Trackwrestling on Nick Nevills/Anthony Cassar ??

[Sportfan2017]

On Trackwrestling's podcast "Weighing In".....David Mirikitani said that if Cassar decides not to come back ..that "Poor Penn State" will have to settle for Nevills coming back....Clearly referring to Nick Nevills….He further stated that if Cassar does return that Nick Nevills will be in the Transfer Portal. I know that Nick was injured most of the one year and wrestled in the Collegiate Open to get 5 matches in prior to Big 10s.....where he failed to advance to NCAAs and I was thinking that Nick might be eligible under the newer lax rules....but Mirikitani was talking as if Nick's 6th year was already decided and approved. Is this news that I am completely unaware of? Did Mirikitani just drop a bombshell? Did he somehow mix Nick and Seth up? Or is he just uninformed? He doesn't seem to be someone uninformed. Interesting

 

[LemonPie]

Nevills is done

Wrestled 3 postseasons and no injury this season.

 

[Sportfan2017]

Nevills is done

Wrestled 3 postseasons and no injury this season.

I would have thought the same thing.....but remember....Nick did not wrestle a dual meet all year ( I am pretty sure ) and has not wrestled since the Scuffle. Did he get hurt or... "hurt"... at the Scuffle. Prior to this year...wrestlers who got hurt at the Scuffle were given an extra year. Most are saying the "extra year" bar has been lowered this year.....so...I asked the question. I would not be totally surprised if Nick is granted an extra year.

 

[RoarLions1]

LP is right. But so we all understand your post, what are you implying with the hurt and “hurt” references?

 

[Jkos11]

Nick’s best chance was not taking the mat at the scuffle and using the surgery for a medical this year. That didn’t happen, Cassar won and then Anthony won a title so I guess worked out for the team Cassar but Nick lost in a gamble.

 

[lobo lion]

LP is right. But so we all understand your post, what are you implying with the hurt and “hurt” references?

Is the redshirt test different for wrestling than football? I thought that if you didn't wrestle in any NCAA matches (i.e., duals), you could take a redshirt for that season whether injured or not.

I'll add that I don't know if Nevills wrestled unattached at Keystone and the Scuffle, which may well impact the determination of whether he's entitled to claim a redshirt for this past season.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Nevills came in with Nolf and Nickal, he already redshirted his first year I believe.

 

[El-Jefe]

They probably confused the brothers.

Lots of folks here have done the same.

 

[Lyons212]

Is the redshirt test different for wrestling than football? I thought that if you didn't wrestle in any NCAA matches (i.e., duals), you could take a redshirt for that season whether injured or not.

I'll add that I don't know if Nevills wrestled unattached at Keystone and the Scuffle, which may well impact the determination of whether he's entitled to claim a redshirt for this past season.

Nick wrestled wearing a PSU singlet at both the Keystone and Scuffle. Matter of fact, the Keystone does not allow unattached wrestlers. Once you wrestle attached, it is a year of eligibility.

Unless the NCAA gets extremely liberal in their eligibility rulings, Nick is done.

 

[PSU_Pride_93]

LP is right. But so we all understand your post, what are you implying with the hurt and “hurt” references?

I agree that i think NN is done but i guess what i think sportsfan is saying that you bend the truth and say NN was hurt at the Scuffle and could not wrestle after that. It seems kind of in depth to go to that extent but i i am not in the coaches room or I’d have the right answer

 

[Gray52]

Nick wrestled wearing a PSU singlet at both the Keystone and Scuffle. Matter of fact, the Keystone does not allow unattached wrestlers. Once you wrestle attached, it is a year of eligibility.

Unless the NCAA gets extremely liberal in their eligibility rulings, Nick is done.

I believe that is true when considering a redshirt, but I don’t think that is accurate when determining a year of eligibility. I believe there is a threashold to determine if a year was lost due to injury. Something like 50% of scheduled competitions has been completed.

 

[Phantom of the Palestra]

You have to wonder at the loosening of restrictions. Maybe the NCAA is trying to improve the quality of their product with this. Possibly a reaction to the early loss of their best athletes to the pros in other (revenue) sports. If Nevills does get another year, then it represents a sea change to what they have been doing.

 

[RoarLions1]

I agree that i think NN is done but i guess what i think sportsfan is saying that you bend the truth and say NN was hurt at the Scuffle and could not wrestle after that. It seems kind of in depth to go to that extent but i i am not in the coaches room or I’d have the right answer

That was my guess, just wanted it clarified. And for anyone out there with half an ounce of principles, "bend the truth" isn't even on the radar. Generally speaking (i.e. not this case, but all cases), the evidence must support the waiver. The language used by the NCAA is "clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation...", which would show an inability to compete. Anything else is fraud.

 

[RoarLions1]

Is the redshirt test different for wrestling than football? I thought that if you didn't wrestle in any NCAA matches (i.e., duals), you could take a redshirt for that season whether injured or not.

I'll add that I don't know if Nevills wrestled unattached at Keystone and the Scuffle, which may well impact the determination of whether he's entitled to claim a redshirt for this past season.

The Hardship Waiver calculation is listed separately in the rulebook for Team Sports and Individual Sports, I know that...but don't remember the differences. Football is defined as a Team Sport, Wrestling an Individual Sport by the NCAA.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

That was my guess, just wanted it clarified. And for anyone out there with half an ounce of principles, "bend the truth" isn't even on the radar. Generally speaking (i.e. not this case, but all cases), the evidence must support the waiver. The language used by the NCAA is "clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation...", which would show an inability to compete. Anything else is fraud.

To sum up for everyone - Fraud is no bueno

 

[TangSoo]

Sorry, same subject, different wrestler. I don't care enough to start a thread on it. I've wondered about Suriano. It's obvious the Suriano's are adept at working the system. There was a transfer without sitting out a year within the Big Ten. Was some level of hardship determined? Is he a candidate for an extra year? And what's Iceland like this time of year?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Sorry, same subject, different wrestler. I don't care enough to start a thread on it. I've wondered about Suriano. It's obvious the Suriano's are adept at working the system. There was a transfer without sitting out a year within the Big Ten. Was some level of hardship determined? Is he a candidate for an extra year? And what's Iceland like this time of year?

Honestly, I think the NCAA is making it all up as they go along because they realize what an internally inconsistent house of cards they have constructed around university-based “Amateur Athletics”. Anyone with any sort of case or, failing that, anyone with even a crappy argument but ready to lawyer up, is going to cause the NCAA to fold on an issue.

 

[Sportfan2017]

LP is right. But so we all understand your post, what are you implying with the hurt and “hurt” references?

No bending of rules...….By hurt I mean you watched him crumple in pain and didn't see him on the mat again. The other hurt prevents one from wrestling at top efficiency and may not be clearly apparent. Further wrestling may make it worse. Everyone knew Nolf was hurt …. How many posters and wrestling "experts" thought Shak was "hurt"? Quite a few. Nick may have been in the second category.....Injured but not readily apparent. Of course there would need to be medical evidence to support said injury. All we know is that Nick never wrestled after the Scuffle. I am also pretty certain that there was never a hint of a wrestle-off after the Scuffle. Last year Shak and Cassar wrestled off after the Ohio State match. Just sayin'

 

[Dogwelder]

Honestly, I think the NCAA is making it all up as they go along because they realize what an internally inconsistent house of cards they have constructed around university-based “Amateur Athletics”. Anyone with any sort of case or, failing that, anyone with even a crappy argument but ready to lawyer up, is going to cause the NCAA to fold on an issue.

Yup. The NCAA does NOT want to go to court for any reason, for fear a judge will start tearing down their lucrative house of cards.

 

[McScoreley]

I haven't heard of Nick being remotely interested applying for a 6th year but wouldn't his appeal be similar to Shak's?

Don't know the exact details but I imagine Shak would be using 2017 as the year he lost to injury. He didn't wrestle the post season in 2016 cause he lost the spot to Geno but he wrestled the US Collegiate Championship so he was clearly healthy then. Then he wrestled in 2018 and 2019. His appeal would have to be based on his 2017 season where he won the Keystone Classic, lost to Presich then didn't wrestle again. He was 174 that year and our eventual 174 was the National Champ anyways.

There's no clear guidelines ultimately for it unless it's a case like Cassar where it's clearly open and close case. I suppose Nevills could argue he didn't wrestle opens after the Scuffle cause he wasn't 100% and wasn't able to compete for the spot legitimately.

Once again, all a moot point, have heard nothing about Nick intending to pursue another season.

 

[WreslingFan0314]

The Hardship Waiver calculation is listed separately in the rulebook for Team Sports and Individual Sports, I know that...but don't remember the differences. Football is defined as a Team Sport, Wrestling an Individual Sport by the NCAA.

I would submit the determination for Hardship Waivers, Not sitting out a year, extra year, etc (is that all the same) is now more based on whether an attorney is involved and representing the athlete or how much negative press may come out of a situation. The NCAA seems to want to be seen as pro-athlete more than ever and avoidance of negative publicity in that regard rules the day.

 

[matter7172]

No bending of rules...….By hurt I mean you watched him crumple in pain and didn't see him on the mat again.

I injured my knee really badly in a high school match and didn't know it until I woke up the next morning. Ligaments, tendons and cartilage were all damaged sufficiently that I was done for over a month. By my senior year of college I was told I was developing arthritis under the kneecap and had to stop wrestling for a couple of years.

Ashnault and Gravina are two examples of how "forgiving" the NCAA is these days.