big difference for Allar then YEA win win.
QBs aren't perfect. While there is this McSorley love fest, let's not forget that he threw some really bad INTs in the Rose Bowl against USC and also threw a really bad pick to lose the game against Pitt all while having the best RB in the history of Penn State football and several NFL quality WRs.

It is so funny how people choose to remember great players once they are gone.
 
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QBs are perfect. While there is this McSorley love fest, let's not forget that he threw some really bad INTs in the Rose Bowl against USC and also threw a really bad pick to lose the game against Pitt all while having the best RB in the history of Penn State football and several NFL quality WRs.

It is so funny how people choose to remember great players once they are gone.
Your point is noted. However, I am not necessarily convinced that being a GREAT QB who never throws picks in big games is necessarily proof (or even relevant evidence) that a person is qualified to coach.

Herschel Walker and OJ Simpson were world class players, but--unless I missed it-- nobody, including them, ever saw them as coaches.
 
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Your point is noted. However, I am not necessarily convinced that being a GREAT QB who never throws picks in big games is necessarily proof (or even relevant evidence) that a person is qualified to coach.

Herschel Walker and OJ Simpson were world class palyers, but--unless I missed it-- nobody, including them, ever saw them as coaches.
Agreed.

And to win, you've got to take chances. For a QB, it is throwing into a tight window and letting your player make a play. Having too low of interceptions means you haven't been aggressive enough. Once, As my small company was being considered for acquisition, one of the board members asked how many outstanding lawsuits we had. We proudly said "zero". He laughed and said, "this is why this acquisition is good. You guys just weren't trying enough."

But having said all of that, McSorley made some bad decisions and bad throws. But everyone forgets that.
 
Agreed.

And to win, you've got to take chances. For a QB, it is throwing into a tight window and letting your player make a play. Having too low of interceptions means you haven't been aggressive enough. Once, As my small company was being considered for acquisition, one of the board members asked how many outstanding lawsuits we had. We proudly said "zero". He laughed and said, "this is why this acquisition is good. You guys just weren't trying enough."

But having said all of that, McSorley made some bad decisions and bad throws. But everyone forgets that.
One of the problems with great players as coaches is that they do not understand how those who are not blessed with fabulous athletic skills like they are can ever succeed, I think. For example, imagine Patrick Mahomes as a qb coach. His job is NOT to make his players into the Second Coming, it is to find the avenue where this qb can succeed, even if his QB's skills are non-Mahomes skills. Also I think he would fail because...he is a dick.
 
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One of the problems with great players as coaches is that they do not understand how those who are not blessed with fabulous athletic skills like they are can ever succeed, I think. For example, imagine Patrick Mahomes as a qb coach. His job is NOT to make his players into the Second Coming, it is to find the avenue where this qb can succeed, even if his QB's skills are non-Mahomes skills. Also I think he would fail because...he is a dick.
Great point.

But it isn't easy. Trace had a fantastic running back and NFL calibre receivers. Allar will have a better OL, good RBs, good/great TEs, and a lot of question marks at WR.

I am not complaining about Trace as I loved him as a player. But was his scrapyness due to him or the players around him?

Trace's senior year we went 9-4 with losses to tOSU Sparty, Michigan, and Kentucky. Although it has to be pointed out that we had some awful injuries, especially on defense, that year. Trace:

192 for 361 attempts for a 53.2 completion percentage and 2530 yards. 18TD and 7 INTs. Many of his receivers were FR or Soph but they were good. (KJ Hammler, Friermuth, Juwan Johnson, Johan Dotson, Miles Sanders, and Deandre Thompkins were the leading receivers).
 
Great point.

But it isn't easy. Trace had a fantastic running back and NFL calibre receivers. Allar will have a better OL, good RBs, good/great TEs, and a lot of question marks at WR.

I am not complaining about Trace as I loved him as a player. But was his scrapyness due to him or the players around him?

Trace's senior year we went 9-4 with losses to tOSU Sparty, Michigan, and Kentucky. Although it has to be pointed out that we had some awful injuries, especially on defense, that year. Trace:

192 for 361 attempts for a 53.2 completion percentage and 2530 yards. 18TD and 7 INTs. Many of his receivers were FR or Soph but they were good. (KJ Hammler, Friermuth, Juwan Johnson, Johan Dotson, Miles Sanders, and Deandre Thompkins were the leading receivers)
All true. I DO think his scrappiness was a feature of him as a person, AND I think to some extent that is teachable in a way that throwing the ball behind your back, or throwing the perfect ball to a tall, jumping receiver, in the end zone, just above the reach or the DB, is not.
 
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All true. I DO think his scrappiness was a feature of him as a person, AND I think to some extent that is teachable in a way that throwing the ball behind your back, or throwing the perfect ball to a tall, jumping receiver, in the end zone, just above the reach or the DB, is not.
I like the hire. It is certainly worth a shot. I don't think McS has any real coaching experience but he seems to be a very good communicator and motivator. He can certainly empathize with what it is like to be a major college QB at PSU. So he has a lot going for him. This is the year. And Allar has all the tools to be the guy.
 
QBs are perfect. While there is this McSorley love fest, let's not forget that he threw some really bad INTs in the Rose Bowl against USC and also threw a really bad pick to lose the game against Pitt all while having the best RB in the history of Penn State football and several NFL quality WRs.

It is so funny how people choose to remember great players once they are gone.
He was a low star, white QB- some of our fans just can't help themselves.
 
All true. I DO think his scrappiness was a feature of him as a person, AND I think to some extent that is teachable in a way that throwing the ball behind your back, or throwing the perfect ball to a tall, jumping receiver, in the end zone, just above the reach or the DB, is not.

So you can teach scrappiness, but not how to throw the ball behind your back or how to throw a good pass? I think you have that reversed. Teaching someone who knows how to throw a football how to better throw a football is much easier than teaching them to have newly ingrained, nebulous personality traits.
 
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McSorley is a guy who has never coached before.

This may be a great hire, or it may be a terrible hire ... or somewhere in between. Not nearly enough information about it to get excited or angry.

Regardless, I think he was a Finance major, so glad to see he's putting that to good use.
 
McSorley is a guy who has never coached before.

This may be a great hire, or it may be a terrible hire ... or somewhere in between. Not nearly enough information about it to get excited or angry.

Regardless, I think he was a Finance major, so glad to see he's putting that to good use.
He is an analyst. Isn't that a different role from directly coaching?
 
Agreed.

And to win, you've got to take chances. For a QB, it is throwing into a tight window and letting your player make a play. Having too low of interceptions means you haven't been aggressive enough. Once, As my small company was being considered for acquisition, one of the board members asked how many outstanding lawsuits we had. We proudly said "zero". He laughed and said, "this is why this acquisition is good. You guys just weren't trying enough."

But having said all of that, McSorley made some bad decisions and bad throws. But everyone forgets that.
One of the major complaints about Allar as a sophomore was that he only threw if a WR was wide open. Now the complaint is that he's letting it fly. What do the whiners really want from a QB? You're not getting perfection. That's not attainable.
 
He is an analyst. Isn't that a different role from directly coaching?
Correct. If he is actually an analyst, for now, he won't even be directly coaching players.

Edit: That's misinformation ... the rules were changed in June of 2024 to allow a coaching free-for-all.
 
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So you can teach scrappiness, but not how to throw the ball behind your back or how to throw a good pass? I think you have that reversed. Teaching someone who knows how to throw a football how to better throw a football is much easier than teaching them to have newly ingrained, nebulous personality traits.
Yeah, I disagree. Examples of grit and determination can be impressed upon people who suffer from low confidence, or have had a recent run of tough luck, expecially when dealing with 18-22 year olds like CFB players. Scrappiness in sports can be taught, as it is mostly a kind of confidence. OTOH, if the person does not have the physical tools/ability to do the things you want them to do, you are wasting your time. Mahomes is both scrappy AND possessed of the tools. Allar has the tools. He needs confidence. Trace can coach it up.
 
Yeah, I disagree. Examples of grit and determination can be impressed upon people who suffer from low confidence, or have had a recent run of tough luck, expecially when dealing with 18-22 year olds like CFB players. Scrappiness in sports can be taught, as it is mostly a kind of confidence. OTOH, if the person does not have the physical tools/ability to do the things you want them to do, you are wasting your time. Mahomes is both scrappy AND possessed of the tools. Allar has the tools. He needs confidence. Trace can coach it up.
Allar doesn't lack confidence
 
QBs aren't perfect. While there is this McSorley love fest, let's not forget that he threw some really bad INTs in the Rose Bowl against USC and also threw a really bad pick to lose the game against Pitt all while having the best RB in the history of Penn State football and several NFL quality WRs.

It is so funny how people choose to remember great players once they are gone.
I agree, that said Trace IMO is a great addition to the staff. It's time to start grooming some Franklin guys to be coaches. To me Loyalty is a really big thing.
 
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