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It'd be a tough line to draw, though. What level of cable TV is too much? If Penn State buys premium cable with HBO for the players' lounge in Lasch (which I'm nearly positive they do) and recruits watch TV in the lounge during an unofficial visit, is the HBO a violation?
As a point of trivia: both McCoy and Fitzgerald wanted to go to PSU. But it was an "academics" thing. I am not knocking PITT, it is an excellent school. BUT, for good or bad, many top players from Pennsylvania chose PITT because their "athlete" standards were not as high. Not every player wants to work at an education, not everyone really can. So, if you are a McCoy and just want to play football? Where can you "develop" to play at the next level, there are no minor leagues. Some schools, OSU, comes to mind, have a philosophy of OK, sure you can get an education if "you" want to, or just do enough to stay eligible and work on NFL plans.
I'm not so sure there is anything, given the way the NFL and NBA operate,wrong with that. Is it the kids fault?
see: Kentucky BB
I'm not so sure there is anything, given the way the NFL and NBA operate,wrong with that. Is it the kids fault?
see: Kentucky BB
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As a point of trivia: both McCoy and Fitzgerald wanted to go to PSU. But it as an "academics" thing. I am not knocking PITT, it is an excellent school. BUT, for good or bad, many top players from Pennsylvania chose PITT because their "athlete" standards were not as high. Not every player wants to work at an education, not everyone really can. So, if you are a McCoy and just want to play football? Where can you "develop" to play at the next level, there are no minor leagues. Some schools, OSU, comes to mind have a philosophy of OK, sure you can get an education if "you" want to, or just do enough to stay eligible and work on NFL plans.
I'm not so sure there is anything, given the way the NFL and NBA operate, is wrong with that. Is it the kids fault?
see: Kentucky BB
This is exactly why Pitt gets a few elite players over the years that go on to NFL success. But having one elite player does not make a good team. Hence Pitt's losing record in recent history.
The Pitt guys don't seem to know that we have more NFL guys than they do.
They have 765 national championships, and apparently 2398 current NFL players.
They have 765 national championships, and apparently 2398 current NFL players.
Lol...Please show me your evidence of reduced academic standards. You do know every school must follow the same standards per NCAA rule. If PSU goes above and beyond, please post the evidence. As for Fitz, his dad played a big part in his attending Pitt. He was friends with some NFL players who had nothing but high praise for Walt Harris. Shady went to Pitt because we didn't drop our interest in him like many of the schools after his injury. Players chose schools for many reasons. This notion that any kid who doesn't pick my school must be a moron needs to change. Wish them luck where ever they go and go out and get a better recruit.
From what I recall, McCoy chose Pitt because Wannstedt was one of the only coaches to continue to support and recruit him after his ankle injury. I believe Wannstedt also told Shady he would have a strong chance of being a starter in his first year, which he wanted because he wanted to declare for the draft after two years in school (with one year at prep school). I don't know if academics were involved, as that wasn't among the reasons I heard for Shady going to Pitt at the time. I do know that folks at Bishop McDevitt and in Harrisburg were not exactly pleased with Penn State in how McCoy's recruitment unfolded.
I don't know the reason why PSU backed off on McCoy, but they didn't just back off. They ran backwards, full-tilt. And yes, the McDevitt people were not happy with that, but instead of blaming McCoy they blamed the recruiters.
I'd hate to lose Sanders, but I honestly don't understand how some kids commit so early in the process. To each their own, but if I'm a 16/17 year old kid with my pick of schools, I'm going to take my visits if for no other reason that you get to see the country and experience some really unique atmospheres - regardless of whether you intend to go there or not. And it's easy for people to say don't waste the school's money to send you there to visit, but are you telling me (for example) if a company was recruiting you for a great position and a nice salary in - say - Hawaii and offered you all expenses paid to come out and see what they had to offer - never mind that you have no intention of moving your family to Hawaii from PA or wherever - that many wouldn't take the free trip and at least act interested?
I digress. I just look at Penn State's history with Woodland Hills kids and would not be the least but surprised if we lost him to Pitt or anyone else for that matter. When you're as good and as highly sought after as Sanders is, I don't know why the kid would commit unless he was 100% - that part is frustrating. It's not like a school wouldn't hold a scholie for him if he held out until signing day. Again, hope we keep him, but early verbals rarely get me too excited. Too much time left for the kids to change their mind, which they have every right to do and no one should begrudge them that.
One thing we can be sure of is that Bob Pompeani will be reporting/embellishing this with a gleam in his eyes very soon, if not tonight.
Make as many jokes about empty seats as you want, but Pitt has a much stronger history of putting backs in the NFL (two of the top 10 of all time in Dorsett and Curtis Martin, as well as a possible future HOF'er in Shady McCoy). Not to mention the ACC player of the year who could be a first round pick next year. Add that to the current offensive line that is very strong (one thing Chryst did well at Pitt) in comparison to a line at PSU that was decimated by sanctions. Once you get past who has more fans on Saturday which school makes more sense to you?
He may not end up at Pitt but when kids start taking visits to other schools chances are they are gone.
He may not end up at Pitt but when kids start taking visits to other schools chances are they are gone.
I think they commit early because they worry about (i) open spots filling up before they have an opportunity to explore all of their options, and (ii) losing offers / interest if they suffer an injury and / or don't perform as well in the following season. Also, it's important to note that football prospects are barred from taking officials (where the school pays for the trip) until their Sr. season -- which prevents kids with less resources / family commitment from fully exploring their options. While I understand why people dislike decommits, I understand why most of these kids approach their recruitment in the manner they do. For any individual prospect, the risks associated with waiting to make an informed choice are often too great to delay making an early commit -- even if that means going back on your word later in the process.
And nobody knows who any of those PSU players were. Im sure they werent running backs....We have 8 HOF to your 6....but who's counting.
YES, and you have 87 more National Championships too!
I will add that my post about numbers of NFL players was in response to your post which said "PSU is a great program but as far as NFL players go.....well....Pitt is it." Ummm, apparently if Pitt is "it", we are "IT".They need to have an early signing period..That would alleviate much of this spot holding\pilfering.
Lololol it does seem like that right? But no only 7 more than you.YES, and you have 87 more National Championships too!
No...I'm just trying to figure out what prevents PSU from having good RB'S in the NFL. Oh and QB....
How many of the coaches who worked with Dorsett, Curtis Martin, or Lesean McCoy are still at Pitt? Pitt has not finished a season in the AP top 10 since 1982, and has only one top 15 finish in that entire timeframe. What are we really talking about here? PSU today is not PSU of 1986, but common. Nobody is going to Pitt b/c it has more history of anything. It's a moribund program that hasn't been nationally relevant for 3 decades. If a kid commits to Pitt these days, it's b/c they (i) want immediate playing time and / or (ii) want to stay in the Pittsburgh area for personal reasons. That's really about it.
Mike White @mwhiteburgh 25m25 minutes ago
"He [Miles Sanders} wants to make some other visits to make sure he made the right decision," said coach Novak.
Guys seldom stick with their original commitment when this happens. Whether it means Pitt or not, who knows.
1 raleighpanther, Today at 12:17 PM
"He [Miles Sanders} wants to make some other visits to make sure he made the right decision," said coach Novak.
Guys seldom stick with their original commitment when this happens. Whether it means Pitt or not, who knows.
1 raleighpanther, Today at 12:17 PM
Woodland Hills coach George Novak met w/ Miles Sanders this a.m. Sanders said has not "de-committed" to PSU but wants to look other schools.
Or they prefer Pitt to other schools...or they like the coaches...or they like the connection with the Steelers..or they prefer the urban atmosphere.
What we are talking about are two middle of the road programs as currently constituted.
Pretty much every starting Pitt RB in the last 15 years has played in the NFL, irrespective of who the coach was. Strange, but true none the less.
Howie,
Pitt would straight up beat down PSU right now! Pitt's OL would maul & gash your front 7 & JC would be exerting his will on your beloved Lions... Then, for good measure, Tyler Boyd would make you realize how far Camelot has fallen
Big deal. Anyone with half of a brain knows to take a 17 year olds word with a giant grain of salt, especially this early in the process. I don't start following recruiting until at least September. By then kids are starting their senior year and their final season, and want to start wrapping things up for their future and their college choices. Until then, these kids could and definitely should visit every single school they possibly can. They and their parents are crazy not to.
If that means Miles is gone, then so be it. Good luck to the young man. Can't cry over something you never had anyway.
If that means Miles is gone, then so be it. Good luck to the young man. Can't cry over something you never had anyway.
Unfortunately, both Boyd and Connor will be gone when we next play. And of course, by then, our last two highly ranked recruiting classes will be ready to contribute, during which time you've recruited next to nobody.
So, you see, we're not intimidated.
So, you see, we're not intimidated.
Hehe. Thanks for the mid-day laugh. Just remember that the rest of world doesn't count anything before 1898.
I soooooo would love to see that match up... Proof on the field instead of just pompous proclamations & bluster from "James in State College"...
We would take your "We Are... Culture" coach & expose his bs for what it is...
Bottom Line: Pitt has awoken & under new leadership the likes we have not seen in decades. It will not get better for you on the recruiting trail... Just harder.
